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[acid_rain82]

I would prefer a flail.

[Br3admax]

"I hate Skyrim, but I want every game to be like it."
"I hate Dark Souls, but I want the enemy layout of it."

Qistina, never change.

[superdeathdealer14]

Sooo...... us westerners are somehow extremely lazy at making games.... rigghttt.

[Veruin]

Qistina wrote...

the final product itself show....

It's not lazy just because the game isn't up to YOUR standards.

[Darth Death]

The title suggest spears are a necessity, they're not.

[CybAnt1]

Oh cool, the WRPG vs. JRPG debate, but with a "they can't help but make 'em that way" twist.

All I can say is, as I don't have a gaming console, and JRPGs rarely make it to PC gaming, I just have no dog in this hunt.

I mean, I hate to say it, but no, I have never played any Final Fantasy. I haven't seen the movie. I do like anime, though.

[Kidd]

Qistina wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote..
Yes, so in total there are about as many unique character movesets moving about (though I'm guessing many of them are still loaded in and out of memory as you traverse the world - it'd be a waste of memory that can be used for other things not to do this). Those enemies still don't have 10+ active skills that can be activated at any time like a DA follower. Mind you, there's four of those memory hogs in DA. That's over 40+ skills with their own animations on top of standard animations.

The lame popular excuse is "the resources can be spend elsewhere", where?

Please don't respond to me while arguing the points of another. It seems incredibly disingenous. I have never said anything similar to the words you seemingly put in my mouth just now.

Though development focus is definitely a thing (something that may keep spears out of DA forever even when the PS360 generation is phased out, theoretically), I've never talked about that. I was saying there is likely no more room in the Playstation 3's system memory to make spears a worthwhile pursuit as long as DA remains a real-time game.

[Sith Grey Warden]

metatheurgist wrote...

Gwinever wrote...
In fact, the sword is the most used weapon in history, wether as a main weapon or as a side arm it allway's saw action in the field in the end.

I have no hard figures but my gut says the AK47 would be the most used weapon in history.

the AK47 has been around for fewer than 100 years. The spear dominated battlefields for millennia. Besides, we're talking weapon classes, so you'd compare the assault rifle in general.

now that I think about it, if you just look at a specific make of one exact weapon, I wouldn't be surprised if the AK47 was the most used.

[Tarek]

only game that had spears was morrowind... I miss it :<

[Knight of Dane]

Qistina wrote...

Diablo 2 have it also, Amazon is specialized in spear, javelin, bow and crossbow. Barbarian specialized in all weapons

It's been a long time since I played Diablo 2 but I seem to recall that the spear (if not most weapons) only had one attacking animation.

Assuming that the combat system in DA:I is going to be anything like 2 it will have to have several animations (for a attack combo chain)

[General TSAR]

Do you know what's even more dangerous than pointy sticks? A plank of wood.....with a nail in it!

[Br3admax]

Qistina wrote...

It's been a long time since I played Diablo 2 but I seem to recall that the spear (if not most weapons) only had one attacking animation.

yes, but it is a very ancient game, having limited animation at that time is acceptable. Other than Diablo, Morrowind have spear, but afterward, spear is gone...because the reasons i stated. Games are over simplified in the west. The western developers don't like complexity and details, but they like big money...

Except for the fact that even in your lovehateSkyrim, there are enemies that use spears. Maybe they just don't want you to have them. Maybe because a lot of people will look right over them anyway. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

You don't see spears usually because they're a pain to work into combat mechanics and sometimes other aspects of the game just take priority or the developer doesn't have the know how of how to do it well enough to bother with it.

Also at this point I feel you can basically play madlibs with Qistina's post and achieve the same effect.
"Western game developers do ______ because they're lazy/prejudiced/controlled by the Illuminati."

[spirosz]

I'm right here, Spear hoes.

[CybAnt1]

Uhhh, without getting into the main topic (sorry, bad habit), plenty of WRPGs have featured spears and other polearms.

[Rusty Sandusky]

 New Vegas had spears

[Han Shot First]

Sith Grey Warden wrote...

metatheurgist wrote...

Gwinever wrote...
In fact, the sword is the most used weapon in history, wether as a main weapon or as a side arm it allway's saw action in the field in the end.

I have no hard figures but my gut says the AK47 would be the most used weapon in history.

the AK47 has been around for fewer than 100 years. The spear dominated battlefields for millennia. Besides, we're talking weapon classes, so you'd compare the assault rifle in general.

now that I think about it, if you just look at a specific make of one exact weapon, I wouldn't be surprised if the AK47 was the most used.

Technically it can be argued that the spear never truly vanished.

When you attach a bayonet to a rifle you've converted it into a crude short spear. The hand-to-hand combat techniques taught to modern soldiers or Marines are basically spear fighting tactics.

Of course hand-to-hand combat is something of a rarity in modern warfare, but it hasn't completely disappeared yet.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Trust me, if we end up in an actual melee in todays battlefield, then the **** has already hit the fan in such a major way, that you being in a melee is probably the least of your concerns.

But I agree. The bayonet attached to a rifle, is technically a spear (the same concept and all), and we do get some rudimentary trainning in it (where to stab for maximum damage inflicted and all that). But in over 20 years of service I havn't ever even heard of someone who had to actually make use of their bayonet. I don't think it has seen "common" usage since the Vietnam War.

[Han Shot First]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Trust me, if we end up in an actual melee in todays battlefield, then the **** has already hit the fan in such a major way, that you being in a melee is probably the least of your concerns.

But I agree. The bayonet attached to a rifle, is technically a spear (the same concept and all), and we do get some rudimentary trainning in it (where to stab for maximum damage inflicted and all that). But in over 20 years of service I havn't ever even heard of someone who had to actually make use of their bayonet. I don't think it has seen "common" usage since the Vietnam War.

There were at least a couple instances from Iraq.

Here is a rather graphic description of one.

There were a couple instances of the US Marines in hand-to-hand combat as well. There was one incident early in the war where a company that came into contact with Fedeyeen in dense marshland fixed bayonets and routed them. Also there was some hand-to-hand fighting in the Battle of Najaf:

The marines described engaging in hand-to-hand fighting in the vast cemetery, which lies adjacent to the ancient Imam Ali mosque, a golden-domed shrine that is one of the holiest in Shiite Islam. The 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which returned to Iraq recently after taking part in the American-led invasion last year, had endured the fiercest battle of all its engagements in Iraq, the commanders said.

''The engagements in the cemetery were done on foot, encountering numerous fighters at a range when you can smell a man, and it's hand-to-hand combat,'' said Col. John Mayer, who leads the battalion that took part in the fighting.

link

Also there was this incident where British soldiers launched a bayonet charge in Iraq.

In general though, I agree that hand-to-hand combat is exceedingly rare.
 

Modifié par Han Shot First, 27 janvier 2014 - 10:19 .

[Wothen]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Also there was this incident where British soldiers launched a bayonet charge in Iraq.

In general though, I agree that hand-to-hand combat is exceedingly rare.
 

lol
Someone has been playing Warhammer 40k Imperial Guards too much

Modifié par Wothen, 27 janvier 2014 - 10:22 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

n7stormrunner wrote...

Qistina wrote...

Japanese and Asians are dedicated to their works, they have less controversy, less rest they just work work work and they love their work to the perfection, if there is defect it is after they give their best to the fullest, we can accept it as human limit...

But Skyrim, DA and so many western games? We cannot accept the excuse...western peoples love to distract themselves, corrupted, not seeking perfection but love making interests and love to take opportunity in controversies for marketing, depend on it for sales....

am I going to get an answer?

Considering Qistina said 'we' in the first paragraph of this incredibly racist comment, the answer is most likely yes they are asian or of asian descent. 

[EmperorSahlertz]

Han Shot First wrote...
There were at least a couple instances from Iraq. 

Here is a rather graphic description of one. 

There were a couple instances of the US Marines in hand-to-hand combat as well. There was one incident early in the war where a company that came into contact with Fedeyeen in dense marshland fixed bayonets and routed them. Also there was some hand-to-hand fighting in the Battle of Najaf:

The marines described engaging in hand-to-hand fighting in the vast cemetery, which lies adjacent to the ancient Imam Ali mosque, a golden-domed shrine that is one of the holiest in Shiite Islam. The 11th Marine Expeditionary Unit, which returned to Iraq recently after taking part in the American-led invasion last year, had endured the fiercest battle of all its engagements in Iraq, the commanders said.

''The engagements in the cemetery were done on foot, encountering numerous fighters at a range when you can smell a man, and it's hand-to-hand combat,'' said Col. John Mayer, who leads the battalion that took part in the fighting.

link

Also there was this incident where British soldiers launched a bayonet charge in Iraq.

In general though, I agree that hand-to-hand combat is exceedingly rare.
 

I know it happens, but **** has hit the fan in those cases. You really don't want to be in those situations. But the cases were an entire squad or platoon actually fixes bayonets, are exceedingly rare. If you compare some of the more modern wars like Afghanistan and Iraq to Vietnam for instance.
Most of the trainning for hand-to-hand combat we recieve is primarily psycho-conditioning, since the hope is that we won't ever really need it. It is primarily to condition us to be willing to kill, even if we can actually look the target in the eyes.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 27 janvier 2014 - 10:38 .

[Han Shot First]

Wothen wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Also there was this incident where British soldiers launched a bayonet charge in Iraq.

In general though, I agree that hand-to-hand combat is exceedingly rare.
 

lol
Someone has been playing Warhammer 40k Imperial Guards too much

That reference is lost on me.

(never played it)

[EmperorSahlertz]

Warhammer 40k is a tabletop game set in the distant future of mankind. In this future the mass charge of conscripted soldiers has become popular again, since it is far easier to repalce soldiers if you have 800 trillion subjects in your Imperium, and technology is difficult to maintain, and even more so to replicate. So the commanders of the Imperial army would rather fix the problem by a mass infantry charge, than risk losing a battle tank.

Modifié par EmperorSahlertz, 27 janvier 2014 - 11:01 .

[Han Shot First]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Warhammer 40k is a tabletop game set in the distant future of mankind. In this future the mass charge of conscripted soldiers has become popular again, since it is far easier to repalce soldiers if you have 800 trillion subjects in your Imperium, and technology is difficult to maintain, and even more so to replicate. So the commanders of the Imperial army would rather fix the problem by a mass infantry charge, than risk losing a battle tank.

Gotcha.

And thanks.