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[leaguer of one]

The only goal we know Felassan had was getting the Eluvian for his master.Why he got in contact with Briala and why this helps at all with the Eluvian doesn't even makes sense.

All they needed was the password from a demon .(demons Felassan knew)

He doesn't give a crap about Dalish ,and barely even notice the city elf.

 

This character is only here to interact with Briala , and tomake Briala character more important..And to crack joke from time to time.

I would not say that. He does use Briala to manipulate Celene. He is the one that get Braila to stay with Celene in the first place and say with getting Celene to help the elves. You don't see that it's odd the Feladdan by chance bring the group to a dalish clan trying to control the mirror. And it matter not if he knew the demon, the issue is getting the demon to do what he wanted.

[Olmerto]

I just finished Masked Empire last night. Good discussion going on here. It's a very engaging book where the protagonists have flaws, and the villain has virtues. However I did want to point out a glaring error in the book I found:

 

P. 337, paragraph 6, "Though larger, sized for a man's fingers, it was the same intricate puzzle shape as the ring Briala Celene wore, given to her by Lady Mantillon."

 

This caused confusion when things unfolded, causing me to go back and read the passage again because it didn't align with the story that followed. I shortly saw that this was a misprint that only made sense if it was the ring Celene wore. I've noticed more of these kinds of errors in novels these days, and it seems to betray a great reliance on a spell checker more than a human editor and proofer, since so many grammar and logical errors slide through the process. 

[leaguer of one]

Celene did need to get Briala on her side at that point and perhaps she was just lying to do that or perhaps she was telling the truth but would end up getting forced by the other nobles so go back on her promise. But I dunno I thought Celene was being genuine, I do think Celene felt guilty for using Briala when Briala was about the only person who really cared about her but mostly I think Celene wanted to do something just for herself. She'd spent 20 years trying to do what was best for Orlais but no one appreciated it, the elves still rebelled, the nobles started a civil war despite all her efforts.

The only reason she became empress was to not be kill by Gaspard. The irony was that it was fruitless being that he never planned to kill her in the first place. Her happy ending would of been never becoming the empress and being sent to fereldin with her maid.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

The only reason she became empress was to not be kill by Gaspard. The irony was that it was fruitless being that he never planned to kill her in the first place. Her happy ending would of been never becoming the empress and being sent to fereldin with her maid.

 

Yeah she would have been happier. Based on what she says about how she can't sleep its obvious being empress is a heavy burden but she clearly does care about Orlais and she enjoys the game.

 

 

 

@Olmerto all the dragon age and mass effect books are pretty bad for spelling and grammar mistakes. Yeah I blame spell check too, it isn't a substitute for a proof reader.

[Rel Fexive]

But with a code!

 

"Well... it's really more of a guideline, than a code..."

[A.Kazama]

"Well... it's really more of a guideline, than a code..."

You sound like Barbossa..

 

[Adaar the Unbound]

Why was Michels vow to Briala held instead of Michels vow to Celene as her Champion?

[Adaar the Unbound]

Besides that, I enjoyed the book very, very much. I had a strong emotional attachment to Celene and Brialas relationship and I hope they get back together in DAI.

[Vapaa]

I think Celene an Briala's relation is pretty much over, there some things that just can't be mended.

[Heimdall]

I think Celene an Briala's relation is pretty much over, there some things that just can't be mended.

I don't know, despite it all, they both seemed fairly upset at parting ways.

[Heimdall]

Why was Michels vow to Briala held instead of Michels vow to Celene as her Champion?

Don't know, but its certainly something I hold against him.

[Zatche]

I think Celene an Briala's relation is pretty much over, there some things that just can't be mended.

I don't think I could forgive someone for being involved in my parents' death, let alone maintain a relationship with them. #TeamBriala

[Vapaa]

I don't know, despite it all, they both seemed fairly upset at parting ways.

 

Yes, but when you found out your lover hid for 20 years the fact that she killed your parents, trust is irremediably broken.

[AlleluiaElizabeth]

Why was Michels vow to Briala held instead of Michels vow to Celene as her Champion?

The thing she was agreeing to hide for him (his bloodline) was a bigger deal than the Champion agreement he held for Celene. Briala was agreeing to preserve everything, including his status as a chevalier and Champion, by keeping his secret. Thus, it supercedes his other vows and is worth a bigger favor.

 

He got screwed in the end by his deal since keeping his bargain ended up forfeiting the Champion thing anyway, but he didn't know it'd do that at the time. He kept the vow regardless b/c of the seriousness of it and b/c his honor dictated a deal was a deal. Its honorable to honor your deals, regardless of how distatsfuul the outcome is for you. In fact, some might say its more honorable to do so at that point.

 

That's how I saw it, anyhow.

[Beerfish]

Traitors to who?

In the masked empire:  Briala and Michel

In Asunder: Rhys, Evangeline, Leliana (though she is influenced by the divine), Even poor Wynne.

[Beerfish]

To a person who can't keep their promises and manipulated and betrayed them.(More Briala)

 

Micheal is all about his code and can't be any less then that.

Briala was tricked into Celene's bed. Celene lied to her for years.

Yeah good old Michel kept the code, well except for how he got into the Chevaliers in the 1st place and then when everything was on the line he tosses the code out the window because he made a promise under blackmail/duress to an elven servant.  Then, on top of it all he immediately spills the beans on what was promised to be kept secret on his own.  The guy lost his marbles.  If he was not a traitor and stuck to the code he should have lopped off Brialas head when she got too uppity.

 

Your 2nd point is nonsense, Briala got just as much out of the relationship as Celene.  Using the word tricked there is bull.  This is ignoring the fact that Celene went well out of her way to make things better for Briala and the city elves and compared to what would happen if another was on the throne, say...Gaspard she and her city elves had it good relatively speaking compared to how it could be.

[Burricho]

He doesn't 'toss his code out the window'. He swore that he would do whatever briala asked, no matter what. If it meant breaking his oath so be it.

[Zatche]

she and her city elves had it good relatively speaking compared to how it could be.

Ends don't justify the means, especially from Briala's point of view, in which the means involve murdered parents and other murdered servants.

[efd731]

He doesn't 'toss his code out the window'. He swore that he would do whatever briala asked, no matter what. If it meant breaking his oath so be it.

Which his code dictated that he should
Uphold at all costs, and since it was taken not only as the first oath, but to his monarch(the woman who he swore to protect with his life). Then he negated the point of breaking his original vow anyways, by spilling the beans. Not only did he break his vow, he invalidated the reason for doing do, and then directly allowed the civil war to occur.

[CronoDragoon]

I enjoyed the book subverting my expectations by making all the characters flawed, none of them preferable in a vacuum. I consider it a testament to the writing that who I will support will come down to their actions in the game, and who can best support the Inquisition.

[Zatche]

I enjoyed the book subverting my expectations by making all the characters flawed, none of them preferable in a vacuum. I consider it a testament to the writing that who I will support will come down to their actions in the game, and who can best support the Inquisition.

Oh yes, this is I why I liked the book. I started out disliking Gaspard in the beginning then I gained a grudging respect for him towards the end. I thought of Celene as very noble at first, and then the big reveals happened. And Felessan's description of the ancient elves challenged the idea that they were actually something the Dalish should aspire to. I prefer Briala at the moment, but I recognize she has her flaws.

I suspect I will support each of them at least once in my playthroughs.

[Heimdall]

Yes, but when you found out your lover hid for 20 years the fact that she killed your parents, trust is irremediably broken.

And yet, Briala still had feelings for Celene.

[Zatche]

And yet, Briala still had feelings for Celene.

Plenty of people still have feelings for their exes. Doesn't mean they forgive all wrongdoings and get back together.

[Heimdall]

Plenty of people still have feelings for their exes. Doesn't mean they forgive all wrongdoings and get back together.

Some do, the possibility remains.

[Zatche]

Some do, the possibility remains.

Some do, but I still maintain that murdered parents is a dealbreaker, feelings or no. Well, for most people anyway. I can't speak for Briala, but I'm speculating it's a dealbreaker for her, too.

On the other hand, it would be interesting to see if this is something you can influence in DAI. Convince Briala and Celene to rejoin forces against Gascard, or choose to support just one party.