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[Agelico]

Here's a preview chapter: http://www.amazon.co...ader_0765331187

[JeffZero]

I totally just shoved a textbook out of its hotly-contested territory on my bookshelf to make room for this. Yay for paper.

[azarhal]

Didn't he also try to imprison Wynne in Asunder because she wouldn't help him against Celene? I don't know since I didn't actually read Asunder. I get the feeling he's either going to be Loghain esque or be like the Bhelen/Harrowmont decision I.e. the bad guy but with the most progressive stance. Idk though. 

 

Celene is already the progressive one. She changed Orlais and moved it away from its Imperialist roots (aka invading other countries, elves no better than slaves, etc), gave more freedom to the elves and created an University not under Chantry control (they didn't like it). She even gained her throne in a similar fashion to what Bhelen attempted.

 

Gaspard wants Orlais to go back to said Imperialist roots.

[Wulfram]

That preview contains more than a chapter.  It seems to go to page 276, with some odd random exclusions.  I stopped reading after the 1st chapter to avoid spoiling - though just glancing at the first paragraph of the second gives some interesting information on the Dales.

 

A few observations:

The map seems to show Arlesans as a city, where other maps make it look more like a region - and the name seems more like a region to me

Whether the HoF annulled the tower in Origins is avoided

It's implied that Marjolaine was killed.  Though it could perhaps have been on a later occasion, or Celene could have been wrongly informed.

[Xilizhra]

I await the resolution of the Celene/Briala issue with bated breath.

[themageguy]

Yay it has a certain type of character I wanted to see in it.
Yay!

However I can only get up to page 30.......

[azarhal]

 

It's implied that Marjolaine was killed.  Though it could perhaps have been on a later occasion, or Celene could have been wrongly informed.

 

The novels have a fixed canon.
 

[Wulfram]

The novels have a fixed canon.
 

 

They do for some things, but other things they obviously try to avoid specifying.  They're obviously talking around who exactly the Hero of Fereldan is, and precisely what they decided at the Circle of Magi, for example.  I found it interesting that this was one point where they decided to be specific.

[themageguy]

I wish I could read up to page 276...

[Wulfram]

Yay it has a certain type of character I wanted to see in it.
Yay!

However I can only get up to page 30.......

 

You need to sign in to an amazon account to see more

[keightdee]

It wasn't until I was on page 70 that I realized the "preview" is almost the entire book with some key, plotty pages missing. Don't make my mistake! Wait for the real thing!

 

For the curious: it's standard Patrick-writing, which means the dialogue is exceptional and the descriptions are serviceable. It's going to be great.

[keightdee]

However I can only get up to page 30.......

 Weird, I could scroll all the way to page 320. That might have been a mistake on Tor's part.

 

When I worked for a tech book publisher I had to upload excerpts from our titles pretty frequently. Amazon takes whatever you give them, then removes pages as they see fit before putting it on the title's listing page. A larger publisher like Tor might have more power when interacting with Amazon, but for us it was always like tossing a lit match off a cliff--you'd probably see something, but it's clear there's a whole lot more going on that you won't be made aware of.

 

Publishing!

[Wulfram]

 Weird, I could scroll all the way to page 320. That might have been a mistake on Tor's part.

 

The 30 page limit applies if you're not logged in.

 

But I do wonder if there's a mistake here.  I'm certainly not too keen on how they've done it - there's likely to be masses of spoilers on the forums, but no satisfying way to actually read the book through properly.

[azarhal]

The 30 page limit applies if you're not logged in.

 

But I do wonder if there's a mistake here.  I'm certainly not too keen on how they've done it - there's likely to be masses of spoilers on the forums, but no satisfying way to actually read the book through properly.

 

Recent Amazon book previews I've read are all like that. They pick a range of pages you can read, sometimes with big jumps in-between them and you get almost all the book if you have an account. I try to stop after the first chapter or so myself.

[Reznore57]

There's some very small thing about Vivienne.

Celene knows Madame de Fer.

 

I couldn't be bothered to read all the pages...Lots of new characters.

Noticed a few nice cameo , and same as D. Gaider , it seems Mr Weekes tried to remain pretty vague about the Warden choices.

[FireAndBlood]

I signed in and I still can't get past page 30.

[Aimi]

Celene is already the progressive one. She changed Orlais and moved it away from its Imperialist roots (aka invading other countries, elves no better than slaves, etc), gave more freedom to the elves and created an University not under Chantry control (they didn't like it). She even gained her throne in a similar fashion to what Bhelen attempted.

 

Gaspard wants Orlais to go back to said Imperialist roots.

 

That depends on a definition of "progressive" that not everyone would, necessarily, hold. For example, "progressive imperialism" is totally a thing.

[MisterJB]

From what little I've read, I like Celene's stance on commoners' admittance into the university.

On the other hand, I am unsure how free of Chantry influence are the studies in said university. The landscape is dominated by a Chantry, there is an enormous mural of Andraste, one of the subjects proposed by the Chancelier was a study on the inferiority of Qunari society and he mentioned the Maker at least once.

Of course, these could all simply be quirks of a culture dominated by religion and they don't necessarely imply there is direct interference from the Chantry,

[Quill74Pen]

I await the resolution of the Celene/Briala issue with bated breath.

 

Yes! Someone used the word "bated" in a proper manner! I love this world! I love humanity!! I go overboard sometimes!!!

[JeffZero]

"!!!!"

Seemed the logical continuation.

[Wulfram]

I am not familiar with Amazon myself. How would someone who has an account go about reading the preview beyond the scene where Celene is having a discussion with the university chancelier?

 

I think I just signed in and then travelled to/refreshed the page until it recognised me as signed in.

 

Hmm, I just looked and is it just me or have they disabled the look inside option?  Just got the excerpt in the "editorial reviews" section.  Maybe the more extensive access was an oversight that they've fixed.

 

From what little I've read, I like Celene's stance on commoners' admittance into the university.

On the other hand, I am unsure how free of Chantry influence are the studies in said university. The landscape is dominated by a Chantry, there is an enormous mural of Andraste, one of the subjects proposed by the Chancelier was a study on the inferiority of Qunari society and he mentioned the Maker at least once.

Of course, these could all simply be quirks of a culture dominated by religion and they don't necessarely imply there is direct interference from the Chantry,

 

I'd say they could well be just cultural influences, yeah.  Thinking your society is superior is more or less the norm for any culture, I think, anyway.  Particularly for a nation that's been one of the top two great powers of the known world for a millenium - and if recent events have dented their confidence, that's even more reason for their scholars to be talking about how everyone else sucks.  And God only knows how many religious references turn up in my speech despite being a 3rd generation atheist.
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How truly independent the university is of the Chantry would be would probably ultimately depend on whether they've got imperial support, I guess.  As a rule the ruler would probably appreciate a secular intellectual counterbalance to the Chantry, but if they go too far in questioning the faith they'd probably get slapped down.

[leaguer of one]

 

On the other hand, I am unsure how free of Chantry influence are the studies in said university. The landscape is dominated by a Chantry, there is an enormous mural of Andraste, one of the subjects proposed by the Chancelier was a study on the inferiority of Qunari society and he mentioned the Maker at least once.

Of course, these could all simply be quirks of a culture dominated by religion and they don't necessarely imply there is direct interference from the Chantry,

Do you know how many time's I argued about this when people takes the world of thedus as Law on the happenings of events?

[leaguer of one]

I am not familiar with Amazon myself. How would someone who has an account go about reading the preview beyond the scene where Celene is having a discussion with the university chancelier?

You see the pic of the book on the left hand side that says" sees what's inside"?

 

Click it then scroll down.

[MisterJB]

Thank you. Unfortunately, it has been disabled.

 

edit: To anyone who did read the spoilers, mind telling us why this elven mage, Felassan, is being hyped to Flemeth levels?