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[marcelo caldas]

StreetMagic wrote...

Ironically, Walters used Gladiator as inspiration for ME3. Particularly the dream bits, I think. Which, of course, suck.

hehehehe
for sure

[Argentoid]

StreetMagic wrote...

Ironically, Walters used Gladiator as inspiration for ME3. Particularly the dream bits, I think. Which, of course, suck.

Kind of sad to be inspried by such a movie. I mean, I liked Gladiadtor, but really? With thousands of movies and books out there to be inspired for dream/nightmare sequences he thought that the one that could best fit Shepard was the one from Gladiator?

Mac, u r 2deep4me

[Han Shot First]

Argentoid wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

NeonFlux117 wrote...

Derpy 'rieting' is just that. Derpy.

Best thing BW could do is go get back Drew K. 

How is bringing back the guy responsible for telepathic plants, mental ciphers, Project Lazarus, "Ah yes, Reapers" and the pointless plot of ME2 going to make thing any less "derpy" again?

But, yeah, Drew K. fanboys are certainly going to scrub. 

Drew K also isn't very good with character dialogue, and his proposed Dark Energy ending was worse than what we actually got in game. And he is responsible for the nonsense about humans being special because of their supposed genetic diversity. That is one of the biggest LOLWUT moments of the series. Humans aren't genetically diverse at all. In fact we are one of the least genetically diverse species on our own planet.

[JamieCOTC]

As much as I agree I have to wonder what we would have gotten had Allers and Kai Leng been cut.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Han Shot First wrote...

Drew K also isn't very good with character dialogue, and his proposed Dark Energy ending was worse than what we actually got in game. And he is responsible for the nonsense about humans being special because of their supposed genetic diversity. That is one of the biggest LOLWUT moments of the series. Humans aren't genetically diverse at all. In fact we are one of the least genetically diverse species on our own planet.

And the notion that reducing an objects mass can somehow lead to FTL speeds is similarly nonsensical, physically speaking. The MEU operates under a different set of laws, there's nothing wrong with humans being genetically diverse in a fictional setting.

[Argentoid]

StreetMagic wrote...

The genetic diversity was mostly important in relation to biotics, I think. Humanity was the new race next to Asari and Protheans who had this sweet spot of potential. Drell and Krogan do too, but they're pretty much extinct or problematic in some other way.

Dogs are more diverse than humans.

Reaper Dog could have saved the galaxy.

[Argentoid]

Oh, not to mention the whole ilogical

"We are trying to solve the whole Dark Energy thing, by making every single race use Dark Energy magic, not to mention creating Dark Energy devices that creates lots of Dark Energy."

Logic FTW

Chris L'Etoile was against Drew K's Dark Energy plot.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Isn't comparing ME3's endings to some notion of a very rough idea of a certain way to end the series pointless?

[Argentoid]

StreetMagic wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

The genetic diversity was mostly important in relation to biotics, I think. Humanity was the new race next to Asari and Protheans who had this sweet spot of potential. Drell and Krogan do too, but they're pretty much extinct or problematic in some other way.

Dogs are more diverse than humans.

Reaper Dog could have saved the galaxy.

Yeah, but what was on Drew's mind at the time was about biotics. Not diversity.

I know. I was just being funny.

Still, it's really stupid. Just imagine that in a parellel universe this kind of thing happened:

Drew stayed for ME3, he wrote the ending he wanted.

Believe me, no one would have liked such an ending. Everyone would hate him, or at least not to think anymore he is a talented writer or whatsoever, mirroring David Gaider.


Edit: I know the ending scenario for the Dark Energy plot. I still can't believe people hail Drew K. as an AWESOME writer. He is just ok. 

Modifié par Argentoid, 26 janvier 2014 - 09:28 .

[dreamgazer]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Isn't comparing ME3's endings to some notion of a very rough idea of a certain way to end the series pointless?

Not entirely, not when certain facts are known about it, such as the option to sacrifice humanity and the Reapers being made into "good guys" even more than they were in ME3's ending.  Any amount of exposition wouldn't be able to change those things. 

[Argentoid]

All to deem Shepard as the bad guy all along. What a twist.

[TurianRebel212]

Argentoid wrote...

All to deem Shepard as the bad guy all along. What a twist.

M. Knight Shamalyan or whatever his name is, should be the writer of the next game. 


What a Twist!!!

[Argentoid]

StreetMagic wrote...

Argentoid wrote...


Edit: I know the ending scenario for the Dark Energy plot. I still can't believe people hail Drew K. as an AWESOME writer. He is just ok. 

His books are entertaining at least (although I can read through one in half a day. Pretty light reading).

I've only read ME: Revelation (good read). I really liked the prologue, how he depicted the reaction of the human race at the discovery of the Prothean archives on Mars.
But I found Anderson uninteresting, though the plot was good enough to keep me going. His depiction of Saren was well written to say the least.

I was actually reading ME: Ascension, but I found the firsts chapters quite boring. So I stopped.

I agree, Drew is a good video game book writer. 

Would like to see Mac write a book though. 

Modifié par Argentoid, 26 janvier 2014 - 09:44 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

dreamgazer wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Isn't comparing ME3's endings to some notion of a very rough idea of a certain way to end the series pointless?

Not entirely, not when certain facts are known about it, such as the option to sacrifice humanity and the Reapers being made into "good guys" even more than they were in ME3's ending.  Any amount of exposition wouldn't be able to change those things. 

Are those really facts though? For all we know the writing team might have decided to change or revise those things after actually working on an actually story or working through several drafts. I'm not a writer myself but I assume those kinds of things happen. All I'm saying is that it's just a big 'what if' question that doesn't have an answer because there are to many unknowns.

[dreamgazer]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

All to deem Shepard as the bad guy all along. What a twist.

M. Knight Shamalyan or whatever his name is, should be the writer of the next game. 


What a Twist!!!

So ... you're equating Drew K.'s work with Shyamalan? Hm.  Little extreme, but alright.

[dreamgazer]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Isn't comparing ME3's endings to some notion of a very rough idea of a certain way to end the series pointless?

Not entirely, not when certain facts are known about it, such as the option to sacrifice humanity and the Reapers being made into "good guys" even more than they were in ME3's ending.  Any amount of exposition wouldn't be able to change those things. 

Are those really facts though? For all we know the writing team might have decided to change or revise those things after actually working on an actually story or working through several drafts. I'm not a writer myself but I assume those kinds of things happen. All I'm saying is that it's just a big 'what if' question that doesn't have an answer because there are to many unknowns.

Yes, there are infinite possibilities for what could have been.

Those, however, are known details about the dark energy "alternative" that people often champion. 

[TurianRebel212]

dreamgazer wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

All to deem Shepard as the bad guy all along. What a twist.

M. Knight Shamalyan or whatever his name is, should be the writer of the next game. 


What a Twist!!!

So ... you're equating Drew K.'s work with Shyamalan? Hm.  Little extreme, but alright.

Nah, Drew K was good. ME1 and ME2 were pretty stellar stories, if not simplistic and cheesy. 

ME1 and ME2 are space operas, so their main plot and missions are reflective of that. They remind me a lot of the Expanse novels-don't know if you read them, they're great. 

Scifi, but pretty soft and space operatic scifi. 

Drew did well. 

ME3... Not so much. It's very disjointed, un-organaized and just executed weakily. 

My favorite in the series is ME2. But recently, I got a decent PC and I bought ME1 and ME2 on steam sale. 


And I gotta say. ME1 is amazing on PC. Coming from XB version of ME1, the difference is astonishing. 

So, I'm really, really liking ME1 right now. I got ME2 too. 


Probably won't get ME3, lol. 

[GimmeDaGun]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

All to deem Shepard as the bad guy all along. What a twist.

M. Knight Shamalyan or whatever his name is, should be the writer of the next game. 


What a Twist!!!

So ... you're equating Drew K.'s work with Shyamalan? Hm.  Little extreme, but alright.

Nah, Drew K was good. ME1 and ME2 were pretty stellar stories, if not simplistic and cheesy. 

ME1 and ME2 are space operas, so their main plot and missions are reflective of that. They remind me a lot of the Expanse novels-don't know if you read them, they're great. 

Scifi, but pretty soft and space operatic scifi. 

Drew did well. 

ME3... Not so much. It's very disjointed, un-organaized and just executed weakily. 

My favorite in the series is ME2. But recently, I got a decent PC and I bought ME1 and ME2 on steam sale. 


And I gotta say. ME1 is amazing on PC. Coming from XB version of ME1, the difference is astonishing. 

So, I'm really, really liking ME1 right now. I got ME2 too. 


Probably won't get ME3, lol. 

Wow, it's strange. I found ME2 to be the weakest story-wise. It's all about the side missions, lore exploration and a bunch of characters. The story itself is weak and predictable and simple as a brick. 

The whole trilogy is a huge heap of cliches though, but mostly well presented. The real appeal of the games are the interesting sublots, the familiar yet original setting and lore, the couple of interesting, likeable or funny characters it introduces and its great atmosphere...and of course the spectacle. The main protagonist is lame and boring as a person but fun to play. The over-arching plot presents nothing spectacular, yet it is interesting enough to keep the player interested. 

To me ME1 is the best since it has a great feel of nostalgia to it. It's like watching an older generation, almost classic sci-fi movie. ME3 comes next: unlike ME2 it has a plot (I find it mostly solid), it holds some of the most memorable moments of the trilogy and it delves deeper into classic sci-fi territory. ME2 is great and entertaining, but lacks a solid and interesting plot, and I didn't find the overdose of characters a very good idea. Plus it made the Normandy into a love-boat... and I never thought that the whole LI issue would get so damn important. It's too space-opera-ish to me. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 26 janvier 2014 - 10:19 .

[TurianRebel212]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

All to deem Shepard as the bad guy all along. What a twist.

M. Knight Shamalyan or whatever his name is, should be the writer of the next game. 


What a Twist!!!

So ... you're equating Drew K.'s work with Shyamalan? Hm.  Little extreme, but alright.

Nah, Drew K was good. ME1 and ME2 were pretty stellar stories, if not simplistic and cheesy. 

ME1 and ME2 are space operas, so their main plot and missions are reflective of that. They remind me a lot of the Expanse novels-don't know if you read them, they're great. 

Scifi, but pretty soft and space operatic scifi. 

Drew did well. 

ME3... Not so much. It's very disjointed, un-organaized and just executed weakily. 

My favorite in the series is ME2. But recently, I got a decent PC and I bought ME1 and ME2 on steam sale. 


And I gotta say. ME1 is amazing on PC. Coming from XB version of ME1, the difference is astonishing. 

So, I'm really, really liking ME1 right now. I got ME2 too. 


Probably won't get ME3, lol. 

Wow, it's strange. I found ME2 to be the weakest story-wise. It's all about side missions, lore exploration and bunch of characters. The story itself is weak and predictable and simple as a brick. 

The whole trilogy is a huge heap of cliches though, but mostly well presented. The real appeal of the games are the interesting sublots, the familiar yet original setting and lore, the couple of interesting or likeable, funny characters it introduces and its great atmosphere...and of course the spectacle. The main protagonist is lame and boring as a person but fun to play. The over-arching plot presents nothing spectacular, yet it is interesting enough to keep the player interested. 

To me ME1 is the best since it has great feel of nostalgia to it. It's like watching an older generation, almost classic sci-fi. ME3 comes next: unlike ME2 it has a plot, some of the most memorable moments of the trilogy and it dwells deeper into classic sci-fi territory. ME2 is great, but lacks a solid and interesting plot, and I didn't find the overdose of characters a very good idea. Plus it made the Normandy into a love-boat... and I never thought that the whole LI issue would get so damn important. It's too space-opera-ish to me. 

Agree. ME2's main plot is simple and pretty straigtforward but it was interesting and well written for the most part (Horizon is a derp fest tho) but it's pretty good. 

And dat Suicide Mission.... Easily the best finale in gaming history. Maybe RE4 and Bioshock are close but ME2 is better I think. 

But like I said, I'm really liking ME1 on PC. It's pretty cool. 

[GimmeDaGun]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Argentoid wrote...

All to deem Shepard as the bad guy all along. What a twist.

M. Knight Shamalyan or whatever his name is, should be the writer of the next game. 


What a Twist!!!

So ... you're equating Drew K.'s work with Shyamalan? Hm.  Little extreme, but alright.

Nah, Drew K was good. ME1 and ME2 were pretty stellar stories, if not simplistic and cheesy. 

ME1 and ME2 are space operas, so their main plot and missions are reflective of that. They remind me a lot of the Expanse novels-don't know if you read them, they're great. 

Scifi, but pretty soft and space operatic scifi. 

Drew did well. 

ME3... Not so much. It's very disjointed, un-organaized and just executed weakily. 

My favorite in the series is ME2. But recently, I got a decent PC and I bought ME1 and ME2 on steam sale. 


And I gotta say. ME1 is amazing on PC. Coming from XB version of ME1, the difference is astonishing. 

So, I'm really, really liking ME1 right now. I got ME2 too. 


Probably won't get ME3, lol. 

Wow, it's strange. I found ME2 to be the weakest story-wise. It's all about side missions, lore exploration and bunch of characters. The story itself is weak and predictable and simple as a brick. 

The whole trilogy is a huge heap of cliches though, but mostly well presented. The real appeal of the games are the interesting sublots, the familiar yet original setting and lore, the couple of interesting or likeable, funny characters it introduces and its great atmosphere...and of course the spectacle. The main protagonist is lame and boring as a person but fun to play. The over-arching plot presents nothing spectacular, yet it is interesting enough to keep the player interested. 

To me ME1 is the best since it has great feel of nostalgia to it. It's like watching an older generation, almost classic sci-fi. ME3 comes next: unlike ME2 it has a plot, some of the most memorable moments of the trilogy and it dwells deeper into classic sci-fi territory. ME2 is great, but lacks a solid and interesting plot, and I didn't find the overdose of characters a very good idea. Plus it made the Normandy into a love-boat... and I never thought that the whole LI issue would get so damn important. It's too space-opera-ish to me. 

Agree. ME2's main plot is simple and pretty straigtforward but it was interesting and well written for the most part (Horizon is a derp fest tho) but it's pretty good. 

And dat Suicide Mission.... Easily the best finale in gaming history. Maybe RE4 and Bioshock are close but ME2 is better I think. 

But like I said, I'm really liking ME1 on PC. It's pretty cool. 

Yeah, ME1 is the best to me too. Since you're playing it on PC too, I recommend you this (if you haven't heard of it yet):

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/128/index/8565134/1

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 26 janvier 2014 - 10:21 .