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[cato potato]

IamZAE wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

Maybe everyone with something to say should try to do a Glacier/Cerberus/Gold sub 20 with GI Talon, since it's so easy mode.

That's what I'm saying.

Ok ill get sub 20 FIRST TRY WITH ANY OBJECTIVE no armored kookpartments and i will post a screenshot. Sounds cool? Ill work on it as soon as i get home

How will we know it's your first try? How will we know you didn't use Armoured Compartments? How will we know you didn't jog with the pizza? How will we know you weren't using the 66666 glitch? How will we know you didn't get a teammate to help you through the game before they dropped out on wave 10? How will we know you didn't get a friend and better player to play on your behalf? How will we know you weren't using performance enhancing drugs?

We need:
Constant CCTV footage of you playing, with a copy of today's newspaper visible at all times.
A video of all your attempts in full, including your loadout.
An open N7HQ so we can screen for any character glitch abuses.
Full blood and urine samples to test for prohibited substances.

[The One True Crash]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Because all of that stuff like modding objectives, missile glitching, and modded builds are all in one category to me.

But that definition is wrong. 66666 builds are not something that can happen during the normal course of the game. You're just going "lolModded" without actually stopping to think about the impact that said mod would actually have. These objectives could have come up in the normal course of an unmodded game. Modding objectives (that you still have to handle and run stupid routes with the pizza to get that time) is nowhere near on the same level as missile glitching. He's not one shotting entire groups of mobs, he is aiming at the head and picking them off, same as you would have to do on console. The only difference is that he doesn't have to grind RNG for perfect objectives. I don't know how someone could break it down more than that. 

I'm glad you're not a biologist because you would try to classify bats, birds, and insects as the same species because the all had wings. 

By that logic. Then modding a game so that the ojectives wont come randomly is not a normal course of the game. It was meant to be random. Modding it to make it so you chose it instead of RNG is the same as missile glitching and 66666 builds all of which are not how the game was intended to be but modding it to make the game easier for the person. 

Again, I don't understand how someone could break it down more than I already did, but here it goes...

If you were speedrunning, you would just quit when you didn't get those objectives, and grind out until you got those objectives, ESPECIALLY when you are trying to break an already nigh-impossible time. He is saving his sanity and his time (which just so happens to be precious to some people) by cutting out the RNG. He's not modding so enemies deal no damage, he's not modding so he has more shields. This run could have occured organically. Why does the fact he can skip RNG bother you guys so much? It really reeks of jealousy to me, and jealousy is very unbecoming.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

I remember when I considered 15 minutes a decent time for a missile speedrun! 

[The One True Crash]

caineghis2500 wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Because all of that stuff like modding objectives, missile glitching, and modded builds are all in one category to me.

But that definition is wrong. 66666 builds are not something that can happen during the normal course of the game. You're just going "lolModded" without actually stopping to think about the impact that said mod would actually have. These objectives could have come up in the normal course of an unmodded game. Modding objectives (that you still have to handle and run stupid routes with the pizza to get that time) is nowhere near on the same level as missile glitching. He's not one shotting entire groups of mobs, he is aiming at the head and picking them off, same as you would have to do on console. The only difference is that he doesn't have to grind RNG for perfect objectives. I don't know how someone could break it down more than that. 

I'm glad you're not a biologist because you would try to classify bats, birds, and insects as the same species because they all had wings. 

Yer defending heldarion a bit too much bro. Chill out and take a deep breath

I'm prefectly chill and rational, you guys are just ridiculous. You cannot distinguish between ignoring RNG and completely breaking the game. 

And FFS, don't tell me to chill out. 

[Tyrant112580]

ArgentN7 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

I'm not bashing his skill at all. He is indeed one of the best overall. I just don't think modding should be counted as legit. That's all

yea, its not legit because we can't mod on console. It's unfair, and cheating to take luck out of the equation for the specific purpose of "getting a faster time" without all the trial and error, that is the "random" number generator

Couldn't agree more. 

[Lady Abstract]

CrashUrStox wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Because all of that stuff like modding objectives, missile glitching, and modded builds are all in one category to me.

But that definition is wrong. 66666 builds are not something that can happen during the normal course of the game. You're just going "lolModded" without actually stopping to think about the impact that said mod would actually have. These objectives could have come up in the normal course of an unmodded game. Modding objectives (that you still have to handle and run stupid routes with the pizza to get that time) is nowhere near on the same level as missile glitching. He's not one shotting entire groups of mobs, he is aiming at the head and picking them off, same as you would have to do on console. The only difference is that he doesn't have to grind RNG for perfect objectives. I don't know how someone could break it down more than that. 

I'm glad you're not a biologist because you would try to classify bats, birds, and insects as the same species because the all had wings. 

By that logic. Then modding a game so that the ojectives wont come randomly is not a normal course of the game. It was meant to be random. Modding it to make it so you chose it instead of RNG is the same as missile glitching and 66666 builds all of which are not how the game was intended to be but modding it to make the game easier for the person. 

Again, I don't understand how someone could break it down more than I already did, but here it goes...

If you were speedrunning, you would just quit when you didn't get those objectives, and grind out until you got those objectives, ESPECIALLY when you are trying to break an already nigh-impossible time. He is saving his sanity and his time (which just so happens to be precious to some people) by cutting out the RNG. He's not modding so enemies deal no damage, he's not modding so he has more shields. This run could have occured organically. Why does the fact he can skip RNG bother you guys so much? It really reeks of jealousy to me, and jealousy is very unbecoming.

Not true. I was going for a sub 15 speedrun duo not too long ago. We got devices twice and a pizza and it was still sub 20. Even if i were to get into gold solo speedruns i would still go through with it just to see my time even with the hard objectives. I would test myself. Something PC players know nothing about

[Caineghis2500]

CrashUrStox wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Because all of that stuff like modding objectives, missile glitching, and modded builds are all in one category to me.

But that definition is wrong. 66666 builds are not something that can happen during the normal course of the game. You're just going "lolModded" without actually stopping to think about the impact that said mod would actually have. These objectives could have come up in the normal course of an unmodded game. Modding objectives (that you still have to handle and run stupid routes with the pizza to get that time) is nowhere near on the same level as missile glitching. He's not one shotting entire groups of mobs, he is aiming at the head and picking them off, same as you would have to do on console. The only difference is that he doesn't have to grind RNG for perfect objectives. I don't know how someone could break it down more than that. 

I'm glad you're not a biologist because you would try to classify bats, birds, and insects as the same species because they all had wings. 

Yer defending heldarion a bit too much bro. Chill out and take a deep breath

I'm prefectly chill and rational, you guys are just ridiculous. You cannot distinguish between ignoring RNG and completely breaking the game. 

And FFS, don't tell me to chill out. 

Any tampering of game coding can be considered breaking

[Caineghis2500]

ArgentN7 wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

I'm not bashing his skill at all. He is indeed one of the best overall. I just don't think modding should be counted as legit. That's all

yea, its not legit because we can't mod on console. It's unfair, and cheating to take luck out of the equation for the specific purpose of "getting a faster time" without all the trial and error, that is the "random" number generator

Legit or gtfo

[Caldari Ghost]

caineghis2500 wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

caineghis2500 wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Because all of that stuff like modding objectives, missile glitching, and modded builds are all in one category to me.

But that definition is wrong. 66666 builds are not something that can happen during the normal course of the game. You're just going "lolModded" without actually stopping to think about the impact that said mod would actually have. These objectives could have come up in the normal course of an unmodded game. Modding objectives (that you still have to handle and run stupid routes with the pizza to get that time) is nowhere near on the same level as missile glitching. He's not one shotting entire groups of mobs, he is aiming at the head and picking them off, same as you would have to do on console. The only difference is that he doesn't have to grind RNG for perfect objectives. I don't know how someone could break it down more than that. 

I'm glad you're not a biologist because you would try to classify bats, birds, and insects as the same species because they all had wings. 

Yer defending heldarion a bit too much bro. Chill out and take a deep breath

I'm prefectly chill and rational, you guys are just ridiculous. You cannot distinguish between ignoring RNG and completely breaking the game. 

And FFS, don't tell me to chill out. 

Any tampering of game coding can be considered breaking

assuming all tampering results in breaking the game, which frankly isn't the case. It's possible to make the game more difficult by using the tools originally used to create the game and its difficulty .

[The One True Crash]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Not true. I was going for a sub 15 speedrun duo not too long ago. We got devices twice and a pizza and it was still sub 20. Even if i were to get into gold solo speedruns i would still go through with it just to see my time even with the hard objectives. I would test myself. Something PC players know nothing about

...but you didn't get sub-20. You needed optimal conditions to reach sub-15 and you didn't get them, WTF is the point? And lol at PC players not testing themselves, go get sub-13 on pc with a modded coalesced and say you didn't test yourself.

caineghis2500 wrote...

Any tampering of game coding can be considered breaking

FFS, he would have grinded until he got these objectives anyway. How do you keep missing this point?

[JewelsWinnfield]

RNG = Skill
Luck = Skill
Grinding = Skill
Modding = Pure evil

[Heldarion]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

Because all of that stuff like modding objectives, missile glitching, and modded builds are all in one category to me.

But that definition is wrong. 66666 builds are not something that can happen during the normal course of the game. You're just going "lolModded" without actually stopping to think about the impact that said mod would actually have. These objectives could have come up in the normal course of an unmodded game. Modding objectives (that you still have to handle and run stupid routes with the pizza to get that time) is nowhere near on the same level as missile glitching. He's not one shotting entire groups of mobs, he is aiming at the head and picking them off, same as you would have to do on console. The only difference is that he doesn't have to grind RNG for perfect objectives. I don't know how someone could break it down more than that. 

I'm glad you're not a biologist because you would try to classify bats, birds, and insects as the same species because the all had wings. 

By that logic. Then modding a game so that the ojectives wont come randomly is not a normal course of the game. It was meant to be random. Modding it to make it so you chose it instead of RNG is the same as missile glitching and 66666 builds all of which are not how the game was intended to be but modding it to make the game easier for the person. 

Again, I don't understand how someone could break it down more than I already did, but here it goes...

If you were speedrunning, you would just quit when you didn't get those objectives, and grind out until you got those objectives, ESPECIALLY when you are trying to break an already nigh-impossible time. He is saving his sanity and his time (which just so happens to be precious to some people) by cutting out the RNG. He's not modding so enemies deal no damage, he's not modding so he has more shields. This run could have occured organically. Why does the fact he can skip RNG bother you guys so much? It really reeks of jealousy to me, and jealousy is very unbecoming.

Not true. I was going for a sub 15 speedrun duo not too long ago. We got devices twice and a pizza and it was still sub 20. Even if i were to get into gold solo speedruns i would still go through with it just to see my time even with the hard objectives. I would test myself. Something PC players know nothing about

lol

Believe me, I tried to put up with every single objective. I really did, and it's not that they were hard, because hacks are ridiculously easy, as are targets. Even devices are doable, but they are tedious. The common denominator is that all of those effectively kill your chances of ever getting a time faster than 15 minutes because they inevitably take too long to complete. I have a gotten a bunch of 15:xx times with double hacks and such, but it's just banging one's head a the wall at this point and certainly not worth it.

Modifié par Heldarion, 25 janvier 2014 - 06:57 .

[The One True Crash]

Hendrix137 wrote...

RNG = Skill
Luck = Skill
Grinding = Skill
Modding = Pure evil

Quoting for emphasis. 

BTW, I totally need to get some games in with you if you are still playing (Alquinn too!). I need to see you OP scrubs in person 

[q5tyhj]

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

By that logic. Then modding a game so that the ojectives wont come randomly is not a normal course of the game. It was meant to be random. Modding it to make it so you chose it instead of RNG is the same as missile glitching and 66666 builds all of which are not how the game was intended to be but modding it to make the game easier for the person. 

Yeah, this still makes zero sense, just like the first time. Modding the games so you get the objectives you want is not really AT ALL comparable to missle glitching. Missle glitching never happens in the normal course of the game. Any particular combination of objectives does. Missle glitching gives you infinite one-hit-kill missles, modding objectives doesn't kill ANYTHING. 

#thinkb4posting. 

[IamZAE]

rcolol wrote...

So if he didn't have modded objectives, but got the same set of objectives from the RNG instead, you guys wouldn't be bashing him? What's the difference?

The differance is if he didnt mod his objectives that he would NEVER EVER get such a time even close because hes not skilled enough to handle the hacks ans devices and even targets quickly AND get a world record time... and he would die more often. The very nature of moddibg for pc objects that can be ran with INFINITELY changes the complexion of a speed run

[Caineghis2500]

ArgentN7 wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

ArgentN7 wrote...

QU33N_ANG3L wrote...

RedJohn wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

Notorious P I G wrote...

lol. Zae, you troll.

Impressive run btw.

Im not trolling im speaking my opinion. Why should i be impressed with a moded game with the most powerful kit/setup on gold with armored kookpartments1. Gold2. GI - op3. Talon - op4. GI+Talon - as ez mode as a TGI
5. Armored Compartments6. Hacked objectives7. Running with pizza.. (did u see that dragoon he ran away from with pizza)
Why should i be impressed?

Because under all those standards he still the one who can do it faster?

Calling this not valid just because objective is stupid because even without mod the files you can perfectly get that configuration, it would take more tries to get yes, but it is totally possible.


Now, if you tell me he is modifying any other value such as damage, health or even spawns then yes, but for objective that can be get under a normal situation?, Please...

Not that its invalid its just not impressive

so the gameplay isn't impressive.

ok.

Lol not the gameplay the time. He modded the game to make it easier on himself. He didnt have to put forth much effort. The mods took some of the load off of him.

Edit* Maybe I should rephrase the time is impressive I just find it hard to take serious due to the modding. That goes for anything though missile glitching, 66666 builds, modding anything to make the game easier I find hard to take serious. If people want to do it then to each their own im just saying

he didn't mod the game to make it easier, he modded the game so that objective waves would end more quickly.

Same thing argent. The pizza objectives are the most convenient objectives not just for time but for ease. They can literally sprint with the package. That's easy mode

[q5tyhj]

IamZAE wrote...

rcolol wrote...

So if he didn't have modded objectives, but got the same set of objectives from the RNG instead, you guys wouldn't be bashing him? What's the difference?

The differance is if he didnt mod his objectives that he would NEVER EVER get such a time even close because hes not skilled enough to handle the hacks ans devices and even targets quickly AND get a world record time... and he would die more often. The very nature of moddibg for pc objects that can be ran with INFINITELY changes the complexion of a speed run

Except, he could easily have gotten the exact same objectives, without modding, in which case his time would presumably be exactly the same... The only difference being he would have had to play 43 games to get the right objectives, and would've wasted an ungodly amount of time and equipment to get the exact same result. I don't see how/why this would make it any more impressive.

[The One True Crash]

q5tyhj wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

rcolol wrote...

So if he didn't have modded objectives, but got the same set of objectives from the RNG instead, you guys wouldn't be bashing him? What's the difference?

The differance is if he didnt mod his objectives that he would NEVER EVER get such a time even close because hes not skilled enough to handle the hacks ans devices and even targets quickly AND get a world record time... and he would die more often. The very nature of moddibg for pc objects that can be ran with INFINITELY changes the complexion of a speed run

Except, he could easily have gotten the exact same objectives, without modding, in which case his time would presumably be exactly the same... The only difference being he would have had to play 43 games to get the right objectives, and would've wasted an ungodly amount of time and equipment to get the exact same result. I don't see how/why this would make it any more impressive.

Because grinding takes skill and shows your dedication.

/s

[didacuscarr]

I bet, if someone would get perfect RNG in the first attempt it would be cheating too, right?

[IamZAE]

cato_84 wrote...

IamZAE wrote...

CrashUrStox wrote...

ClydeInTheShell wrote...

Maybe everyone with something to say should try to do a Glacier/Cerberus/Gold sub 20 with GI Talon, since it's so easy mode.

That's what I'm saying.

Ok ill get sub 20 FIRST TRY WITH ANY OBJECTIVE no armored kookpartments and i will post a screenshot. Sounds cool? Ill work on it as soon as i get home

How will we know it's your first try? How will we know you didn't use Armoured Compartments? How will we know you didn't jog with the pizza? How will we know you weren't using the 66666 glitch? How will we know you didn't get a teammate to help you through the game before they dropped out on wave 10? How will we know you didn't get a friend and better player to play on your behalf? How will we know you weren't using performance enhancing drugs?

We need:
Constant CCTV footage of you playing, with a copy of today's newspaper visible at all times.
A video of all your attempts in full, including your loadout.
An open N7HQ so we can screen for any character glitch abuses.
Full blood and urine samples to test for prohibited substances.

Now ur just being rascist.... just because ima thunderdome level spectre doesnt mean im on drugs

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

The human mind is so weird. Some people just aren't capable of applying simple logic to arrive at the correct conclusion while others do it with ease. Bizarre.

[q5tyhj]

Apparently...

[Lady Abstract]

Whatever lol if everyone wants to justify cheating i dont care. The reasoning behind why you modded the game doesnt matter to me cheating is cheating. But because you did it so you didnt have to deal with the rng randomizing the objectives makes it ok. Theres really no need to argue this anymore. Its all perspective at the end of the day.

[q5tyhj]

N7didacus wrote...

I bet, if someone would get perfect RNG in the first attempt it would be cheating too, right?

Clearly. Pretty much the same as missle glitching, really.