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[leaguer of one]

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The question is, what will this cost in a matter of resources (gold, men) and how long this war is supposed to take before its end. Even if Ferelden falls quickly, people there hate Orlais so much that it's predictable that, in the long run, they will try to revolt and/or be reluctant to obey.
Also, if the Dalish are truly ready to revolt at the same time, it's not the right moment to start a war with another country. This could serve the enemy.
In my canon playthrough, my warden asked that the circle of Ferelden was released from the chantry. Now, what would happen if the mages send from Orlais to fight against Ferelden decide opportunistically that the grass is greener on the other side of the fence? Remember Asunder, the mages weren't even alowed to gader and take decisions about their own futur. So it's strange and risky to send them fight an enemy who seems friendlier to them than their own country.

Ironically, at this moment they don't have the mages to send.

[MWImexico]

Ironically, at this moment they don't have the mages to send.

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Yes. If Gaspard is the one behind the attempted murder committed against the Divine in Asunder than it's definitely his fault.

[leaguer of one]

Spoiler

Yes. If Gaspard is the one behind the attempted murder committed against the Divine in Asunder than it's definitely his fault.

Spoiler

We have yet to know that yet but he does have a strong hate for the chantry.

[MWImexico]

From what I recall from the first chapter of the Masked Empire ...

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it was Celene's idea that the Divine takes a little more power so that she could resolve the mage/templar problem peacefully. That's the reason why Justinia was going to make a speech at that ball, it was a political move.

Maybe the attempted murder was also a political move, from gaspard this time. The Nobility keeps an eye on Celene, they don't want to loose their power in favor of the Chantry. Maybe that was the first step of Gaspard's plan?

Or maybe it's the big bad who will appear in DA:I who is behind the attempted murder of the Divine? I guess we will know more after reading the Masked Empire until the end.

[ladyofpayne]

More I read about her more Celene smells like Mary Sue.

[Bekkael]

More I read about her more Celene smells like Mary Sue.

 

Yikes, I hope not. She just sounds like Queen Elizabeth I of England, to me.

[Maria Caliban]

More I read about her more Celene smells like Mary Sue.

 

Yes, Celene is Patrick Weekes' self insert.

[azarhal]

Yes, Celene is Patrick Weekes' self insert.

 

Might explain why he dressed like the Black Widow for Halloween, he need to get his inner girl out to write the book...

[leaguer of one]

More I read about her more Celene smells like Mary Sue.

Far from it. She basicly have to keep a balancing board with progressing the empire and feeding to the delusions of the nobility.

[leaguer of one]

Yikes, I hope not. She just sounds like Queen Elizabeth I of England, to me.

She is Queen Elizabeth the first. You're not wrong. People just use the "mary sue" to make characters look worse than the ones they really like or character they don't like and have little reason to.

[DragonRacer]

Fresh from the Twitter thread:

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes 

"Celene is Patrick Weekes' self insert." BEST ADVANCE CRITICISM EVER. My secret wish to be a gay Orlesian empress revealed!

 

I am rolling, guys. I can't even... stahp...LMAO

[ElitePinecone]

Someone should probably alter the title to say the thread has spoilers. 

 

Done.

 

Also, if people are going to quote big chunks of text from the novel - or even plot points - use the spoiler tags!

 

That's what they're there for, after all. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

More I read about her more Celene smells like Mary Sue.

 

Why?  Because she has power and uses it?

[The Elder King]

From what I recall from the first chapter of the Masked Empire ...

Spoiler

it was Celene's idea that the Divine takes a little more power so that she could resolve the mage/templar problem peacefully. That's the reason why Justinia was going to make a speech at that ball, it was a political move.
Maybe the attempted murder was also a political move, from gaspard this time. The Nobility keeps an eye on Celene, they don't want to loose their power in favor of the Chantry. Maybe that was the first step of Gaspard's plan?
Or maybe it's the big bad who will appear in DA:I who is behind the attempted murder of the Divine? I guess we will know more after reading the Masked Empire until the end.

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Considering that the GI coverage hinted at the crysis in a thedas being caused by the same person, it's possible.

As for Celene being a Mary Sue, I disagree.

[ElitePinecone]

Yikes, I hope not. She just sounds like Queen Elizabeth I of England, to me.

 

I also got this impression, mostly due to the way in which she uses her availability for marriage as a political weapon. Keeping suitors in her grasp while committing to nobody seems like a pretty crafty part of The Game that she's mastered. 

 

(And I haven't read any more of the novel, but it seems like she might never be enthusiastic about marriage to a man.)

[MWImexico]

Of cource he think he is better than the others. He can't be humble. He is alpha man as general have to be. He is nature born leader, just like Loghain and another rulers. And yes- rulers aren't pleasant people. Tywin Lannister as an example.

That reminds me about girls who "want to marry humbe millionaire". You really don't know what do you want from character.

 

You do realise that Celene could also fit these description, right?

[Amirit]

I saw it in Amazon. But you can see it at macmillan page

 

Thank you! On Amazon I can see only a short version but macmillan did the trick.

[thats1evildude]

The Definition of a Mary Sue As It Has Come To Be Known on the Internet: Any reasonably competent character I don't personally like.

[Zenbry]

Anyone else get the feeling from the preview that this book is just setting up the Celene is the progressive "good" ruler, and Gaspard is the imperialist "evil" ruler. Then in Inquisition we'll have to choose who to support, Gaspard will have the armies that he will of course use to support our cause and Celene will have significantly less? I'm calling it.   

[Das Tentakel]

It may be that ladyofpayne has the impression that, within her context, Celene comes over as a somewhat idealized character. Meaning she seems to be a comparatively broad-minded and decent person, yet she´s still a competent and effective ruler who plays the political game in what is basically a 2/3 evil fantasy empire (I guess Tevinter is 9/10 evil). 

 

The Elizabeth I comparison is probably right on the money, although I have to say so far Celine feels very much like a ´lite´ version of Good Queen Bess (who was a pretty complex and not all that pleasant character).

 

Edit: Ah, Zebry had somewhat the same impression.

 

Nothing wrong with this, however. Tie-in novels aren't intended to be world literature, and many readers probably want at least some characters they can root for.

[MWImexico]

Did you wonder how this efficient and apparently tolerant ruler will react when she will be confronted to the biggest threat of her long lasting reign...? Cause I think someone could write an entire book about it.

[The dead fish]

Fresh from the Twitter thread:

 

Patrick Weekes ‏@PatrickWeekes 

"Celene is Patrick Weekes' self insert." BEST ADVANCE CRITICISM EVER. My secret wish to be a gay Orlesian empress revealed!

 

I am rolling, guys. I can't even... stahp...LMAO

 

Not sure I understand... 

[leaguer of one]

Not sure I understand... 

There already poster saying Empress Celene is a mary sue and one of the definitions of a mary sue is that the character is just the self insertion of the personification of the author.

 

So if Celene is a mary sue, that would mean Weeks secretly wants to be a gay orlesian empress.(And yes, she Celene likes girls.)

[Das Tentakel]

Did you wonder how this efficient and apparently tolerant ruler will react when she will be confronted to the biggest threat of her long lasting reign...? Cause I think someone could write an entire book about it.

 
Well, hire Hawk(e) of course and promote him to admiral!
 


...and many buckles were swashed...

[MWImexico]

Nah, she's not that clever. The all story will more likely end up in an old fashioned bloodbath, you know, to perpetuate the tradition.