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Dragon Age: The Masked Empire [beware of spoilers]


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He was killed in the real world, we couldn't see or hear the person who killed him. There was no great scene change during his sequence at the end, and he scoffs at putting up defensive runes knowing that they would do nothing to protect himself from the person who was using him.

 

It seems his killer might be the same as Ishmael that we saw and Felassan might have been the sole survivor like the elf girl.

 

 

nope. It's pretty clear it was the BIG BAD, not some random person in the real world. The BIG BAD comes closer to him and then kills him. He puts the herbs in the fire which transport him into the fade to talk to the BIG BAD. 


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Just got done reading:

 

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Just got done reading:

 

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Whilst I liked it, (my favourite parts were about 'the game' but to each is own) have to agree with a lot of points raised in your review, like Gaspard, and found it bizarre what info Briala did and somehow did not know.

 

Throughout the book I kept on thinking that "The Game" was a completely idiotic way of running an empire, It sort of happens on its own for the most part anyways.  To officially ingrain a systematic method of killing off your nobility would only lead to a crippled upper tier of the state.  The fact that the empire has erupted into civil war, and has lost many of it's territory isn't exactly surprising when the people with power grow up being taught to kill each other.  If the winner doesn't turn out to be whoever says "screw this" and not play the game I will be surprised.

 

I too found this a little unconvincing. After all they'd been through, I don't think Celene would've actually cared at all that he wasn't really a nobleman. I mean, she sacrificed herself for him in battle... You're beyond caring about someone's origin at that point, you value the person.

So, yes, Michel was at a crossroad, but choosing to honor Briala's promise instead of his oath to Celene seemed a little out of place - or  forced, even. Or maybe it's not; he chose, and he can be mistaken in his decision. Could go either way: as a flaw in character development or as a flawed character.

 

I didn't actually think about it too much before reading this thread but I don't think it was odd in the end. His oath to Briala was to honour one favour, "you will do it for me, whatever it is".  I think that includes breaking any oath he had made previously seeing as she was basically telling him the favour wasn't specifically to stop fighting, it was to break his oath to Celene which he ended up paying by becoming for lack of a European word "ronin".  Certainly a hard choice given the situation but by that point I think he had seen how Gaspard had kept his honour above everything, even when it would have benefited his fight against Celene and he saw that his promise to Briala was just as important as being champion to Celene. His outing himself was his way of saving face in front of Celene, by admitting his heritage he was no longer strictly a chevalier and thus no longer the champion.  Also lets not forget that loyalty to one's soverign doesn't exactly mean much in Orlais.



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Just finished reading.

 

I felt like the book had a slow start, but that could have been me just not being that interested in hearing about how the 'Game' in Orlais works and all that. Them calling it 'Game' and being all 'ooh, he's not good at the game' etc, felt a bit silly to me. It's just politics with a different word. The story definitely picks up in the later chapters though once it gets to the main plot, and it turned out to be quite an enjoyable read. It is a big tease though, and nothing really gets resolved, unfortunately. Thankfully I still have 'The Calling' to read until DA:I.

 

 

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Felassan was the only one who knew that smashing the stones would free Imshael instead of killing him. He's the only one who bears responsibility for making a choice to let the Dalish clan be all murdered.



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Felassan was the only one who knew that smashing the stones would free Imshael instead of killing him. He's the only one who bears responsibility for making a choice to let the Dalish clan be all murdered.

 

How? Felassan withheld information, or at least didn't have the time to warn Michel (since he didn't know what Michel would do), but the decision to let the clan die was the whole group's decision. Briala or anyone else could have tried to stop the demon or get the rest to help, and they walked away and simply said 'it's their fault, let them deal with it'. Briala claims she wants to help elves, but she somehow didn't think twice about letting a whole clan of them die. I think she might have the whole 'elves are lesser' mindset rooted in her brain more than she thinks.



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How? Felassan withheld information, or at least didn't have the time to warn Michel (since he didn't know what Michel would do), but the decision to let the clan die was the whole group's decision. Briala or anyone else could have tried to stop the demon or get the rest to help, and they walked away and simply said 'it's their fault, let them deal with it'. Briala claims she wants to help elves, but she somehow didn't think twice about letting a whole clan of them die. I think she might have the whole 'elves are lesser' mindset rooted in her brain more than she thinks.

I'm going to say this frankly... Just because they are elven does not make them her people. Anyone trap in the concept of racial divide need to learn that lesson and I'm glad she did. Most of the dalish don't care about city elves. Saying they are the same people is like say Navarrans are the same people as Feraldens. The dalish clan they met were a hindrance to their objective. it make no sense to go back and help the people who not only captured you but are planning to kill you. You going back the help them has no guarantee they will help you afterwards.

 But I can't blame Michel for the Demons release nor Felassan. Michel did not know the results of his actions and Felassan had no way to know what Michel would do.


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I didn't actually think about it too much before reading this thread but I don't think it was odd in the end. His oath to Briala was to honour one favour, "you will do it for me, whatever it is".  I think that includes breaking any oath he had made previously seeing as she was basically telling him the favour wasn't specifically to stop fighting, it was to break his oath to Celene which he ended up paying by becoming for lack of a European word "ronin". 

 

I understood it that way too. Chevalier honor looks like a complicated thing, but it's pretty clear that the moment of truth was when Briala offered her deal. Michel had the option to refuse it and have the truth be known by everyone. He took the deal with the intention of fulfilling his word as a chevalier. Of course, he couldn't know that it would mean betraying Celene (by that time, Briala was one of her most trusted servants), but the possibility was always there.

 

That previous oaths to Celene should have mattered more is a question for the time he accepted the deal, not for the time Briala told him to surrender. He made his choice.



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How? Felassan withheld information, or at least didn't have the time to warn Michel (since he didn't know what Michel would do), but the decision to let the clan die was the whole group's decision. Briala or anyone else could have tried to stop the demon or get the rest to help, and they walked away and simply said 'it's their fault, let them deal with it'. Briala claims she wants to help elves, but she somehow didn't think twice about letting a whole clan of them die. I think she might have the whole 'elves are lesser' mindset rooted in her brain more than she thinks.

 

Felassan knew what the spirit trap was. He had plenty of time to warn Michel that destroying it would free Imshael. Afterward though, they could not have saved the clan. Imshael was too powerful and would have just killed them as well. The only way to save them was not releasing the demon, and Felassan didn't seem to care after Michel accidentally let him out. The other three were more concerned.


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http://forum.bioware...sion-let-it-go/

My song for Gaspard.



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I finally had time to sit down and read Masked Empire. Like Asunder, it was a good story and an excellent addition to the lore, wetting my appetite for Inquisition. It seems likely that the Orlesian civil war will be one of the main conflicts that our Inquisitor is thrown into. I enjoyed all the main characters, for their merits as well as their faults, though Michael's personal struggle was the one that really touched me. Felassan and Imshael had the best interactions though. I love snark! 

 

As for the additions to the lore in the novel, 

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I recently finished the book myself, and it was a great read.  I think that the first part confirmed what I, and most everybody, assumed, which is that we would like Celene and Brie, and dislike Gaspard.  However the rest of the book slowly turned that upside down, as we learned more about the characters.  Celene was absolutely ruthless in that she would say or do anything to maintain power, she seemed to love power above all else.  The incident where she killed all those elves was a good example.  She sent Brie to take care of the rebellion, which Brie did with the skill you'd expect from her, but in the meantime she learned that Gaspard was gaining favor by making Celene appear to favor the elves too strongly.  So she decided the best way to show the nobles that she wasn't overly friendly with the elves was to murder a few thousand of them.  That move both showed how evil she could be, as well as how foolish, because her move was so predictable to Gaspard that he was able to lay a successful ambush for her, an ambush that Brie saw coming a mile away, and would've easily prevented if she'd been with Celene instead of being held prisoner.  That one part of the book showed well just what kind of leader Celene 'would' have been without Brie.  She would've been much less friendly to the elves, and she also would've been easily outmaneuvered and lost the throne to Gaspard.  Truly it was Brie more than Celene was the master of the game.

 

Of course for all of Brie's strengths, she in the end dissolved into becoming the worst of them all, when she came to believe (wrongly, one would have to assume) that Celene's actions in the battle against the varterral meant that she never loved Brie, that she loved Michel and was only using Brie all along, that she was merely Celene's 'tool', as she put it.  There was no explanation given for Celene's actions during the battle, but at the same time we know that she loved Brie and didn't love Michel, so we're left without a reason why she did what she did, and certainly Brie can't be faulted for coming to that mistaken conclusion since she doesn't know what we know, only what she saw for herself.  However her response was not simply to retaliate against Celene, which again would've at least been understandable, but rather to set about to prolong a war that would result in far more innocent people dying than even Celene had caused in her slaughter of the elves earlier in the book.  A woman scorned, she became the worst version of herself, killing humans for power just as Celene had done with the elves.  Indeed they were two of a kind in their own unique way.

 

Gaspard, for all his faults from early in the book (primarily his desire to go to war with Ferelden) , became the best of the three in the end.  He behaved with honor, saved everyone's lives, and proved that he would indeed have been the best choice to lead Orlais as a man of character and ability.  While of course my top priority, in my first playthrough, will be to reunite Celene and Briala regardless of who I have to put on the throne to make that happen, I tend to think that, rather unexpectedly, I would probably side with Gaspard if it were purely on the merits, something I never planned to do before reading the book.  Of course when it comes to honor and character one should also mention Michel.  Honoring his word when it meant losing everything, as Gaspard himself said, Michel was the very model of a chevalier.  I don't really understand why Celene wouldn't take him back, knowing why he did what he did, unless the concept of honor is so completely foreign to her that she literally can't understand why he did what he did.  As he is a powerful ally, she should be more than willing to return him to his place as her guard, she certainly won't find anyone nearly as valuable to replace him.  The man who bested Gaspard himself, and ended his fighting career, who wouldn't want to join Celene's cause with such a fellow as her right hand man?  Just as a recruiting tool alone he would be invaluable.  But somehow he's not wanted, so he's left to wander around until, presumably, we find him at some point in DAI and help him kill Imshael.

 

Of course the big question at the end, who was the mysterious individual who killed Felassan.  It would seem that Felassan's job was to get the eluvians, but instead he let Brie keep them.  The whole 'why not let the girl try?' line suggests that the mysterious individual's goals are at least similar to Brie's.  Could this person be one of the ancient, sleeping elves, who wants to wake up and retake the world for the elves?  Seems like a possibility.  And of course cutting off his final sentence before we even know who he was going to compare Brie to is frustrating.  Was he going to say 'you'?  Was he going to say 'andraste'?  Was he going to say 'flemeth'?  Or something else entirely?  Rather a frustrating way for a book to end, not just on a question, but a question within a question.

 

In the final line, about Brie looking for 'her people', in truth the elves aren't her people, her people are the nobles of Orlais, because she was the true master of the Game, she lived it, she loved it, she consistently outplayed everyone, and were it not for her jealousy and mistaken doubting of Celene's feelings for her, she'd be in Orlais with her now, enjoying whatever new Title Celene gave her, the elves would've been much better off for whatever new reforms she'd have maneuvered Celene into making, and no doubt in time she'd have become Queen, or co-Queen, herself.  So try as she might, Briala will never find 'her people' in the Dales or any of the other poor, elven areas of Orlais.  Imagining that some group of people is 'your people' simply because you share the same race is as much madness in the world of DA as it is in our own world.  She will find her people when, and only when, she returns to Val Royeaux.

 

The book was a fascinating and awesome read.  While I wish that some of the characters (particularly Celene and Brie) had ended up being better people, I was certainly pleased that there were certain characters who exceeded my expectations of them (Gaspard and Michel) and of course the other characters were interesting also.  If you haven't read it yet you owe it to yourself to do so, and having read all the major DA books (not the comics but the books) I can say that this book is the best of the lot, and certainly it's a must-read for everyone who plans to play DAI, as it sets the stage for the game very awesomely.  Two thumbs up for this fantastic book!


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I have to agree with others, at the beginning I hated Gaspard...mainly because he was an arse to Teagan, but by the end I preferred him by far over Celene.  I'm now surprised by how much I dislike her. 

 

As I finished it one of my first thoughts was "Aww Michel!  Come join the Inquisition, we'll have you!", he would have made a great companion...



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I have to agree with others, at the beginning I hated Gaspard...mainly because he was an arse to Teagan, but by the end I preferred him by far over Celene.  I'm now surprised by how much I dislike her. 

 

As I finished it one of my first thoughts was "Aww Michel!  Come join the Inquisition, we'll have you!", he would have made a great companion...

 

Strangely enough, those were also my exact thoughts. That or he should join the Wardens. A warrior with his skill and honor would be an amazing asset to them.


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Strangely enough, those were also my exact thoughts. That or he should join the Wardens. A warrior with his skill and honor would be an amazing asset to them.

Until he decides his honor is more important than the stability of Thedas again. Nice spell of ressurection, btw.
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Celene reminded me of Bhelen from DAO.  She is definitely someone who has the goals that would be better for her people in the long run but is willing to do anything for her goals.

 

Gaspard is honorable and I did like him more as the book went on but I get the feeling that he would ultimately weaken Orlais in the long run with things like another war with Fereldan and such.



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Celene reminded me of Bhelen from DAO.  She is definitely someone who has the goals that would be better for her people in the long run but is willing to do anything for her goals.

 

Gaspard is honorable and I did like him more as the book went on but I get the feeling that he would ultimately weaken Orlais in the long run with things like another war with Fereldan and such.

Good point. Though I have come to dislike Celene after the novel, I'm afraid Gaspard would be a warmonger. If he can be talked out of his hate of Ferelden, I'd certainly chose him as an Emperor.



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Gaspard was awesome in masked empire, totally gave me a 180 on my opinion of him by the end of the book. And I agree Celene is somewhat like bhelen. To an extent.

But as much as I love gaspard he wants to invade fereldan. And that's a big no-no in my book.

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How? Felassan withheld information, or at least didn't have the time to warn Michel (since he didn't know what Michel would do), but the decision to let the clan die was the whole group's decision. Briala or anyone else could have tried to stop the demon or get the rest to help, and they walked away and simply said 'it's their fault, let them deal with it'. Briala claims she wants to help elves, but she somehow didn't think twice about letting a whole clan of them die. I think she might have the whole 'elves are lesser' mindset rooted in her brain more than she thinks.

By the clan's own admission, they would like nothing more than for all humans and city elves to die because their very presence corrupts the ground they walk upon.

So, really, let them burn.


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Gaspard was awesome in masked empire, totally gave me a 180 on my opinion of him by the end of the book. And I agree Celene is somewhat like bhelen. To an extent.
But as much as I love gaspard he wants to invade fereldan. And that's a big no-no in my book.

Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that didn't change my opinion on Gaspard. In the beginning he's a power hungry war mongering traditionalist and in the end... he's still a power hungry war mongering traditionalist.
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Sometimes I feel like I'm the only one that didn't change my opinion on Gaspard. In the beginning he's a power hungry war mongering traditionalist and in the end... he's still a power hungry war mongering traditionalist.


But with honour! :)

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But with honour! :)

When it suits him.
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When it suits him.


But with a code!

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By the clan's own admission, they would like nothing more than for all humans and city elves to die because their very presence corrupts the ground they walk upon.

So, really, let them burn.

 

Interestingly, the clan was completely right. That's something that tends to be overlooked because they were rude xenophobic jerks, but they should have killed the intruders instead of saving them from the sylvans. Had the Dalish killed them, the clan would still be alive and with ownership of the Eluvians. Gaspard would have found Celene dead and he could have gone back to Val Royeaux as the winner. No civil war, no more elven rebellion.

 

One has to wonder if Felassan or his boss wanted that too. Well, the Eluvian network falling into Briala's hands wasn't a desired outcome, that's for sure.