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[Kennastorm]

I'd like to thank BioWare for another great series. I'm still disappointed in the ending, but if the Indoctrination Theory turns out to be correct, then this will have been among the best series I've played so far.

What upsets me about the ending is that it isn't, in fact, an ending. It is a teaser and a segue' into another game. If the reapers are destroyed, then why continue? At best, the series devolves into a different version of the Modern Warfare series already in motion. We don't need another one of those. I would argue that most players don't want one--we already have Modern Warfare.

It occurs to me that, at best, this turns into another Assassin's Creed type series in which the game doesn't ever end. Every ending becomes an introduction into another game. Perhaps, as an old gamer, I've been a bit spoiled by having some games present an ending and then, you know, finish. Be done.

The gaming industry has evolved, and that's been great for a lot of reasons, especially considering that I grew up with 8-bit graphics. However, it becomes harder to invest in a series to play a game with a great story when you come to the understanding that there will never be an ending. That concept is a large reason I gave up on the Assassin's Creed franchise.

Add to this mess the DLC's that are released, and suddenly this whole discussion is turned sideways. Let me see if I can explain it in one sentence: "Buy the DLC, extended cut, and every other possible scrap of gameplay we create, or you won't get a decent ending--or be able to understand the one we make."

That sums it up pretty neatly. And it's disappointing. I bought the Trilogy because it was, to my knowledge, finished. I wanted a single player game that I could play after years of MMO's.  I wanted to be able to stop what I was doing and walk away without someone waiting for me to return. I wanted a story that was worth iinvesting my time into, and the Mass Effect universe was pretty amazing.

Until the "end".

A stopping point until the next game would be a better turn of phrase to describe the final moments of ME3. Additionally, forcing players to partake in a terriblly designed multiplayer to better their single player games is a great idea if it presents the possibility or unlocking weapons, armor, and other equipment. Tying multiplayer performance into the single player ending is a terrible idea, and insanely frustrating given what I was looking for as a consumer.

Let me say it again; don't tie multiplayer performance to single player story progression and endings.

In the end, this was a great series. I had a great time playing, and the story was compelling. But please, for the love of all that is holy, don't give us multiplayer requirements. Yeah, it's been patched and EMS isn't as affected by multiplayer now as it was in the past (if at all). The larger point is this: if Mass Effect is turned into either Modern Warfare or Assassin's Creed, I have to call it quits.

I've played BioWare games for years. Find that niche of gamers that just want to play a game with a good story and run with it. Hell, add DLC's too. But don't tie DLC content into ending scenarios. Don't force players into multiplayer. There are other titles doing that.

Also, if the Indoctrination Theory isn't true, I'm going to be furious.

Thank you.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Rage on. Indoctrination Theory is not true.

[His Name was HYR!!]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Rage on. Indoctrination Theory is not true.

Yup; thank you based extended-cut.

[AlexMBrennan]

If the reapers are destroyed, then why continue?

Isn't that like the idea behind every story ever told by mankind? Hero goes on epic quest and defeats the bad guys?

It occurs to me that, at best, this turns into another Assassin's Creed type series in which the game doesn't ever end. Every ending becomes an introduction into another game. Perhaps, as an old gamer, I've been a bit spoiled by having some games present an ending and then, you know, finish. Be done.

Sorry, I literally cannot understand what you are trying to say - on the one hand, it's bad if the Reaper story is over, but it is also bad if the Reaper story isn't over? What is it that you want?

Plus, indoctrination theory is even worse - did you really think you had defeated the Reapers? Lol, it was just a dream and you'll have to do it again for real which you could, in theory, repeat ad nauseam

However, it becomes harder to invest in a series to play a game with a great story when you come to the understanding that there will never be an ending.

You have an ending: Shepard defeated the Reaper threat. Just because the universe didn't explode doesn't mean that Shepard's quest is still ongoing.

"Buy the DLC, extended cut, and every other possible scrap of gameplay we create, or you won't get a decent ending--or be able to understand the one we make."

That applies to Leviathan only; EC was basically a patch to fix bugs in the ending, and the rest of the DLC is "One more adventure" side stories which are mostly unrelated to the Reaper threat.

Also, if the Indoctrination Theory isn't true, I'm going to be furious.

Haven't you heard? Bioware will be releasing the final piece of DLC revealing IT to be true next week!

Modifié par AlexMBrennan, 26 janvier 2014 - 02:28 .

[Rusty Sandusky]

 ITT

[GreyLycanTrope]

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Rage on. Indoctrination Theory is not true.

[dreamgazer]

Multiplayer itself wasn't "required".

[Br3admax]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

That applies to Leviathan only; EC was basically a patch to fix bugs in the ending, and the rest of the DLC is "One more adventure" side stories which are mostly unrelated to the Reaper threat.

Wait, the rest of the game was?

[TuringPoint]

IT was never intended. Neither was any continuation of Shepard's story.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

EntropicAngel wrote...

Didn't read past the second sentence.

Just let it die, friend. Let it go.

Just let it die and move on EA. Just do it.

[OdanUrr]

Kennastorm wrote...

Also, if the Indoctrination Theory isn't true, I'm going to be furious.

You do know this is 2014 and ME3 is over and done with, right?

[SwobyJ]

HYR 2.0 wrote...

sH0tgUn jUliA wrote...

Rage on. Indoctrination Theory is not true.

Yup; thank you based extended-cut.

But I love Extended Cut . It and even the other DLCs tell me all I need to know. So there
Then again, IT is only part of the puzzle


@OP: Eh, I'm annoyed too. For some reason though, I can take it for ME3. Just this time, and for just this example. Maybe I'm okay because I don't really buy many of these games that pull this. Like, I only have AC1 collecting dust on a shelf. ME3 is really the only game I have even played that does this.
Oh wait, yeah, I have FFXIII-2. That was some bullllll. It also means that I'm getting FFXIII:LR used in a used games bin sometime in 2014-2015. See - actions have consequences.

I do know that if Bioware pulls this stuff again for the next game, even if it's amazing, the most they'll get is my purchase of it (so yay for them! - and again it'll have to be amazing, and no preorder is happening), and then a promise to boycott their games for at least a few to several years (so boo for them!).
Basically, 'ME4' is my 'DAI'. The last chance. I enjoy ME3 for what it is. I always did. Never was a retaker (well maybe for a few days!).

Modifié par SwobyJ, 26 janvier 2014 - 02:47 .

[spirosz]

HYR 2.0 wrote...
thank you based extended-cut.

[RZIBARA]

lol indoctrination theory

next mass effect has nothing to do with original trilogy sadly, so go cry a river, no point in waiting

[SwobyJ]

I'm ready for a fresh start, a new lease on the MEU.

[DoomsdayDevice]

IT has never been debunked. Anyone who tells you that just doesn't like IT. Breath scene still happens at the very end, also in the EC.

That said, at this point I'm very doubtful if we'll ever see a follow up to it. Every time I play ME3 it really feels like it's not over, and we'll get more. But if we have to believe Bioware, it seems they're determined to leave Shepard in the rubble...

I can't even imagine what the next ME is going to be like.

All I know is the only way to doing a sequel without canonizing an ending is IT. I just don't see it happening, I guess.

Modifié par DoomsdayDevice, 26 janvier 2014 - 03:00 .

[SwobyJ]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

IT has never been debunked. Anyone
who tells you that just doesn't like IT. Breath scene still happens at
the very end, also in the EC.

That said, at this point I'm very
doubtful if we'll ever see a follow up to it. Every time I play ME3 it
really feels like it's not over, and we'll get more. But if we have to
believe Bioware, it seems they're determined to leave Shepard in the rubble,

I'll be damned if I know what the next ME is going to be like.

Cold (Blue) War.

Much more exploration.

Much more combat zone strategy, stealth.

Emphasis more on technology and advancement, instead of overt conflict and organic civlizations.

That stuff.

Still maintaining stuff from previous games, but with a refreshed look and feel, and building up of features so far left fairly neglected (especially in ME2-3).

That's what I think.

Modifié par SwobyJ, 26 janvier 2014 - 03:02 .

[Obadiah]

@Kennastorm
Dude, its a glorious story of Organic and Synthetic coming together to chart the future of civilization. And the ending is pretty damn final. What else could you possibly want?

[SwobyJ]

If you continue the more antagonistic stance against the Reapers (instead of 'stopping' them, you're going to 'kill' them and take revenge), then go Destroy, then see the breath scene in the original ending...

It's not enough. It's just not! You don't leave it hanging there! Jeez!

It's really only with EC and Citadel that a player can really come to peace with it, and I'm mostly just talking from my perspective there, haha.

Ending a trilogy with a breath inward in rubble..my god...

Modifié par SwobyJ, 26 janvier 2014 - 03:18 .

[AlanC9]

DoomsdayDevice wrote...

IT has never been debunked. Anyone who tells you that just doesn't like IT. Breath scene still happens at the very end, also in the EC.

How could IT be debunked? It's evidence-proof. Anything inconvenient for you guys can just be handwaved away as more indoctrination.