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[Sylvius the Mad]

Han Shot First wrote...

Spears are polearms.

Longspears are polearms.  Pikes are polearms.

Shortspears are not polearms.  They're one-handed weapons, often paired with a shield.

[Sylvius the Mad]

-Skorpious- wrote...

I thought weapons weren't restricted anymore in Inquisition? Or was that just armor?

Based on Laidlaw's comments in the PAX demo, it sounds very much like weapons are class-restricted again.

Which is unfortunate.

[MDCT506]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

I highly doubt maneuvering spears in narrow corridors is quite the problem you make it out to be and even so you seem to be forgetting the more important point of fighting in a narrow corridor, would you rather be swinging a greatsword or trusting a spear in narrow spaces? Also I really have no idea why the people of Thedas would be unable to perceive the usefulness of a spear, care to enlighten me?

In close quarters, I'd say a heavy shield and a well-balanced stabbing sword are superior to both, so neither of your choices seem appealing.  The guy with the shield and sword pins the spear to the wall using the shield and stabs the spear wielder in the face.  Combat is over, collect xp and loot, minus the spear. 

As for the Thedosian perceptions on spears, I never said that they were unable to percieve the spear's usefulness, but rather that their perception of how and where a spear is useful may be different fron ours.  They may simply see it as useful only in massed infantry combat and not as a weapon to be used by an individual. 

BTW, I am actually in favor of spears and polearms making their way into the game.  There, however may be a bit of in-universe reasoning behind the lack of them in the past two games.  IMO though, weapon variety is better, but historical accuracy to "Midieval" Europe is overrated. 

Edit:  For Grammar!

Modifié par MDCT506, 30 janvier 2014 - 09:19 .

[Maiden Crowe]

MDCT506 wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

I highly doubt maneuvering spears in narrow corridors is quite the problem you make it out to be and even so you seem to be forgetting the more important point of fighting in a narrow corridor, would you rather be swinging a greatsword or trusting a spear in narrow spaces? Also I really have no idea why the people of Thedas would be unable to perceive the usefulness of a spear, care to enlighten me?

In close quarters, I'd say a heavy shield and a well-balanced stabbing sword are superior to both, so neither of your choices seem appealing.  The guy with the shield and sword pins the spear to the wall using the shield and stabs the spear wielder in the face.  Combat is over, collect xp and loot, minus the spear. 

As for the Thedosian perceptions on spears, I never said that they were unable to percieve the spear's usefulness, but rather that their perception of how and where a spear is useful may be different fron ours.  They may simply see it as useful only in massed infantry combat and not as a weapon to be used by an individual. 

BTW, I am actually in favor of spears and polearms making their way into the game.  There, however may be a bit of in-universe reasoning behind the lack of them in the past two games.  IMO though, weapon variety is better, but historical accuracy to "Midieval" Europe is overrated. 

Edit:  For Grammar!

Well sure in close quarters it might not be the best weapon as the spear's greatest advantage is its length but then isnt that why multiple types of weapons were used? No one weapon excells in every conceivable situation and certain weapons perform better than others in certain situations, if you somehow manage to pin the spear user to the wall and get past the length of their spear then unless they have a back up weapon I dont think they would stand much of a chance but that wasn't what we were talking about were we?

Also what is this condition you speak of that makes the people of Thedas blind to the other uses of a spear? One would think that its usefulness in massed infantry combat would be the last thing that comes to the mind of the common folk when thinking about spears let alone its other uses besides.

[MDCT506]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Well sure in close quarters it might not be the best weapon as the
spear's greatest advantage is its length but then isnt that why multiple
types of weapons were used? No one weapon excells in every conceivable
situation and certain weapons perform better than others in certain
situations, if you somehow manage to pin the spear user to the wall and
get past the length of their spear then unless they have a back up
weapon I dont think they would stand much of a chance but that wasn't
what we were talking about were we?

Also what is this condition you speak of that makes the people of Thedas blind to the other uses of a spear? One would think that its usefulness in massed infantry combat would be the last thing that comes to the mind of the common folk when thinking about spears let alone its other uses besides.

What we were talking about was wether the spear was ideal for tunnel fighting compared with other weapons (such as the greatsword you brought up). 

On the other topic, generally speaking, the massed infantry are the common folk in midieval warfare.  They are drafted off their farms, handed a weapon, given basic instruction in its use and told to die for some noble with a fancy hat.  They aren't well educated or skilled warriors and they likely don't care about warfare or weapons beyond simple survival on the battlefield. 

At any rate I think we're splitting hairs over this, so I'll just stop here. 

[Maiden Crowe]

MDCT506 wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Well sure in close quarters it might not be the best weapon as the
spear's greatest advantage is its length but then isnt that why multiple
types of weapons were used? No one weapon excells in every conceivable
situation and certain weapons perform better than others in certain
situations, if you somehow manage to pin the spear user to the wall and
get past the length of their spear then unless they have a back up
weapon I dont think they would stand much of a chance but that wasn't
what we were talking about were we?

Also what is this condition you speak of that makes the people of Thedas blind to the other uses of a spear? One would think that its usefulness in massed infantry combat would be the last thing that comes to the mind of the common folk when thinking about spears let alone its other uses besides.

What we were talking about was wether the spear was ideal for tunnel fighting compared with other weapons (such as the greatsword you brought up). 

On the other topic, generally speaking, the massed infantry are the common folk in midieval warfare.  They are drafted off their farms, handed a weapon, given basic instruction in its use and told to die for some noble with a fancy hat.  They aren't well educated or skilled warriors and they likely don't care about warfare or weapons beyond simple survival on the battlefield. 

At any rate I think we're splitting hairs over this, so I'll just stop here. 

Yes and a tunnel is the ideal spot for a spear being that there isnt so much room to move side to side but plenty of space to deliver a good thrust.

Also is the sole purpose of the common folk to die for a noble in a fancy hat? Is this really the only reason they would pick up a spear or even see one used?

[Red Panda]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

MDCT506 wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Well sure in close quarters it might not be the best weapon as the
spear's greatest advantage is its length but then isnt that why multiple
types of weapons were used? No one weapon excells in every conceivable
situation and certain weapons perform better than others in certain
situations, if you somehow manage to pin the spear user to the wall and
get past the length of their spear then unless they have a back up
weapon I dont think they would stand much of a chance but that wasn't
what we were talking about were we?

Also what is this condition you speak of that makes the people of Thedas blind to the other uses of a spear? One would think that its usefulness in massed infantry combat would be the last thing that comes to the mind of the common folk when thinking about spears let alone its other uses besides.

What we were talking about was wether the spear was ideal for tunnel fighting compared with other weapons (such as the greatsword you brought up). 

On the other topic, generally speaking, the massed infantry are the common folk in midieval warfare.  They are drafted off their farms, handed a weapon, given basic instruction in its use and told to die for some noble with a fancy hat.  They aren't well educated or skilled warriors and they likely don't care about warfare or weapons beyond simple survival on the battlefield. 

At any rate I think we're splitting hairs over this, so I'll just stop here. 

Yes and a tunnel is the ideal spot for a spear being that there isnt so much room to move side to side but plenty of space to deliver a good thrust.

Also is the sole purpose of the common folk to die for a noble in a fancy hat? Is this really the only reason they would pick up a spear or even see one used?

Maybe, there's the fact that said noble owns the land they're on a nd can easily take it away?

Might be a good motivation there.

[Maiden Crowe]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

MDCT506 wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Well sure in close quarters it might not be the best weapon as the
spear's greatest advantage is its length but then isnt that why multiple
types of weapons were used? No one weapon excells in every conceivable
situation and certain weapons perform better than others in certain
situations, if you somehow manage to pin the spear user to the wall and
get past the length of their spear then unless they have a back up
weapon I dont think they would stand much of a chance but that wasn't
what we were talking about were we?

Also what is this condition you speak of that makes the people of Thedas blind to the other uses of a spear? One would think that its usefulness in massed infantry combat would be the last thing that comes to the mind of the common folk when thinking about spears let alone its other uses besides.

What we were talking about was wether the spear was ideal for tunnel fighting compared with other weapons (such as the greatsword you brought up). 

On the other topic, generally speaking, the massed infantry are the common folk in midieval warfare.  They are drafted off their farms, handed a weapon, given basic instruction in its use and told to die for some noble with a fancy hat.  They aren't well educated or skilled warriors and they likely don't care about warfare or weapons beyond simple survival on the battlefield. 

At any rate I think we're splitting hairs over this, so I'll just stop here. 

Yes and a tunnel is the ideal spot for a spear being that there isnt so much room to move side to side but plenty of space to deliver a good thrust.

Also is the sole purpose of the common folk to die for a noble in a fancy hat? Is this really the only reason they would pick up a spear or even see one used?

Maybe, there's the fact that said noble owns the land they're on a nd can easily take it away?

Might be a good motivation there.

Uh what? What exactly is the point you are trying to make there?

[Red Panda]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

MDCT506 wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Well sure in close quarters it might not be the best weapon as the
spear's greatest advantage is its length but then isnt that why multiple
types of weapons were used? No one weapon excells in every conceivable
situation and certain weapons perform better than others in certain
situations, if you somehow manage to pin the spear user to the wall and
get past the length of their spear then unless they have a back up
weapon I dont think they would stand much of a chance but that wasn't
what we were talking about were we?

Also what is this condition you speak of that makes the people of Thedas blind to the other uses of a spear? One would think that its usefulness in massed infantry combat would be the last thing that comes to the mind of the common folk when thinking about spears let alone its other uses besides.

What we were talking about was wether the spear was ideal for tunnel fighting compared with other weapons (such as the greatsword you brought up). 

On the other topic, generally speaking, the massed infantry are the common folk in midieval warfare.  They are drafted off their farms, handed a weapon, given basic instruction in its use and told to die for some noble with a fancy hat.  They aren't well educated or skilled warriors and they likely don't care about warfare or weapons beyond simple survival on the battlefield. 

At any rate I think we're splitting hairs over this, so I'll just stop here. 

Yes and a tunnel is the ideal spot for a spear being that there isnt so much room to move side to side but plenty of space to deliver a good thrust.

Also is the sole purpose of the common folk to die for a noble in a fancy hat? Is this really the only reason they would pick up a spear or even see one used?

Maybe, there's the fact that said noble owns the land they're on a nd can easily take it away?

Might be a good motivation there.

Uh what? What exactly is the point you are trying to make there?

I saw something I disagreed with. Being that it's a forum, I felt I had to indulge the temptation of debate to a degree most satisfactory.

Still, I admit spears would be a useful weapon indeed. I doubt the animators think so however.

[Maiden Crowe]

OperatingWookie wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

MDCT506 wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Well sure in close quarters it might not be the best weapon as the
spear's greatest advantage is its length but then isnt that why multiple
types of weapons were used? No one weapon excells in every conceivable
situation and certain weapons perform better than others in certain
situations, if you somehow manage to pin the spear user to the wall and
get past the length of their spear then unless they have a back up
weapon I dont think they would stand much of a chance but that wasn't
what we were talking about were we?

Also what is this condition you speak of that makes the people of Thedas blind to the other uses of a spear? One would think that its usefulness in massed infantry combat would be the last thing that comes to the mind of the common folk when thinking about spears let alone its other uses besides.

What we were talking about was wether the spear was ideal for tunnel fighting compared with other weapons (such as the greatsword you brought up). 

On the other topic, generally speaking, the massed infantry are the common folk in midieval warfare.  They are drafted off their farms, handed a weapon, given basic instruction in its use and told to die for some noble with a fancy hat.  They aren't well educated or skilled warriors and they likely don't care about warfare or weapons beyond simple survival on the battlefield. 

At any rate I think we're splitting hairs over this, so I'll just stop here. 

Yes and a tunnel is the ideal spot for a spear being that there isnt so much room to move side to side but plenty of space to deliver a good thrust.

Also is the sole purpose of the common folk to die for a noble in a fancy hat? Is this really the only reason they would pick up a spear or even see one used?

Maybe, there's the fact that said noble owns the land they're on a nd can easily take it away?

Might be a good motivation there.

Uh what? What exactly is the point you are trying to make there?

I saw something I disagreed with. Being that it's a forum, I felt I had to indulge the temptation of debate to a degree most satisfactory.

Still, I admit spears would be a useful weapon indeed. I doubt the animators think so however.

Yeah but what exactly are you disagreeing with? Not sure what exactly your post has to do with what I was saying?

[Red Panda]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

OperatingWookie wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

MDCT506 wrote...

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Well sure in close quarters it might not be the best weapon as the
spear's greatest advantage is its length but then isnt that why multiple
types of weapons were used? No one weapon excells in every conceivable
situation and certain weapons perform better than others in certain
situations, if you somehow manage to pin the spear user to the wall and
get past the length of their spear then unless they have a back up
weapon I dont think they would stand much of a chance but that wasn't
what we were talking about were we?

Also what is this condition you speak of that makes the people of Thedas blind to the other uses of a spear? One would think that its usefulness in massed infantry combat would be the last thing that comes to the mind of the common folk when thinking about spears let alone its other uses besides.

What we were talking about was wether the spear was ideal for tunnel fighting compared with other weapons (such as the greatsword you brought up). 

On the other topic, generally speaking, the massed infantry are the common folk in midieval warfare.  They are drafted off their farms, handed a weapon, given basic instruction in its use and told to die for some noble with a fancy hat.  They aren't well educated or skilled warriors and they likely don't care about warfare or weapons beyond simple survival on the battlefield. 

At any rate I think we're splitting hairs over this, so I'll just stop here. 

Yes and a tunnel is the ideal spot for a spear being that there isnt so much room to move side to side but plenty of space to deliver a good thrust.

Also is the sole purpose of the common folk to die for a noble in a fancy hat? Is this really the only reason they would pick up a spear or even see one used?

Maybe, there's the fact that said noble owns the land they're on a nd can easily take it away?

Might be a good motivation there.

Uh what? What exactly is the point you are trying to make there?

I saw something I disagreed with. Being that it's a forum, I felt I had to indulge the temptation of debate to a degree most satisfactory.

Still, I admit spears would be a useful weapon indeed. I doubt the animators think so however.

Yeah but what exactly are you disagreeing with? Not sure what exactly your post has to do with what I was saying?

I'm honestly not sure, but even then, I can still attempt to discuss and make my opinion known in the glorious matter that is debate.

[Maiden Crowe]

Ok you lost me, you wanted to enter the debate but had no idea what you were debating?

[Red Panda]

Maiden Crowe wrote...

Ok you lost me, you wanted to enter the debate but had no idea what you were debating?

The idea is about spears, that much I can gather, but I really am not too certain past that.

I however love debating. It's fun.

Still, spears are great in my opinion. It's just my preference.