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[The Angry One]

Fuzzyrabbit wrote...

It was her project that brought Shep back to life. She earned the position.

That earns her a position of science officer at best.
Exactly how does that qualify her to be second in command of a military starship? I don't think command assignments are given out based on how many gold stars you earn.

[Frotality]

considering she brings you to life and cerberus gives you the SR-2, shep is lucky hes still even 1st in command. that is of course a likely ruse to make shep content with the situation though; its basic logic to assume that cerberus isnt just gonna submit to you for the whole game.

[Shad0wOGRE]

Schneidend wrote...

CommanderNuetral wrote...

Garrus isn't XO material. He's a whiny **** that doesn't understand there's a chain of command and I'll beat him with it until he does.

What? Garrus is a military man and a police officer, and damn good at both.

Good at both? What evidence is there that he's good at both? He failed to capture Dr. Saleon, He failed to find evidence of Saren's betrayal. He endangers hostages. He doesn't call for backup when he's clearly outnumbered. In case you were wondering these things are all indicators of a bad police officer.

How is he even remotely "whiny", and how could you possibly get the impression that does he not know that there is a chain of command?

Don't you remember his convos about why he left C-Sec? He didn't like following orders or doing things by the book. He saw nothing wrong with destroying a ship when it could have caused serious damage to the Citadel, endangering the people he swore to protect.

[Eradyn]

Frotality wrote...

considering she brings you to life and cerberus gives you the SR-2, shep is lucky hes still even 1st in command. that is of course a likely ruse to make shep content with the situation though; its basic logic to assume that cerberus isnt just gonna submit to you for the whole game.

Lucky? Lucky?  I'm sorry...they brought Shepard back to life because they needed him/her.  Shep was dead...didn't need anything or anyone at that point.  If anyone's going to be grateful, it's those who needed Shepard so much that they'd bring him/her back from the dead so that Shepard could save their hides.

[Annihilator27]

crimsontotem wrote...

F*#&k that? how dare she? Garrus is my second in command, he was with me in ME1 and nothing can change

that fact.

I hope that when she says she's a second in command (probably after recruting the first squadmate whoever that

is) to Garrus, there is a dialogue option pops up saying "screw you **** you just became subordinate of Garrus." 

Where is this from?

[Frotality]

Eradyn wrote...

Frotality wrote...

considering she brings you to life and cerberus gives you the SR-2, shep is lucky hes still even 1st in command. that is of course a likely ruse to make shep content with the situation though; its basic logic to assume that cerberus isnt just gonna submit to you for the whole game.

Lucky? Lucky?  I'm sorry...they brought Shepard back to life because they needed him/her.  Shep was dead...didn't need anything or anyone at that point.  If anyone's going to be grateful, it's those who needed Shepard so much that they'd bring him/her back from the dead so that Shepard could save their hides.

exactly. shep is a tool to them. you really think every shepard is going to have goals entirely synonymous with cerberus? its an obvious plot device that you and cerberus (and by extension miranda) will have conflicting goals at some point. i very much doubt TIM at the moment will be saying, "wait, your not gonna do what i tell you? but i gave you command of that ship! your obligated! hey, dont go countermanding my orders..dont cut me off-damnit! oh man.... i really should have accounted for this situation...". cerberus is built upon a foundation of breaking the rules to get the job done, i highly doubt TIM would value gratitude over the pursuits of his organization.

[GrouchoMarxist]

The Angry One wrote...

Fuzzyrabbit wrote...

It was her project that brought Shep back to life. She earned the position.

That earns her a position of science officer at best.
Exactly how does that qualify her to be second in command of a military starship? I don't think command assignments are given out based on how many gold stars you earn.

She's TIM's confidant and considered to be one of the most loyal operatives. Since Cerberus are the ones that are running the business (at first only, I hope) THAT's what makes her second in command.

[Eradyn]

And hopefully there will be options that allow players to "correct" that, or at least address Cerberus at an equal level. If that makes sense.

[BigEd420]

 After her and Illusive man bumped uglies?

[Eradyn]

BigEd420 wrote...

 After her and Illusive man bumped uglies?

Can't...unsee...

T-T

[Monster A-Go Go]

All I can say is that Miranda is going to be put in her place very quickly on my ship. And if she doesn't learn, her life on the Normandy will be very miserable indeed.

[Annihilator27]

Eccentrick79 wrote...

All I can say is that Miranda is going to be put in her place very quickly on my ship. And if she doesn't learn, her life on the Normandy will be very miserable indeed.

Im thinking about killing the Illusive man if its possible.

[Schneidend]

CommanderNuetral wrote...

Schneidend wrote...

CommanderNuetral wrote...

Garrus isn't XO material. He's a whiny **** that doesn't understand there's a chain of command and I'll beat him with it until he does.

What? Garrus is a military man and a police officer, and damn good at both.

Good at both? What evidence is there that he's good at both? He failed to capture Dr. Saleon, He failed to find evidence of Saren's betrayal. He endangers hostages. He doesn't call for backup when he's clearly outnumbered. In case you were wondering these things are all indicators of a bad police officer.

How is he even remotely "whiny", and how could you possibly get the impression that does he not know that there is a chain of command?

Don't you remember his convos about why he left C-Sec? He didn't like following orders or doing things by the book. He saw nothing wrong with destroying a ship when it could have caused serious damage to the Citadel, endangering the people he swore to protect.

Garrus discovered the trail of where to find the evidence needed to bring down Saren. In a city as large as the Citadel, that takes some stellar detective work. He wasn't able to bring the evidence to the first trial because the hearing was practically immediate, no doubt rushed by the Council to protect their then-favorite pet Spectre. A real criminal case of that magnitude on Earth would have had months of preparation.

Endangering hostages? Dr. Saleon's hostages had a much better chance of survival if C-Sec had simply used the Citadel's defenses to simply disable Saleon's ship as Garrus told them to. Because, with Saleon, those hostages had ZERO chance of survival. If you're referring to the Dr. Michel incident, well, Garrus was working the investigation off the record, and therefore wouldn't have had the authority to call for back-up, anyway. So, there is some argument for a lack of respect for the chain of command, there. But, considering Pallin was just flat-out wrong on the issue, I can't really hold it against Garrus.

And it's not that he didn't like following orders. C-Sec higher-ups countermanded his order to shoot down or disable Saleon's ship. He disliked pencil pushers making decisions that prevented him from doing his job. Dr. Saleon was a lunatic, and not doing whatever it took to bring him to justice was an insult to those he murdered and used.

You're trying to make a case that Garrus actively endeavors to not follow orders as a general rule. This simply isn't the case. Garrus follows Shepard, and he followed orders well enough to rise to a high rank in C-Sec that he obviously had. He was probably a detective with a lot of pull, like Chellick, if he's allowed to order around anti-aircraft ordnance.

[thompsonaf]

[The Angry One]

"Miranda, I hereby demote you to 3rd Technician in charge of chicken soup dispenser repair."

[Mariah5]

I agree with OP.



Bioware, please let me choose my own XO this time!

[ShadowAldrius]

She's official, capable, and dedicated to getting the job done. What about that makes her ineligible for the position of XO? Because she doesn't immediately trust Shepard and has no patience for those who don't stick to the plan?

If anything that makes her a better choice. (The no patience thing... not the... not trusting Shepard thing)

Modifié par ShadowAldrius, 21 janvier 2010 - 04:26 .

[The Angry One]

ShadowAldrius wrote...

She's official, capable, and dedicated to getting the job done. What about that makes her ineligible for the position of XO? Because she doesn't immediately trust Shepard and has no patience for those who don't stick to the plan?

If anything that makes her a better choice. (The no patience thing... not the... not trusting Shepard thing)

That she's a scientist, not a marine or naval officer?

[RusZap]

Its the strings attached to being brought back to life and given a state of the art ship to use.

[ExarKun00720]

RusZap wrote...

Its the strings attached to being brought back to life and given a state of the art ship to use.

In reality, there doesn't need to be any strings attached, I mean they could have fully implanted him with all kinds of stuff to get him to do the mission, I think there is a bit more than that.

[The Angry One]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

ShadowAldrius wrote...

She's official, capable, and dedicated to getting the job done. What about that makes her ineligible for the position of XO? Because she doesn't immediately trust Shepard and has no patience for those who don't stick to the plan?

If anything that makes her a better choice. (The no patience thing... not the... not trusting Shepard thing)

That she's a scientist, not a marine or naval officer?

She's not a scientist, she's a "tech specialist."

Same difference.

[Blackout62]

Schneidend wrote...

CommanderNuetral wrote...

Garrus isn't XO material. He's a whiny **** that doesn't understand there's a chain of command and I'll beat him with it until he does.

What? Garrus is a military man and a police officer, and damn good at both. How is he even remotely "whiny", and how could you possibly get the impression that does he not know that there is a chain of command?

Wait this is a perfect time for a Mock Effect quote:

"GARRUS: It’s complicated. C-Sec didn’t start out as a bad career, but I got saddled with more and more red tape.

JOHN: I mean… you’re not official crew, you know. We aren’t paying you. I don’t even remember your name most of the time.

GARRUS:
Well then maybe I can enjoy a little freedom while I’m here – get
things done my way for a change. Without C-Sec headquarters looking
over my shoulder.

JOHN: Wow, you’ve got a chip on your shoulder, Gareth. Do you ever not whine about C-Sec restricting you?

GARRUS:
I’m sorry. That’s exactly what I do. I guess because of my father. He’s
a C-Sec man, through and through. He’s taken my resignation pretty
badly. He’s always been so emotionally unavailable. And when I moved to
C-Sec I began to see…

JOHN: Save that story. You’re depressing the hell out of me.

GARRUS: I hear that a lot. I blame C-Sec."

Not to further an arguement just for laughs.

[Schneidend]

Crawling_Chaos wrote...

The Angry One wrote...

That she's a scientist, not a marine or naval officer?

She's not a scientist, she's a "tech specialist."

Absolutely nothing about her description or past role in Galaxies says "scientist" in any way.

Well, she is a scientist, because she's the project lead on Lazarus. She's responsible for the research that resurrects Shepard.

She just also happens to be a badass secret agent as well. That's quite a resume, I'd say, and makes her more than worthy of being my second-in-command. I hope there's an option to call her "LT."