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[Br3admax]

StreetMagic wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Control isn't about controlling the galaxy, even with Renegade control.

I think it is. It's a whole spectrum of behavior. Or psychology, if you will. Doesn't matter if it's synthetics or organic evolution.

Whatever, I never saw it as that. I saw it as, Muhahahaha. It never really had any basis in logic.

I guess, although in the end, Aria also kept Omega on the map, and kept
it profitable. Is that really so wrong, even given what else she does?
There will always be crime, might as well make it profitable for
everyone. That's just how I see her handle that situation, and Patriarch
helped in her reining in of Omega.

I don't like it, but I don't know if it's "wrong" per se. What's funny if you go Paragon on Patriarch, then he actually compares you to Aria. Patriarch says "You'll remind her too much of herself." Paragon might be virtuous, but he'll use things instead of destroy them. Just like she does. And that's how it goes with the Synthetics too.

Lulz, the ending isn't about Destryoing Synthetics anymore than taking an antibiotic is about killing the healthy bacteria in your body. That's not the point at all. 

[liggy002]

Mcfly616 wrote...

chemiclord wrote...

Mcfly616 wrote...that's your opinion. And seeing as how the Mako was entirely optional except for the 4 main missions (Feros, Noveria, Virmire, Ilos) and even then it was limited, I think your analogy is beyond over-the-top. You have a sky-is-falling mentality. The Mako was far from broken. And fyi, Planet Scanning was far worse. Especially considering it was mandatory in order to upgrade the Normandy. Sorry, but if I'm looking for a change of pace in gameplay I'd rather blow **** up with a space tank instead of scanning planets with a metal detector. 

Harbinger wasn't broken either. Yet people complained, and they wrote him off. That's not a recipe for success, nor does it help creativity. 

The fan complaints are the smoking engine.  I think you are either don't remember, or are willfully ignorant, of just of venomous the feedback against Harbinger especially was.  The Mako, on the other hand, wasn't quite as bad, but there was a sizable chunk of fans ready to write off ME2 entirely if that "clunky whale of a vehicle" was brought back.

To a lot of players, they WERE broken, and no amount of fixing was going to change their minds.  Bioware had to make a choice, and in the end decided it wasn't worth attempting to fix them.

Meh....just like a sizable chunk of fans hate synthesis? And yet nearly every Mass Effect fan I meet "off" the internet prefers the option over the rest.

In case you havent noticed, people will complain about anything. That doesnt mean you trash a potentially good concept instead of refining it.

As I referenced before, people HATED Harby during ME2....yet they came back raging and begging for him to appear in DLC after he was completely left out of the vanilla campaign of ME3. And they raged even more when he didn't appear in any of them.


And that right there is a prime example of why it isn't always a good idea to throw out something entirely due to some negative feedback instead of refining it. You take criticism and you use it constructively.

It's almost as if they use the argument that people wanted him out as yet another excuse to not spend more money.  I could see EA cheaping out on this.  Boss battles and cinematics involving 2 km starships are expensive. 

[dreamgazer]

liggy002 wrote...

Boss battles and cinematics involving 2 km starships are expensive.

They're also fairly ridiculous.  Shepard's boss battle with the Rannoch Reaper being proof of this. 

[spirosz]

dreamgazer wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Boss battles and cinematics involving 2 km starships are expensive.

They're also fairly ridiculous.  Shepard's boss battle with the Rannoch Reaper being proof of this. 

I much prefer this Part at 4:35 compared to what we got in game.  

[dreamgazer]

StreetMagic wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

liggy002 wrote...

Boss battles and cinematics involving 2 km starships are expensive.

They're also fairly ridiculous.  Shepard's boss battle with the Rannoch Reaper being proof of this. 

Damn. One of the things I liked about ME3, and you hate it.

Hate's a strong word, but dem lazy lasers and Shepard's rolling ... 

It's still enjoyable, but man.  One was definitely enough.

[AlanC9]

chemiclord wrote...
The fan complaints are the smoking engine.  I think you are either don't remember, or are willfully ignorant, of just of venomous the feedback against Harbinger especially was.  The Mako, on the other hand, wasn't quite as bad, but there was a sizable chunk of fans ready to write off ME2 entirely if that "clunky whale of a vehicle" was brought back.

To a lot of players, they WERE broken, and no amount of fixing was going to change their minds.  Bioware had to make a choice, and in the end decided it wasn't worth attempting to fix them.

I imagine resources had more to do with the Mako's removal. There was nothing wrong with the Mako that putting a boatload more time into the planets couldn't have theoretically fixed, but Bio had better things to do with their time.

Harbinger, though....  that was just classic Villain Decay. No way to fix that.

[AresKeith]

AlanC9 wrote...

Harbinger, though....  that was just classic Villain Decay. No way to fix that.

I disagree

[AlanC9]

AresKeith wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Harbinger, though....  that was just classic Villain Decay. No way to fix that.

I disagree

About the diagnosis, or about the lack of cure? Or are you saying that Harbinger was actually popular?

[ImaginaryMatter]

Do we have a poll or something for Harbinger's likability?

And while we're on the subject of Harbinger:

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 28 janvier 2014 - 05:59 .

[AresKeith]

AlanC9 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Harbinger, though....  that was just classic Villain Decay. No way to fix that.

I disagree

About the diagnosis, or about the lack of cure? Or are you saying that Harbinger was actually popular?

Harbinger probably isn't popular but I disagree with the part that he couldn't be fix. When I felt that Arrival was atleast a step in the right direct when it came to making him better

[liggy002]

AresKeith wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Harbinger, though....  that was just classic Villain Decay. No way to fix that.

I disagree

About the diagnosis, or about the lack of cure? Or are you saying that Harbinger was actually popular?

Harbinger probably isn't popular but I disagree with the part that he couldn't be fix. When I felt that Arrival was atleast a step in the right direct when it came to making him better

I disagree.  Harbinger was quite a popular character.  There were elements that people didn't like about him in ME2 so Bioware mistakingly removed him in ME3.  The problem wasn't with Harbinger.... it was something along the lines of him speaking too much and spamming Shep with his lines.

[dreamgazer]

Read through the ME2 forums and other places on the web, liggy. Harby's got him some hate.

[AresKeith]

StreetMagic wrote...

edit: More to the point, a series like this deserves vision and planning. Not changing the ground underneath people.

This is what happens when you don't plan ahead

[AlanC9]

dreamgazer wrote...

Read through the ME2 forums and other places on the web, liggy. Harby's got him some hate.

This. Honestly, until ME3 shipped I thought almost everybody here thought he was ridiculous.

Modifié par AlanC9, 28 janvier 2014 - 07:45 .