So he revealed his secret anyway 1.3 seconds after keeping his under duress open promise to an elven servant rather than up holding his pledge to protect the empress. The guy was a bone head.
At that point it didn't matter. He had broken his oath to celene and would be executed anyway.
Anyway, i can see that this is going nowhere.
I'm talking about the elven population. They will suffer in this war as well.We're talking guerilla here, not migration, the rebellion can virtually strike anywhere in Orlais in mere hours.
We're talking guerilla here, not migration, the rebellion can virtually strike anywhere in Orlais in mere hours.
I'm talking about the elven population. They will suffer in this war as well.
Unless they learn about the mirrors and leave with them.
Both have taken extreme actions because they feel their 'people' mages or elves have been picked on. However both decisions were made relatively in a short sighted manner. By giving the elves an advantage she may have doomed many many innocent elves both city and dalish. Just as Anders actions has endangered the lives of many mages.
Extreme? What extreme actions have Braila done? Nothing was blown up, no one has been killed in mass. Not one person has been assassinated. Yet some how you label her actions as extreme?
Oh they won't destroy the mirrors if they can help it. They will try and gain total control of them for themselves and that means Briala and her ilk need to be removed. And since elves are the ones that can make best use of them they may decide the danger will always be there of an elven revolt. They may be viewed as being more trouble than they are worth.
But they can't use it with out the elves. So they can't just remove the once who control it. Added, they need the control jewel to access it anyway and Braila has it.
Unless they learn about the mirrors and leave with them.
As I previously explained, that won't work.
As I previously explained, that won't work.
I said leave through the mirrors not live in the mirrors.
I said leave through the mirrors not live in the mirrors.
Same problem, the more people know about them, the greater chance of the locations of the entrances getting out and getting barricaded.
Same problem, the more people know about them, the greater chance of the locations of the entrances getting out and getting barricaded.
There so many mirrors they can't barricade them all. They cover all the thedus.
Extreme? What extreme actions have Braila done? Nothing was blown up, no one has been killed in mass. Not one person has been assassinated. Yet some how you label her actions as extreme?
Well I'd say because it says right in the book what she intends to use them for. To prolong the battle between the fractured O'rlais and use that as a way to achieve gain for the elves. Do you honestly think that ruthless people like Gaspard and Celene will stand around with no concern for the elves and the new power they potentially wield and ignore them until something happens? At the very least they will be fully aware of the dangers ahead and more likely will be planning on a way to deal with them.
There so many mirrors they can't barricade them all. They cover all the thedus.
This network was only specified to cover Orlais, and they don't need to barricade them all, just the ones that provide access to fortifications and sensitive areas. They can cover a great deal besides just to hinder fast transit. The effectiveness of Briala's covert operations will be significantly hindered.
But they can't use it with out the elves. So they can't just remove the once who control it. Added, they need the control jewel to access it anyway and Braila has it.
Then that is a task for the crown of orlias isn't it. If Briala thinks every single elf and every single situation is going to blindly follow her she probably has another thing coming. Also there are two jewels at least no?
I don't see how Clan Virnehn are supposed to be representative of most clans when they continually violate the tenants of the Dalish, including the prohibition against using magic that involves spirits. Their view of the city elves doesn't seem to be shared by anyone else, either. One of their historians for the People, and their hahren, even talk about wanting to have the city elves be a part of a new independent elven kingdom of the Dales, and Paivel in particular talks about how the Dalish and the city elves can learn from one another.
We've also met enough clans to know that this simply isn't true. Zevran's clan rescued Aneirin when they stumbled across him near death after the templars attacked him and left him for dead, Zevran brought Lanaya to the clan after killing the humans who enslaved her - and she was permitted to compete against several competitors for the role of First, Pol was welcomed into the clan, and Merrill not only cares about the plight faced by the Alienage elves, but she encourages killing Kelder so no more elven children die at his hands.
Well, Clan Virnehn never "violates the tenants of the Dalish, including the prohibition against using magic that involves spirits", as far as we know. What WoT says is that Dalish "do not use any magic involving spirits, as they believe all spirits are dangerous". It doesn't say it's a prohibition; it could be, but it could also be just a matter of tradition. Isn't Merrill Dalish after all?
Their view about the City Elves is extreme, true, but it could also be a natural deviation of typical Dalish condescension that is a part of their culture. The Dalish never hide that they consider their way the "true" elven way, in what Fenris calls "a smug sense of superiority", and there are enough examples of that in the past games, including the Dalish entry about the City Elves and Paivel flat out telling a Dalish Warden that "we call them flat-ears, for they differ little from their shemlen masters".
However, until we witness an Arlathvhen, we won't really know if Felassan was telling the truth or not, if Clan Virnehn's views are extreme and in the minority, or if they are the general rule (an absolute rule is impossible, in one way or another).
But they can't use it with out the elves.
Yes, they can. The mirros are more suited to the elves but there's no reason humans can't use them. It was Celene that activated the first one, not Briala.
Not the same thing. Anders was an extremist who killed people to make a point. Briala's actions is only to give the elves an advantage.
What effect do you think prolonging the war will have?
But they can't use it with out the elves. So they can't just remove the once who control it. Added, they need the control jewel to access it anyway and Braila has it.
Oh, really?
Tell me again what Morrigan ( a human Witch) used at the end of the DLC Witch Hunt. It wasn't chopped nug livers, that's for certain.
This network was only specified to cover Orlais, and they don't need to barricade them all, just the ones that provide access to fortifications and sensitive areas. They can cover a great deal besides just to hinder fast transit. The effectiveness of Briala's covert operations will be significantly hindered.
The fact that they are in the middle of a civil war means they can't do that.
What effect do you think prolonging the war will have?
The same effect any war would have.
Oh, really?
Tell me again what Morrigan ( a human Witch) used at the end of the DLC Witch Hunt. It wasn't chopped nug livers, that's for certain.
Why with a dalish spell book. Being that the book is dalish, that means...
Yes, they can. The mirros are more suited to the elves but there's no reason humans can't use them. It was Celene that activated the first one, not Briala.
I meant the pass they have. And you think a human would last very long in the mirrors?
Then that is a task for the crown of orlias isn't it. If Briala thinks every single elf and every single situation is going to blindly follow her she probably has another thing coming. Also there are two jewels at least no?
Over the crown of Orlais that treats them like crap? We can say a very few won't but the vast majority on the other hand....
Well I'd say because it says right in the book what she intends to use them for. To prolong the battle between the fractured O'rlais and use that as a way to achieve gain for the elves. Do you honestly think that ruthless people like Gaspard and Celene will stand around with no concern for the elves and the new power they potentially wield and ignore them until something happens? At the very least they will be fully aware of the dangers ahead and more likely will be planning on a way to deal with them.
Anything that happen when the war is prolonged is in the hand of the people who are at war.
Well, Clan Virnehn never "violates the tenants of the Dalish, including the prohibition against using magic that involves spirits", as far as we know. What WoT says is that Dalish "do not use any magic involving spirits, as they believe all spirits are dangerous". It doesn't say it's a prohibition; it could be, but it could also be just a matter of tradition. Isn't Merrill Dalish after all?
I'd consider Merrill an unorthodox Dalish, but even she was ostracized originally for speaking to a spirit and using a school of magic that involved a spirit. I also never said that Clan Virnehn wasn't Dalish, although I do consider it unfortunate, given the lack of depth to the characters, and their existence solely solely as a plot device for the Eluvians.
However, Clan Virnehn is as representative of the entirety of the Dalish as Alrik and his accomplices are of all the Templar Order. There's no reason to consider an atypical clan as representative of the Dalish as a whole, particularly when we have numerous examples that disprove this notion - including ones provided by the developers in addressing how varied the Dalish clans can be. No group is perfect, and the Dalish are no exception. Even one-dimensional cutboard cutouts like Clan Virnehn.
Their view about the City Elves is extreme, true, but it could also be a natural deviation of typical Dalish condescension that is a part of their culture. The Dalish never hide that they consider their way the "true" elven way, in what Fenris calls "a smug sense of superiority", and there are enough examples of that in the past games, including the Dalish entry about the City Elves and Paivel flat out telling a Dalish Warden that "we call them flat-ears, for they differ little from their shemlen masters".
The fact that some Dalish look down on the city elves for living under human rule doesn't change that one of their primary historians, and their hahren, talk about the city elves being part of an independent elven kingdom. Even Paivel, who you cited, talks about how the Dalish can learn from the city elves, despite his feelings that the Andrastian elves are culturally human. We have Dalish accepting elves who lived under human rule, and even rescuing a young boy who was left to die by the templars, while Clan Virnehn expresses an opposing view on the city elves that doesn't seem to be shared by the clans we have encountered so far; I continue not to see Clan Virnehn as representative of the multitude of Dalish clans out there.
However, until we witness an Arlathvhen, we won't really know if Felassan was telling the truth or not, if Clan Virnehn's views are extreme and in the minority, or if they are the general rule (an absolute rule is impossible, in one way or another).
How are they the general rule when they explicitly contradict what one of their primary historians and the hahren say about welcoming the willing city elves into the Dalish and how WoT reads that the Dalish don't use magic that involves spirits? Felassan's repeated disdain for the Dalish isn't sufficient enough to consider me that all the evidence to the contrary is wrong.
No, it doesn't.The fact that they are in the middle of a civil war means they can't do that.
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