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[RangerSG]

AlanC9 wrote...

I could never quite figure out why the Protheans installed a secret device in the middle if the Presidium Commons. Were they passing it off as a "monument" too?

Was it even meant to be 'secret' when the Ilos scientists put it in place? After all, their cycle was already over and the Reapers had returned to Dark Space. The Protheans had left the beacons as warnings. Perhaps they intended for the relay monument to serve as another such warning. A way to make races think about relay technology and perhaps stumble upon Ilos in time to prepare for the next cycle. 

Of course, the Asari and Salarians essentially locked down that possibility with their rules regarding private studies of Prothean Technology, or the Keepers, or pretty much anything else that might have allowed them to 'understand' the Citadel. 

[TheMyron]

StreetMagic wrote...

The Reapers aren't doing anything different with Ardat Yakshi than Asari are already trying: They attempt to control them (and/or keep them under control). The only way to do the race a favor is kill them.

Once your reaper-ized, you are dead. Exterminating them was evil, but, I hate to say it, but, I think it would be beneficial in the long run.

The AY gene gets eradicated, and no blood on organic hands.

[dreamgazer]

Folks tend to forget that the Protheans had become more technologically advanced than this cycle.

[Dean_the_Young]

dreamgazer wrote...

Yeah, it depends on the viability of the genes, I suppose, and how precise 1% really is in determining a pool.

Still, it seems like any old human can be turned to husks and repurposed into Praetorians and what-not.

But all us multiplayer nerds know that a banshee is worth more than a hundred husks.

Stupid underpowered human husks.

[TheMyron]

StreetMagic wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

StreetMagic wrote...

The Reapers aren't doing anything different with Ardat Yakshi than Asari are already trying: They attempt to control them (and/or keep them under control). The only way to do the race a favor is kill them.

Once your reaper-ized, you are dead. Exterminating them was evil, but, I hate to say it, but, I think it would be beneficial in the long run.

The AY gene gets eradicated, and no blood on organic hands.

Why do you think it was evil? It's like eradicating a disease, if you ask me. I see no use for it. Maybe in another lifetime, but they have no purpose with the way the rest of the galaxy has developed. Might say the same for Krogan - they seem to have no purpose other than to kick the **** out of everyone else. That's no a different than a disease either.

edit: Then again, Batarians say the same thing about us.

"You sir! You are a blight!"

Taking every HIV positive person and executing them to stamp out the disease would be beneficial, but would still be evil.

[AlanC9]

RangerSG wrote...
Was it even meant to be 'secret' when the Ilos scientists put it in place? After all, their cycle was already over and the Reapers had returned to Dark Space. 

What? The  Conduit terminal had to be present in the Citadel before the Reaper invasion. or the Prothean scientists couldn't have reached the Citadel

[TheMyron]

Don't get me wrong, I too, am very disgusted with Bioware's habits.

[dreamgazer]

Sounds a bit like a rachni discussion.

[eyezonlyii]

RangerSG wrote...

Well, most relays, according to lore, only switch to specific places. So there are limitations. And given Arrival blows up the Alpha Relay, which was chosen for its ability to provide galactic transit (perhaps the only one in the human/batarian sector to be able to, unless Arcterus can). So the Reapers were forced into literally months of FTL travel until they reached the Batarian home system, and could then jump through the network. So yes, they were limited/funneled until they reached another prime relay. 

Charon works the same way. It only links to Arcterus. It wasn't until humanity reached that they had freedom to access the network, as such (and discover that they had violated Council Law by reactivating a dormant mass relay, hence the First Contact War). 

So yes, the Reapers designed the relay network so that it would constrain travel. As I see it, that was no concern for them, because once a race discovered a mass relay, it would develop along the Reapers chosen lines. And they, unlike organics, suffered no detriment from months/years of FTL travel inside the galaxy to otherwise isolated systems. Add to that, given their usual plan, they would flood the network from the Citadel, and those outliers were a non-concern. 

Question: How does one join the galactic race from an uncharted system if it's against the law to acivate a dormant relay?

[Obadiah]

Stay up and try to get lucky?

[AlanC9]

eyezonlyii wrote...

Question: How does one join the galactic race from an uncharted system if it's against the law to acivate a dormant relay?

By breaking the law?

[Daemul]

One thing about the Asari that I will never understand is their stigma towards "purebloods". For nearly 50000 years the Asari had no other species with which they could mate with until the Salarians discovered the Citadel, so just what the hell was happening before that? Were the Asari mating with Lizards? Did they just use a bit of radiation like the Asari on Illium in ME2 claimed would be enough?

If the Asari were breeding with each other just fine before that then when in the hell did this stupid stigma towards pure asari begin? It cannot just be because of the Ardat-Yakshi, they only make up 1% of the population according to the codex, it's a rare genetic condition. This would be like Humans looking down on Human-Human couplings because a small percentage of humans will be born with Down Syndrome. It's bloody stupid and makes no sense at all.

[ImaginaryMatter]

Daemul wrote...

One thing about the Asari that I will never understand is their stigma towards "purebloods". For nearly 50000 years the Asari had no other species with which they could mate with until the Salarians discovered the Citadel, so just what the hell was happening before that? Were the Asari mating with Lizards? Did they just use a bit of radiation like the Asari on Illium in ME2 claimed would be enough?

If the Asari were breeding with each other just fine before that then when in the hell did this stupid stigma towards pure asari begin? It cannot just be because of the Ardat-Yakshi, they only make up 1% of the population according to the codex, it's a rare genetic condition. This would be like Humans looking down on Human-Human couplings because a small percentage of humans will be born with Down Syndrome. It's bloody stupid and makes no sense at all.

I think it's just something that the Asari regard as being outdated. I'm having trouble thinking about an appropriate parallel from human history. The only thing I can think of is the act of sacrificing animals from the Old Testament of the Bible to forgive one's sins. This act was replaced with the crucifiction of Jesus. So while sacrificing animals before Jesus was considered necessary and most likely not looked down upon, the same act after the crucifiction would probably result in some level of scorn from the Christian community.

It's not a perfect analogy but it's the best I can think of.

[RangerSG]

AlanC9 wrote...

RangerSG wrote...
Was it even meant to be 'secret' when the Ilos scientists put it in place? After all, their cycle was already over and the Reapers had returned to Dark Space. 

What? The  Conduit terminal had to be present in the Citadel before the Reaper invasion. or the Prothean scientists couldn't have reached the Citadel

Why? The relay system was still active after the Reapers left. Ilos had access to the Mu Relay. And the Reapers must restart the Citadel hub before they return to dark space, or no one would ever be able to use it. They could've jumped to the Citadel via normal traffic, finalized installing the Conduit, and then done their 'refinement' to the Keepers that stopped them from obeying the Reapers in the current cycle and locking them out of the Citadel except via Ilos.

[RangerSG]

eyezonlyii wrote...

RangerSG wrote...

Well, most relays, according to lore, only switch to specific places. So there are limitations. And given Arrival blows up the Alpha Relay, which was chosen for its ability to provide galactic transit (perhaps the only one in the human/batarian sector to be able to, unless Arcterus can). So the Reapers were forced into literally months of FTL travel until they reached the Batarian home system, and could then jump through the network. So yes, they were limited/funneled until they reached another prime relay. 

Charon works the same way. It only links to Arcterus. It wasn't until humanity reached that they had freedom to access the network, as such (and discover that they had violated Council Law by reactivating a dormant mass relay, hence the First Contact War). 

So yes, the Reapers designed the relay network so that it would constrain travel. As I see it, that was no concern for them, because once a race discovered a mass relay, it would develop along the Reapers chosen lines. And they, unlike organics, suffered no detriment from months/years of FTL travel inside the galaxy to otherwise isolated systems. Add to that, given their usual plan, they would flood the network from the Citadel, and those outliers were a non-concern. 

Question: How does one join the galactic race from an uncharted system if it's against the law to acivate a dormant relay?

As Alan said, they break the law without knowing it. Or they get discovered by a current relay-using race, like the Krogan, Elcor, and other associate races were.

[Wayning_Star]

Unless we're informed of who designed the crucible (the protheans only worked on it, didn't actually design it..) as well as authored the choices menus, we'll have to assume that the catalyst wanted the shepard to decide the fate of the MEU. For all we know shepard was designed for that purpose. Someone knew how to resurrect shepard, I wonder why?

[DesioPL]

If we talking about Husks.

I miss the husks from ME1, i mean that electrical nova that disable your shields.

[Massa FX]

AlexMBrennan wrote...

I always thought Earth was an early target because that's where Shepard was. The Reapers would have learned her location from the Batarians they'd captured/harvested/huskified/indoctrinated.

Yes, I'm sure the Alliance keep random Baterians (aren't they technically almost at war?) briefed on Shepard's whereabouts much like we post the home addresses of all Seal Team operates in Baghdad main square.

Oh I don't know. "A disgraced Shepard" being on trial @ Earth might tip off  her location to the galaxy... or might not? I don't think the Alliance needs to keep "random Baterians" briefed on Shepards whereabouts. Shepard being the reculse that she is... I'm sure no-one paid any attention to the first human spectre (savior of the citadel, defeater of the collectors) being arrested, put on trial, removed from command, and then detained. That's not news... Those public service announcements on the Citadel talking about Shepard 6 months later ... meant nothing.

Shhhh. Hush. Shepards incognito. Hidden. She's not a public figure. Not famous... and NOT on Earth!



Seriously. The whole galaxy knew Shepard was on Earth and why. The Batarians being the first race attacked and their dislike of Shepard...   I'd say its not a stretch that the Reapers came after Earth 2nd without giving out her street address or putting her exact location on display in public squares.

[DesioPL]

Too bad, that Bioware didin't readded Ilos in ME3. I think it would be worth visit Ilos again, and look for any informations about Crucible from Prothean cycle.

Even Javik could be usefull here, since he knows about Ilos, but not much what he wanted.