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[Sir Arun]

Can somebody help jog my memory?

There's this one guy who gets killed by Miranda, but what were his motivations? Was he commanding the Loki mechs? Did they want Shepard dead?

Modifié par Sir Arun, 25 janvier 2014 - 05:38 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Actually, in Lair of the Shadow Broker we learn that Wilson, the guy you are referring to, was an agent for the Shadow Broker ho we know wanted Shepard's body to give to the Collectors.

[SwobyJ]

Nothing explained overtly to us.

Signs show that it was more likely:
-Wilson, hacking the defense mechs
-Jealous of Miranda, wanting at least some more pay to come to him if he isn't going to at least get recognition (making the attack partially due to Miranda's attitude)
-Tried to take out Shepard at the orders of Shadow Broker
-When Shepard survived, he was probably going to try to take him to be captured by Shadow Broker, but Miranda intervened
-Shadow Broker was working with Collectors (and therefore Harbinger and seemingly the Reapers as a whole), trying to save his hide however he can manage to

Some things are not spelled out. The Lazarus Project events should be good training in picking out cues and hints (another good example is the story of Joker's sister in ME3..)

[SwobyJ]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Actually, in Lair of the Shadow Broker we learn that Wilson, the guy you are referring to, was an agent for the Shadow Broker ho we know wanted Shepard's body to give to the Collectors.

Yes. People paying a ton of attention throughout ME2 can surmise this thought the game alone, but those who looked at the related comics would put 2 and 2 together. It's only (nearly) outright explained if we get Lair of the Shadow Broker, months later.


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The interesting bit is the theory that TIM knew about Wilson and had Miranda keep tabs on him, THUS her icey demeanor. It wouldn't be that Wilson planned to kill everyone, but it could be that TIM's spying became a self-fulfilling action. Miranda's behavior affected Wilson, etc.


But why would TIM let Wilson live?

-Could be to set up a situation where Shepard's combat ability (muscle memory, etc) is tested. Don't laugh at this; TIM actually does this several times throughout ME2, in different ways.
-Miranda's capabilities are tested too.
-Any witnesses are killed off

TIM loves having his spy devices everywhere, so I wouldn't be surprised if he watched Laz Project events with a drink in his hand.. A guy who tests others on the edge, that one..

Modifié par SwobyJ, 25 janvier 2014 - 06:03 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

I think TIM allowed Wilson to live so Shepard could have a tutorial mission.

[RangerSG]

SwobyJ wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Actually, in Lair of the Shadow Broker we learn that Wilson, the guy you are referring to, was an agent for the Shadow Broker ho we know wanted Shepard's body to give to the Collectors.

Yes. People paying a ton of attention throughout ME2 can surmise this thought the game alone, but those who looked at the related comics would put 2 and 2 together. It's only (nearly) outright explained if we get Lair of the Shadow Broker, months later.


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The interesting bit is the theory that TIM knew about Wilson and had Miranda keep tabs on him, THUS her icey demeanor. It wouldn't be that Wilson planned to kill everyone, but it could be that TIM's spying became a self-fulfilling action. Miranda's behavior affected Wilson, etc.


But why would TIM let Wilson live?

-Could be to set up a situation where Shepard's combat ability (muscle memory, etc) is tested. Don't laugh at this; TIM actually does this several times throughout ME2, in different ways.
-Miranda's capabilities are tested too.
-Any witnesses are killed off

TIM loves having his spy devices everywhere, so I wouldn't be surprised if he watched Laz Project events with a drink in his hand.. A guy who tests others on the edge, that one..

I actually find this fairly likely. Not ironclad certain. But it fits TIM's MO. The Lazarus Project is completed, but you have lots of expendable assets with access to 'very' sensitive data. What do you do?

Extermination. If it can out a potential rat in the process, even better.

Modifié par RangerSG, 25 janvier 2014 - 06:59 .

[Han Shot First]

Wilson had a large role to play in the Lazarus Project, but felt overshadowed by Miranda and unappreciated by his higher ups. He felt he wasn't getting his due in terms of both recognition and pay, so at some point he flipped, betrayed Cerberus, and became an agent for the Shadow Broker.

The Shadow Broker was likely looking to still sell Shepard to the Collectors. Wilson probably thought he had struck gold, even if it involved sabotaging his own work.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 25 janvier 2014 - 08:28 .

[SilJeff]

Is this this Shadow Broker info from the terminal where you read things like Miranda not able to concieve a child and Legion's video game highscores?

I don't remember Wilson in it, but it's been a while since I played it

[Massa FX]

Wilson sold Shepard to the shadowbroker. Or at least tried to. His plan was to eliminate all personnel on the station, power down the mechs he'd activated, and then take Shepards unconscious body to the shadowbroker.

Miranda thwarted his plan by waking Shepard up. And also putting a bullett in him kinda ruined his plan.

[DeinonSlayer]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Actually, in Lair of the Shadow Broker we learn that Wilson, the guy you are referring to, was an agent for the Shadow Broker ho we know wanted Shepard's body to give to the Collectors.

Boring. I thought it made a much more interesting twist if Wilson really was framed - if Miranda was ordered to "clean up" the facility after their work was complete.

Seriously, isn't it a little convenient that you find random diary entries from the guy every thirty feet throughout the station?

Modifié par DeinonSlayer, 25 janvier 2014 - 03:28 .

[SwobyJ]

DeinonSlayer wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Actually, in Lair of the Shadow Broker we learn that Wilson, the guy you are referring to, was an agent for the Shadow Broker ho we know wanted Shepard's body to give to the Collectors.

Boring. I thought it made a much more interesting twist if Wilson really was framed - if Miranda was ordered to "clean up" the facility after their work was complete.

Seriously, isn't it a little convenient that you find random diary entries from the guy every thirty feet throughout the station?

Well like I was getting at easlier, I like to think it was both

Maybe not Miranda ordered specifically to clean up, but TIM at least letting the situation happen in a contained cell, just to test how good Shepard is and who he should bring with him to the Normandy SR2. Everything seemed very 'arranged', even for how chaotic the first couple of levels 'seemed'.

[Mangalores]

RangerSG wrote...
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I actually find this fairly likely. Not ironclad certain. But it fits TIM's MO. The Lazarus Project is completed, but you have lots of expendable assets with access to 'very' sensitive data. What do you do?

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It's ridiculous how TIM considers his assets expendeble when he constantly hires highly educated experts to do crazy stuff none else does. One would assume these assets are actually not expendeble because the pool of people to do this kind of stuff should be limited and after the first few disappearances of colleagues would become rather reluctant to join some fishy covert ops.

IRL you kind of have to pay for all these space stations and highly sophisticated laboratories so you wouldn't want to bloody trash them, let alone kill the very exclusive collection of smart people that are willing to do your unethical covert ops for money or out of loyality.

[thehomeworld]

The official story was Wilson was jealous and greedy couldn't get paid enough to bring back the dead and decided to blow up everything

Which is lame.

Wilson had the secrets to reverse death I think a better motive would've been I'm taking all said secrets with me. We could've even had that chip implanted by Wilson into shep's brain that TIM denies to Shep and Miranda's faces so that if the spector goes rouge or doesn't fight in both TIM and the reapers interest they just turn it on since the reapers repeatedly fail to just indoctrinate him hacking him is just as well. A real plot and cover up could've been made to the whole destruction of the base.

We could find out Wilson didn't turn on the mechs at all he was stealing secrets along with a few others who where going to become the most sought after medical minds in the galaxy, selling secrets TIM wanted to keep for his own army he was trying to create. We could've had others turn on the mechs to stop Miranda and her crew from killing them. Shep was either left to die or Miranda stopped one of the rebels from poisoning him/her as this person felt shep would be used against them and in later game side quest that person turns out to be right because shep goes on Cerberus missions to regain data stolen not knowing it was about the LP ensuring TIMs secrets stay that way and our hero never knowing they were reaper upgraded cyborg clone of the actual dead shep.

[SwobyJ]

Mangalores wrote...

RangerSG wrote...
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I actually find this fairly likely. Not ironclad certain. But it fits TIM's MO. The Lazarus Project is completed, but you have lots of expendable assets with access to 'very' sensitive data. What do you do?

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It's ridiculous how TIM considers his assets expendeble when he constantly hires highly educated experts to do crazy stuff none else does. One would assume these assets are actually not expendeble because the pool of people to do this kind of stuff should be limited and after the first few disappearances of colleagues would become rather reluctant to join some fishy covert ops.

IRL you kind of have to pay for all these space stations and highly sophisticated laboratories so you wouldn't want to bloody trash them, let alone kill the very exclusive collection of smart people that are willing to do your unethical covert ops for money or out of loyality.

Answer: Reaper mentality.

Almost everyone is expendable.

TIM manages control over a significant section of humanity and influence throughout parts of the wider galaxy. A loss of a facility is something he puts into a folder called 'acceptable losses'.

[RZIBARA]

So the player can learn how to play

[SwobyJ]

RZIBARA wrote...

So the player can learn how to play

Damn, I think this one cracked the code!!!

[Han Shot First]

thehomeworld wrote...

The official story was Wilson was jealous and greedy couldn't get paid enough to bring back the dead and decided to blow up everything

Which is lame.

Wilson had the secrets to reverse death I think a better motive would've been I'm taking all said secrets with me.

Who is to say he wasn't planning to do exactly that?

It is implied that he had at least as large a role in the Lazarus Project as Miranda. It is also possible, though not certain, that he could have even had more of a hands on role in bringing back Shepard than Miranda. Certainly post-Lazarus he would have possessed the knowledge and the ability to bring back someone from the dead if the right tools and funding were at his disposal.

Maybe he planned to double dip, so to speak. He cashes out the first time by being paid handsomely by the Shadow Broker to betray Lazarus and turn over Shepard, and then cashes out a second time by selling his services to the highest bidder. Somewhere there has got to be a dying CEO, EZO baron, or some other extremely wealthy person willing to pay any amount to defeat death.

Wilson probably thought he was sitting on a gold mine. Unfortunately his get rich quick scheme ended with a ventilated cranium.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 26 janvier 2014 - 03:31 .

[sr2josh]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

Actually, in Lair of the Shadow Broker we learn that Wilson, the guy you are referring to, was an agent for the Shadow Broker ho we know wanted Shepard's body to give to the Collectors.

This.  

[thehomeworld]

Han Shot First wrote...

thehomeworld wrote...

The official story was Wilson was jealous and greedy couldn't get paid enough to bring back the dead and decided to blow up everything

Which is lame.

Wilson had the secrets to reverse death I think a better motive would've been I'm taking all said secrets with me.

Who is to say he wasn't planning to do exactly that?

It is implied that he had at least as large a role in the Lazarus Project as Miranda. It is also possible, though not certain, that he could have even had more of a hands on role in bringing back Shepard than Miranda. Certainly post-Lazarus he would have possessed the knowledge and the ability to bring back someone from the dead if the right tools and funding were at his disposal.

Maybe he planned to double dip, so to speak. He cashes out the first time by being paid handsomely by the Shadow Broker to betray Lazarus and turn over Shepard, and then cashes out a second time by selling his services to the highest bidder. Somewhere there has got to be a dying CEO, EZO baron, or some other extremely wealthy person willing to pay any amount to defeat death.

Wilson probably thought he was sitting on a gold mine. Unfortunately his get rich quick scheme ended with a ventilated cranium.

Yeah but the presentation was all off he was made to sound like a whinny douche bag in the final dialouge choces made and he didn't live long enough for us to find out.

I think he did have an even larger role then Miranda after all she's an agent and pencil pusher he's an actual doctor who would've been the one to put all her on paper ideas into motion. He had more access to him then anyone else, the longest hours spent and access to a huge portion of the infomation the only things he didn't or couldn't know where things like if they used dragons teeth or something similar how that actually effects the body if Miranda knew this info she may not have given it to him incase he was to turn.

She also shot him so easily, sure we've seen it done before but I got the impression this scene was longer where she would've explained what was actually happening if he was a double agent about to screw over both Cerberus and the SB in one motion. It just seems like Wilson was destined to have some sidequests made of him and his multiple betrayls but then was killed off via executive editors. Its not like the sereis couldn't have used some more backstabing and intrique.

Modifié par thehomeworld, 28 janvier 2014 - 01:06 .

[fchopin]

It was probably a trick to make Sheppard believe that Cerberus was not evil.

Bioware thinks we are stupid.