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Does anyone else hate Admiral Hackett?


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We should just rat him out that he gave us the order to go into the Bahak System and blow it up!

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I think Hackett's biggest problem is that often the only times we ever see him is when the plot gets all clunky.

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Hackett was great in ME, however from ME2 and on he became utter crap. O blame the face(that also looks way too much like Zaeed)

Modifié par Mr.House, 24 janvier 2014 - 05:27 .


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Mr.House wrote...

Hackett was great in ME, however from ME2 and on he became utter crap. O blame the face(that also looks way too much like Zaeed)


Because it IS his face.

Modifié par Seboist, 24 janvier 2014 - 05:52 .


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StreetMagic wrote...

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ME3 would have been awesome if Shepard had taken those Crucible plans and formed his own alliance with Aria outside of the Council & Alliance. Shepard was the one getting everyone together anyway and aided in gathering resources for the project. Why keep reporting to Hackett?


I can't believe I'm saying this, but I would want Liara in that game still too.. even if I'm not the biggest fan. She'd have a much cooler role at least.


They built up dozens of cool world elements in ME2 (especially the crew), only to toss it away and make an Alliance heavy game again.


I agree, it sucks but I don't see how he would be able to do it without Liara and at least her Shadow Broker skills and agents would be of real use and it would make sense for her to be on the ship.

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Hate is a pretty strong word for someone who just generally gives you stuff to do and always has your back. Hate is a word I'd reserve for Udina, or Delusive Man, or getting up in the morning.

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Hackett is very well written. For a series that occasionally fumbles badly when depicting military rank structure, he speaks and acts like a senior flag officer. With Henricksen playing him, Hackett could pretty much announce he was personally going to jump out an airlock and take on the Reapers in hand-to-hand combat and I'd take his word for it.

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I never liked him.

It's mainly the voice. Lance Henrikson's voice does not do well for a commander role, he's too low and more monotone. Imagine him ordering a charge, by nature the man would sound droll and half asleep.
Better would have been Paul Dobson for example (Gabriel Angelos in Dawn of War 1 and 2),examples here and here). That's the kind of voice where when the man speaks you tend to listen.


Hackett is a naval officer. While I realize the Alliance military is some amalgam of navy and marine ranks (which still confuses me), he's commanding multiple fleets of warships. As long as you speak clearly into a radio (or insert comm equipment here), there's no need to yell in that line of work. Henriksen sounds like he spent a lot of money on Camel Wide Unflitereds over the years, so while he does not sound like, say, a USMC officer, Hackett certainly sounds like he was directing people on a battlefield at some point during his career.

As for people second-guessing Hackett, the guy is among the most senior officers (possibly the most senior after the stomping of Vancouver) in the Alliance and likely has to spend significant amounts of time either (a) trying to cooperate with the multiple factions making up the anti-Reaper coalition or (B) trying to mitigate the galactic catastrophe caused by the invasion of ludicrously powerful mecha-Cthulhu. Between that and the fact that he probably spent the first half of ME3 putting up with crank calls from Udina, I'd cut him some slack.

Modifié par Monty Hall, 24 janvier 2014 - 10:33 .


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I would have liked the option to tell him to sod off in Arrival and have this reflected in me3. No I did not want him on the Normandy giving that speech.
Also I never understood, in that first communication, why he did not give shepard a heads up about cerberus being interested in what liara was investigating. Instead he spent precious minutes waffling on about the reapers not being able to be beaten conventionally. All he had to say was "Liara has been running into Cerberus so be on your guard"
I guess if he had said something though, Kaidan and Ashley would not have been quite so suspicious then we wouldn't have had all that lovely drama.
I don't actually dislike him but I did not like being made to be deferential to him.

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Lhawke wrote...


I don't actually dislike him but I did not like being made to be deferential to him.


ME3 is all about forced deference. They even want to you feel guilty about refusing shady orders from Turian generals.

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Lhawke wrote...

I don't actually dislike him but I did not like being made to be deferential to him.



He's your superior officer ofcourse you'll be deferential to him. This complaint makes no sense. 

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Daemul wrote...

Lhawke wrote...

I don't actually dislike him but I did not like being made to be deferential to him.



He's your superior officer ofcourse you'll be deferential to him. This complaint makes no sense. 




LHawke is just talking about roleplaying options.

It worked in ME1. You could talk to Alliance superiors in various ways or reject their orders at times (such as Hackett's requests or that dude who shows up on the Citadel docks). ME3 tries to be more cinematic and autodialogue-y. Sometimes it's an RPG, sometimes it's a railroaded action adventure game. There's nothing wrong with that - thousands of games are this way. It's just harder to adjust to when you've been endowed with more options before.

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On another note, what's funny is if you get the special Paragon quest where he asks to take care of some biotic extremists, and then screw it up and go Renegade on it. He's so disappointed.

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Daemul wrote...

Lhawke wrote...

I don't actually dislike him but I did not like being made to be deferential to him.



He's your superior officer ofcourse you'll be deferential to him. This complaint makes no sense. 




Except for the fact that Shepard is a SPECTRE.  They were played up so much in ME1, but Shepard just kinda "falls in line" in ME3 with the following of orders even though his/her status is outside of the chain of command.

So respect?  Yes. (or no)
But deferential?  I don't think so.

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NeroonWilliams wrote...

Meh.

My major objection to Hackett's role in ME3 is the fact that he is giving orders in any form to a Council SpecTRe. Shepard is supposed to be outside of Alliance command structure. Technically, he/she should be issuing orders to Hackett.


Shepard didn't officialy resign so Hackett is trying to use that resource. You don't have to do Hackets missions, if you don't go there then he wont ask.

However, if he has a problem and sees Shepard who's still an N7 but with Spectre authority then he will try to ask for a favor.

Also Hackett is said to be one of those who worked his way to the top through work and dedication which eventualy earned him his rank. I'm pretty sure he didn't earn his rank by not trying to solve security issues any way possible.
The fact that Hackett is the one contacting you shows you that he is one of those people who are very dedicated to his job. If you don't do it then he would probably send someone else, but he asked because he noticed you happend to be in the area which would spare him assets that could be assigned elsewhere.

He never forced Shepard to do anything, in most cases it seemed like the right thing to do however.

Nevermind the fact that Shepard could loot the pirates or criminals and become a milionaire in ME1. It was also good training to prepare Shepard for the confrontation with Saren's lackeys.

Modifié par shodiswe, 24 janvier 2014 - 01:33 .


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General TSAR wrote...

Petrovsky > Hackett.

I liked Hackett when he was giving me Black Ops, not when he's the idiotic commander of the Coalition.


No, God, no. Unless you compare

Petrovsky(COMICS)>Hackett

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MegaIllusiveMan wrote...

General TSAR wrote...

Petrovsky > Hackett.

I liked Hackett when he was giving me Black Ops, not when he's the idiotic commander of the Coalition.


No, God, no. Unless you compare

Petrovsky(COMICS)>Hackett


Petrovsky in the comics is even more annoying. Just seems like one of those war nerds who quotes from history too much.

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I love Hackett... because I love Lance. I keep expecting him to say, "Not bad... for a human."

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StreetMagic wrote...

On another note, what's funny is if you get the special Paragon quest where he asks to take care of some biotic extremists, and then screw it up and go Renegade on it. He's so disappointed.


Hey look at it this way. If he was disappointed, then he had assumed that Shepard was competent enough to strike the extremists without innocent casualties.

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KaiserShep wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

On another note, what's funny is if you get the special Paragon quest where he asks to take care of some biotic extremists, and then screw it up and go Renegade on it. He's so disappointed.


Hey look at it this way. If he was disappointed, then he had assumed that Shepard was competent enough to strike the extremists without innocent casualties.


Well, that's what funny about it. You get awarded that quest if you're high Paragon and already show you go out of your way for stuff like that. So to screw it up at that point... well, even Hackett knows something is fishy about it.

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RangerSG wrote...
Also, it's intimated that at Torfan Shep didn't just commit to a brutal, get-the-job-done no matter the cost engagement. It's said more than once Shepard gunned down prisoners there. So yeah, a by-the-book Admiral might very well have a jaundiced view to someone who essentially committed murder and got away with it because of the court of public opinion.


Who else says that besides Emily Wong?

The Torfan backstory wasn't handled very well, IMO. The only conclusion I can reach based on the games is that a lot of people don't know the details of what happened there other than that Shepard was commanding a squad that lost a lot of people and killed all the slavers. Most of the characters, when it comes up, just refer to it in generic terms about being a particularly grim and bloody situation - Nihlus, Joker, and Ashley all do this IIRC. I could see someone like that getting an N7 commission and a Spectre nomination, but I have a harder time imagining it for someone who's a full-blown war criminal.

For my one Ruthless Shepard, I just went with the assumption that it was a false rumor that Wong had picked up somewhere. Even *Balak* doesn't directly accuse Shepard of murder when Torfan comes up in BDTS.

 

EDIT: On a recent run through BDTS with a Ruthless Shep, Balak says something about "innocent batarians" dying on Torfan, but he doesn't specifically say that someone was killed after surrendering.



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I don't like or dislike him. He's just boring in my opinion.

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shodiswe wrote...

NeroonWilliams wrote...

Meh.

My major objection to Hackett's role in ME3 is the fact that he is giving orders in any form to a Council SpecTRe. Shepard is supposed to be outside of Alliance command structure. Technically, he/she should be issuing orders to Hackett.


Shepard didn't officialy resign so Hackett is trying to use that resource. You don't have to do Hackets missions, if you don't go there then he wont ask.

However, if he has a problem and sees Shepard who's still an N7 but with Spectre authority then he will try to ask for a favor.

Also Hackett is said to be one of those who worked his way to the top through work and dedication which eventualy earned him his rank. I'm pretty sure he didn't earn his rank by not trying to solve security issues any way possible.
The fact that Hackett is the one contacting you shows you that he is one of those people who are very dedicated to his job. If you don't do it then he would probably send someone else, but he asked because he noticed you happend to be in the area which would spare him assets that could be assigned elsewhere.

He never forced Shepard to do anything, in most cases it seemed like the right thing to do however.

Nevermind the fact that Shepard could loot the pirates or criminals and become a milionaire in ME1. It was also good training to prepare Shepard for the confrontation with Saren's lackeys.


Don't get me wrong.  Hackett is a total badass, and he has the respect of every one of the Shepards I have played.  I just wish that BW made it clear that Shepard is his/her own agent and not under the command of the Alliance.

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I don't hate Hackett. In fact, I really like him.

However, I do find a few elements of him to be a bit shady. Every one of those elements has good reasoning behind it though.

Works well enough for ME1-3.

But yes, Shepard is probably more of a tool to him than anything else. Funny enough, I think TIM is being more bluntly honest (in ME3, once the charade is dropped) about that than Hackett/Anderson :)


For the record, I don't think Hackett is a bad character for the series. I just really don't like him.

And that's just it. Hackett simply sees Shepard as a tool and yet Shepard is always doing him favors. What does Hackett give in return? He holds off tipping off the batarians that Shepard "acted alone" in Arrival? As I said, he backstabs my Shepard several times in small and big ways.

About TIM; he sees Shepard as a tool just as much as Hackett but at least gives Shepard some appreciation. Maybe it's because I'm not in the military but I feel people need appreciation. It's an emotional need. Hackett is the opposite of someone like Liara or Chakwas.

Modifié par congokong, 24 janvier 2014 - 06:19 .


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congokong wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

I don't hate Hackett. In fact, I really like him.

However, I do find a few elements of him to be a bit shady. Every one of those elements has good reasoning behind it though.

Works well enough for ME1-3.

But yes, Shepard is probably more of a tool to him than anything else. Funny enough, I think TIM is being more bluntly honest (in ME3, once the charade is dropped) about that than Hackett/Anderson :)


For the record, I don't think Hackett is a bad character for the series. I just really don't like him.

And that's just it. Hackett simply sees Shepard as a tool and yet Shepard is always doing him favors. What does Hackett give in return? He holds off tipping off the batarians that Shepard "acted alone" in Arrival? As I said, he backstabs my Shepard several times in small and big ways.

About TIM; he sees Shepard as a tool just as much as Hackett but at least gives Shepard some appreciation. Maybe it's because I'm not in the military but I feel people need appreciation. It's an emotional need. Hackett is the opposite of someone like Liara or Chakwas.


Shepard knew what the price for discovery would be, Shepard could decline taking the mission and blame if the Batarians learned of the human involvement.

Shepard chooses to bear the burden of that mission, it's not something you have to do.
It's not a stab in the back if you have been told what will happen beforehand if you are discovered and how sensitive it is.
Your choice, there is no backstabbing you were told what was involved beforehand.

If you refuse Hacket sends a squad of marines instead that suceeds with the mission, but they die in the process.

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He does fit right in the Mass Effect tradition of incompetent military commanders.