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I agree, OP. I've always hated Hackett ever since that "negotiation" mission in ME1. People can talk him up all they like but he's still willing to do his own dirt and use Shepard "The Butcher of Torfan" when needed. The conversation after that mission let me know that Hackett is not someone I could ever trust as he would be willing to sell my ass down the river at a moment's notice. Mind you, my Shepard would do the same to him so it's not about crying foul. It's just something I hate about him and makes me not trust him.

Being forced to play as trusting him completely for a renegade is what sucks the most.

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Meh.

My major objection to Hackett's role in ME3 is the fact that he is giving orders in any form to a Council SpecTRe. Shepard is supposed to be outside of Alliance command structure. Technically, he/she should be issuing orders to Hackett.


Yeah, I was always hoping that the third game would bypass Alliance or Cerberus and have us in a more official relationship with the Council (ME1 was a bit Alliance centric in tone already.  Except for Virmire). Or if not that, some kind of Terminus/Omega alliance that builds up into a larger galactic alliance... but that's a far fetched dream. Nobody is cool enough to make a space pirate game, even though everyone keeps saying they want one. lol


New players couldn' relate


**** new players.

*Spoken like a true space pirate* :whistle:

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Hackett is a great character; a fantastic counter to Shepard.

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StreetMagic wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

NeroonWilliams wrote...

Meh.

My major objection to Hackett's role in ME3 is the fact that he is giving orders in any form to a Council SpecTRe. Shepard is supposed to be outside of Alliance command structure. Technically, he/she should be issuing orders to Hackett.


Yeah, I was always hoping that the third game would bypass Alliance or Cerberus and have us in a more official relationship with the Council (ME1 was a bit Alliance centric in tone already.  Except for Virmire). Or if not that, some kind of Terminus/Omega alliance that builds up into a larger galactic alliance... but that's a far fetched dream. Nobody is cool enough to make a space pirate game, even though everyone keeps saying they want one. lol


New players couldn' relate


**** new players.

*Spoken like a true space pirate* :whistle:


Now I'm thinking of a game with Aria and Space!Isabella from Dragon Age...

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The Council is less competent than the Alliance, and that's saying something. And to be technical, Udina, you know the Councilman, told Shepard to pretty much do whatever it took to get the Crucible built. That means following Hackett's orders.

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Hackett is Zaeed's brother. That explains the shadyness.

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eyezonlyii wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

eyezonlyii wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

NeroonWilliams wrote...

Meh.

My major objection to Hackett's role in ME3 is the fact that he is giving orders in any form to a Council SpecTRe. Shepard is supposed to be outside of Alliance command structure. Technically, he/she should be issuing orders to Hackett.


Yeah, I was always hoping that the third game would bypass Alliance or Cerberus and have us in a more official relationship with the Council (ME1 was a bit Alliance centric in tone already.  Except for Virmire). Or if not that, some kind of Terminus/Omega alliance that builds up into a larger galactic alliance... but that's a far fetched dream. Nobody is cool enough to make a space pirate game, even though everyone keeps saying they want one. lol


New players couldn' relate


**** new players.

*Spoken like a true space pirate* :whistle:


Now I'm thinking of a game with Aria and Space!Isabella from Dragon Age...


Now we're talking. Really of sick of all the boy scout stuff (at least for now). Can't wait for DAI. It's more open as far as the type of protagonists you can play.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 24 janvier 2014 - 12:58 .


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ME3 would have been awesome if Shepard had taken those Crucible plans and formed his own alliance with Aria outside of the Council & Alliance. Shepard was the one getting everyone together anyway and aided in gathering resources for the project. Why keep reporting to Hackett?

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I hate you op.

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RangerSG wrote...

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I find it pretty disturbing how almost all characters seem to be totally not bothered by Torfan.


Agreed. If shooting prisoners had clearly been part of the 'ruthless' background, I wouldn't have taken it. That's over any line. But you're not told about it until well after the fact, and never by an actual witness. So I can rationalize it as Batarian propaganda. 

Still, you'd think the squad would be constantly waiting for the other shoe to drop with a Ruthless Shepard, seeing as he's been willing to let his own die to do a job before. Not the ideal path to unit cohesion. 


I'm not sure if they were prisoners but they were trying to surrender. The thing is that it was a little late for that as Torfan was the last stage in a long conflict with batarian slavers. Shepard probably just had enough at this point and they were hardly innocent.

What I like about the ruthless background is how it puts Shepard in such a gray light. Going miles underground to end slavers in close quarters and coming out alive is damn impressive, but the average citizen will only know of the massacre that ensued to stop those slavers from hurting anyone.

It goes well with my Shepard's decision to focus on Sovereign which led to the council's death. Shepard is again seen in a gray light by the other species because the council covers up the reaper threat which makes it simply look like Shepard just didn't want to sacrifice human lives to save the destiny ascension when the truth is that if Sovereign succeeded then the whole galaxy would have been doomed. Throwing resources to save the ascension would be kind of stupid. It makes ruthless Shepard with renegade choices look like an under-appreciated hero.


Codex says they had surrendered. Unless you can headcanon something that they played dirty tricks after surrendering. *shrug* It's a fluff line, so anything's possible. But ruthless Shepard has pretty much committed murder and gotten away with it on multiple occasions. That would not endear that origin to the military brass...even when they need the PC.


"It's not murder; it's justice." At least that's what I picture Shepard saying as she executes them. What codex are you talking about? In ME1 I didn't see any mention of surrendering slavers although Emily Wong mentions it once.

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ME3 would have been awesome if Shepard had taken those Crucible plans and formed his own alliance with Aria outside of the Council & Alliance. Shepard was the one getting everyone together anyway and aided in gathering resources for the project. Why keep reporting to Hackett?


I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would want Liara in that game still too.. even if I'm not the biggest fan. She'd have a much cooler role at least.


They built up dozens of cool world elements in ME2 (especially the crew), only to toss it away and make an Alliance heavy game again.

Modifié par StreetMagic, 24 janvier 2014 - 01:02 .


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Hackett is like the granddaddy we all heard of but never got to have a drink and cigar with,.....reall thats just me.nah hes awesome

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StreetMagic wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

ME3 would have been awesome if Shepard had taken those Crucible plans and formed his own alliance with Aria outside of the Council & Alliance. Shepard was the one getting everyone together anyway and aided in gathering resources for the project. Why keep reporting to Hackett?


I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would want Liara in that game still too.. even if I'm not the biggest fan. She'd have a much cooler role at least.


They built up dozens of cool world elements in ME2 (especially the crew), only to toss it away and make an Alliance heavy game again.


I vote for this. With Charn (ENG), Toombs (VAN), Shiala (INF), Wreave (SOL), Jack (ADT),  Nyreen (SENT) plus some DLC characters or something...

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I don't hate Hackett. In fact, I really like him.

However, I do find a few elements of him to be a bit shady. Every one of those elements has good reasoning behind it though.

Works well enough for ME1-3.

But yes, Shepard is probably more of a tool to him than anything else. Funny enough, I think TIM is being more bluntly honest (in ME3, once the charade is dropped) about that than Hackett/Anderson :)

Modifié par SwobyJ, 24 janvier 2014 - 01:35 .


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Yes, I totally hate that Hackett guy!

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The only good thing about Hackett is his VA Lance Hendriksen

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And as far as attempting to warn the colony? The com towers were down. How the f*** does Hackett know that Shepard didn't warn the colony? Oh yeah, Shepard has a little black mark on her forehead that only Hackett can see. It's stupid. Hackett, go send in the 103rd Marines, I'm busy. "But if they see a squad of armed marines, they'll kill Kenson."

"I said, I'm busy."

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The only good thing about Hackett is his VA Lance Hendriksen


Well, that, and he's pretty much a Yes Man, despite people here saying we're tools. At least he doesn't get in my way or anything. Kind of like Garrus. Cure the Genophage? Yay! Sabotage it? Cool!  Free the rachni? Good for you. Kill them? No prob.

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Hackett is kinda alright, unorthodox but gets the job done thats how his character was portrayed i believe. in me3 or before that he was willing to cooperate with liara in a gamble that they may find a way to defeat the reapers in prothean archives.

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I never liked him.

It's mainly the voice.  Lance Henrikson's voice does not do well for a commander role, he's too low and more monotone.  Imagine him ordering a charge, by nature the man would sound droll and half asleep.
Better would have been Paul Dobson for example (Gabriel Angelos in Dawn of War 1 and 2),examples here and here).  That's the kind of voice where when the man speaks you tend to listen.

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I really like Hackett. I saw him as a badass when he told Shepard why he was chosen for. Though I would have liked to hear about which wars he fought, his involvement in the First Contact War or how he got that scar.

Mac Walters handed his dialogue pretty well in my opinion.

Not to mention he was born in the same country I grew up so... more reason to like him!

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Petrovsky > Hackett.

I liked Hackett when he was giving me Black Ops, not when he's the idiotic commander of the Coalition.

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I have mixed feelings about Hackett. Sure he can come across as a bit of a jacka** but he helped Shepard in more ways than the Council.

His hypocracy during Arrival got to me though. "Commander, You can't send in a whole squad. You need to do this alone. If you disagree then don't bother helping" Then what happens...."Shepard I sent in the 103 to do the mission." ummm really Hackett? Why not send in 1 or 2 highly trained operatives like a Corsair or event Williams/Alenko? That mission was easy enough for Kaidan.

I do like Hackett's speech even though it should have been on his ship.

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Hackett is my favorite person in the Alliance. Well, he is tied with Anderson.

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Well he didnt try to blow me up so he is "meh".

All leaders in ME suck and are dumb IMHO.