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[dreamgazer]

chemiclord wrote...

Well, I suspect the "anyone and everyone can die" mechanic of the Suicide Mission has more to do with ME2 squadmates getting pushed off stage whenever possible than fan feedback.  They were probably blanching enough with permutations from Garrus ALONE being an active squaddie for ME3, and why there had to be heavy push from fans AND writers to get Tali wedged in late in development (and in the story).

Bingo.

[spirosz]

chemiclord wrote...
Turns out the answer was, "They didn't."

Bazinga. 

[dreamgazer]

spirosz wrote...

chemiclord wrote...
Turns out the answer was, "They didn't."

Bazinga. 

I wouldn't go quite that far, though.  They could have been avoided altogether. 

[TurianRebel212]

Bioware doesn't do great stories.

What they do is Great characters. And great character stories.

This is why ME2 was the best. And ME3 was the worst. ME1 had the benefit of it being "new" and the theme of discovery. ME2 didn't, and yet it exceled.

Why? Compelling characters. It's hard to imagine that any game will ever have has great of characters than ME2. Even Witcher has about 3 great characters including Geralt. GTA has alway's had great characters but if you were to take all the games in that series. It would be about 6 or 7. Uncharted has only 2. ME2 has about 10. So.... See, this is why ME2 is so special. Cause gameplay wise,there are more games that do shooting and RPG better than Mass Effect. Gears of War does 3rd person shooter better. And Elder scrolls, or Witcher or Dark souls, or Dragons Dogma and so on, do RPG better. So.... Yep.


ME3's characters were lame and weak. All of them. None of them, apart from Garrus of course, could hold up compared to ME2's dirty dozen.

Just my opinion tho.

[Mcfly616]

StreetMagic wrote...

I can't judge ME3 properly as a game on it's own. It has to be a good continuation of what came before for me to really like it. And in that sense, I feel like I've been transported into another version of Mass Effect. A lot of things I got used to are gone. I've tried to make an effort to ignore that, but the resentment doesn't go away. I can't help but think of what's not there. Now matter how much of what is there. And I can't help but feel resentment when I see how well other fans got treated. Some of us forced to be very aware of how valuable some fans are compared to us. It's not a cool feeling.

Weird....you just voiced my sentiments for ME2.

[TurianRebel212]

and Kai Lame is the worst villain ever.


They go from Saren and Harbinger, to Kai Leng......

Dafuq BioWare?

Dafuq!!!

[spirosz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Weird....you just voiced my sentiments for ME2.

Fair point.  

[Mcfly616]

Javik > the entire ME2 squad

[chemiclord]

Mcfly616 wrote...

That's like your car running like crap because you need an oil change, and you just junk it instead. That's a good approach.

Except your analogy is assuming that the problem is trivial and that you KNOW the problem is trivial (like an oil change).  It's not NEARLY that simple.

I'd say a more accurate analogy is your engine is smoking as you're going down the freeway.  It MIGHT just be your oil is old and may need changing.  It could be the oil is outright burning.  It could be the transmission belts wearing and are about to snap.  It could be the engine is about to fly out of the goddamn hood the next time you shift gears.

So you pull over, call a bunch of your friends, and ask them what could be wrong.  You get eight different opinions.  It really doesn't help, because you STILL don't know how serious the problem is.  But you have to make it to your destination on time.  Being late really isn't an option.

Do you make a quick fix hoping that solves the problem?  Or do you call your insurance company, have your old car towed, and get another one that gets you to your destination?

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

chemiclord wrote...
Turns out the answer was, "They didn't."

Bazinga. 

I wouldn't go quite that far, though.  They could have been avoided altogether. 

Probably should have. 

[dreamgazer]

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Bioware doesn't do great stories.

What they do is Great characters. And great character stories.

This is why ME2 was the best. And ME3 was the worst. ME1 had the benefit of it being "new" and the theme of discovery. ME2 didn't, and yet it exceled.

Debatable, given how poorly it related to the Reaper plot itself.  Karpyshyn really dropped the ball there.

ME3's characters were lame and weak. All of them. None of them, apart from Garrus of course, could hold up compared to ME2's dirty dozen.

I'd take James and Javik over at least half of the ME2 squad members.

[spirosz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Javik > the entire ME2 squad

No thanks. 

[TurianRebel212]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Javik > the entire ME2 squad

Meh... Although his trolling is EPIC. And for that he's top 10 ME characters. But he couldn't even make the team in ME2. He'd be JV or maybe the manager. 


But his sh!t talking in Citadel DLC is hilarious.  

"You are a trailblazer Shepard", lulz. :lol:

[Br3admax]

StreetMagic wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

Javik > the entire ME2 squad

Not to me. He's Renegade Control posing as a Destroy advocate.

And top it off, he's more depressing than Layne Staley and Kurt Cobain combined.

 Somebody's salty that the fanservice character was better than just about anyone else in the series. 

[dreamgazer]

spirosz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

chemiclord wrote...
Turns out the answer was, "They didn't."

Bazinga. 

I wouldn't go quite that far, though.  They could have been avoided altogether. 

Probably should have. 

(shrugs) Why?

I really liked some, didn't care for others.

[TurianRebel212]

dreamgazer wrote...

TurianRebel212 wrote...

Bioware doesn't do great stories.

What they do is Great characters. And great character stories.

This is why ME2 was the best. And ME3 was the worst. ME1 had the benefit of it being "new" and the theme of discovery. ME2 didn't, and yet it exceled.

Debatable, given how poorly it related to the Reaper plot itself.  Karpyshyn really dropped the ball there.

ME3's characters were lame and weak. All of them. None of them, apart from Garrus of course, could hold up compared to ME2's dirty dozen.

I'd take James and Javik over at least half of the ME2 squad members.

James is alright. He was voice acted pretty good by Freddy. Javik is the best "ME3" only charcter, easily. 

And like I said, BioWare doesn't do great stories. Even ME1's main plot was silly and utterly cheeeezy. But great space opera cheese. So was ME2. 

None of the games main story was great. It's a fairy tale space opera about a Space marine superhero who fights big giant allien machines things, and shoots the occasional merk in the face. That's ME story in a nutshell. 

[Mcfly616]

chemiclord wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...

That's like your car running like crap because you need an oil change, and you just junk it instead. That's a good approach.

Except your analogy is assuming that the problem is trivial and that you KNOW the problem is trivial (like an oil change).  It's not NEARLY that simple. 
I'd say a more accurate analogy is your engine is smoking as you're going down the freeway.  It MIGHT just be your oil is old and may need changing.  It could be the oil is outright burning.  It could be the transmission belts wearing and are about to snap.  It could be the engine is about to fly out of the goddamn hood the next time you shift gears.

So you pull over, call a bunch of your friends, and ask them what could be wrong.  You get eight different opinions.  It really doesn't help, because you STILL don't know how serious the problem is.  But you have to make it to your destination on time.  Being late really isn't an option.

Do you make a quick fix hoping that solves the problem?  Or do you call your insurance company, have your old car towed, and get another one that gets you to your destination?

that's your opinion. And seeing as how the Mako was entirely optional except for the 4 main missions (Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Ilos) and even then it was limited, I think your analogy is beyond over-the-top. You have a sky-is-falling mentality. The Mako was far from broken. And fyi, Planet Scanning was far worse. Especially considering it was mandatory in order to upgrade the Normandy. Sorry, but if I'm looking for a change of pace in gameplay I'd rather blow **** up with a space tank instead of scanning planets with a metal detector. 

Harbinger wasn't broken either. Yet people complained, and they wrote him off. That's not a recipe for success, nor does it help creativity. 

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

spirosz wrote...

chemiclord wrote...
Turns out the answer was, "They didn't."

Bazinga. 

I wouldn't go quite that far, though.  They could have been avoided altogether. 

Probably should have. 

(shrugs) Why?

I really liked some, didn't care for others.

As do I, I just find certain things could of been handled in a better fashion.  

[spirosz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Harbinger wasn't broken either. Yet people complained, and they wrote him off. That's not a recipe for success, nor does it help creativity. 

Blame Bioware, not the fans.