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[saMoorai]

CrustyBot wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

CrustyBot wrote...

"i'm not a homophobe, BUT"

Hahaha, that always ends well.

Dunno, sometimes you have to make sure around here. 

Dammit, now I want to watch Trigun again.

You f*cking should. Trigun is the greatest.

[Thomas Andresen]

My point is that since we don't know anything about transgenders's treatments other than a single example in a different society, we can't say for sure it wouldn't happen.

Seriously? Who says any treatment is required? Transgender is about gender expression and gender identity, not about the parts you have between your legs. Maevaris' body was definitely male, based on the art I've seen, and I'm sure someone who read the comics - or even better, have them on hand - could verify.

Maevarious is from one of the DA comics and is Varric's cousin

Also, she's not directly related to Varric, but rather the widow of his cousin.

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 28 janvier 2014 - 01:43 .

[jncicesp]

AresKeith wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

Theyre better than 'playersexual'? or equal to?

I think that set sexuality is better than playersexual

You could always just pretend that theyre bi or something (If you only ever play as one gender its easy to think theyre only interseted in one gender..thats what I do I Guess)and thats a set sexuality?

I did that in me2 with 6 characters pretending they just didnt want anyone it wasnt hard and took my mind off of it.

[mopotter]

jncicesp wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

In Origins on the gender option in the character creation it says stuff about both  being regarded as equals..the only thing that is really different sides some people calling you a man or woman is who is interested in you

Not every impact needs to be huge but that's the result of choosing what gender you want to play as

It wasnt in Dragon age two really and that was the only one I could stand playing as a different gender long enough to beat the game. 

In Origins the only romance restictions were for gender but they did make each race a little different and that was cool, why not just do that with gender. it takes nothing away  and adds stuff to the game.

Honestly in my opinion, I feel that it cheapens the characters just to satisfy players who don't want to deal with the fact that a character they want to romance isn't interested in said gender

And it doesn't add stuff to the game

So does making Alistair Become king Or Merrill  killing her demon mirror..or any of the big choices with a party member but thats a big part of the game, you dont have to talk to anyone at all if you dont want them to seem cheap.

If it really is that important to a character then they shouldnt be romancable at all. Like Aveline who ended up with Donnic

It adds more to a party member cause you have a slightly different  romance with them so if youre really interseted in them you can make a lot of characters and see everything that character say/react to.
thats kinda neat, right? da2 had a few different lines like that without doing it over the top or weird

i hope they do have another Aveline type character.  It was my favorite parts in DA2.

[AresKeith]

jncicesp wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

Theyre better than 'playersexual'? or equal to?

I think that set sexuality is better than playersexual

You could always just pretend that theyre bi or something (If you only ever play as one gender its easy to think theyre only interseted in one gender..thats what I do I Guess)and thats a set sexuality?

I did that in me2 with 6 characters pretending they just didnt want anyone it wasnt hard and took my mind off of it.

I don't play as one gender, in games like this I always play both a male and female character

And I find it really hard to believe you can imagine that in ME2 when they basically do show that they have a preference

Also, as a few pointed out earlier in the thread it seems like the LI's for DA:I are gonna have a set sexuality/preference 

Modifié par AresKeith, 28 janvier 2014 - 01:48 .

[CybAnt1]

Make them set (sexualities), and someone will write a mod to make them bi, or just the opposite orientation. Or just the perennial 'universal-playersexual'.

That happens constantly. This is easy coding - all you usually have to do is change a flag.

In a way, the only reason we need to have this discussion is because we probably won't have mods for this game. Well, that, and yeah, the console folks can't use them.

Modifié par CybAnt1, 28 janvier 2014 - 01:46 .

[The Elder King]

@Thomas Anderson: I was talking about how people treat transgenders, not sex change treatments.
I honestly don't understand why you'd think I was talking about the latter, since we were discussing about the former.

Modifié par hhh89, 28 janvier 2014 - 01:53 .

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Serendipity is a transwoman working at the Blooming Rose, and has a cameo in the Mark of the Assassin DLC as tacky comic relief and escort to Seneschal Bran.

While we're on the subject, I wouldn't mind a transgender romance. Provided the character was written well and had significant importance/integration into the main story arc.

I understand that there would be people against it, but my beef with romances has always been with the 'Bond Girl' type aspect to them that leads to simple fantasy wish fulfillment (which is even more pronounced with Dragon Age 2's playersexual slant). Though I've been labelled an undercover bigot for expressing that view, so IDK.

I'm not against it if the game's tone provides for enough leeway that it doesn't detract from the experience Alpha Protocol is a good example, it has almost literal Bond Girls type romances, but there is a 'B-Grade Bond Ripoff' feel to it, so it works. Besides, Steven Heck is my only LI in that game. <3

But it almost always leads to a better story if romance is used as a storytelling device and integrated into the main story in a meaningful way, as opposed to treating it as a game feature or side content to placate some of BioWare's more emotionally needy fans.

And if BioWare wants to be taken seriously as writing good stories and characters, they can probably do better with regards to romance than "Skyrim + moar words and cutscenes".

Modifié par CrustyBot, 28 janvier 2014 - 01:57 .

[eyezonlyii]

I like the option of characters having set preferences as well so long as the romances for everyone are taken seriously. For example in ME3 I liked the fact that I ad an option between Kaidan and Steve. Both were very well done men. However, I didn't like the fact that in DA:O, all I had was Zevran because he didn't seem to take a romance seriously for either gender.
Anyway, I would be ok with a few party romances and some NPC romances so long as the latter got some content to enjoy the company of the Inquisitor when s/he is not...uh..inquiring...as well.

[jncicesp]

AresKeith wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

Theyre better than 'playersexual'? or equal to?

I think that set sexuality is better than playersexual

You could always just pretend that theyre bi or something (If you only ever play as one gender its easy to think theyre only interseted in one gender..thats what I do I Guess)and thats a set sexuality?

I did that in me2 with 6 characters pretending they just didnt want anyone it wasnt hard and took my mind off of it.

I don't play as one gender, in games like this I always play both a male and female character

That still doesnt take them away from having a set sexuality though I dont think so anyway
...its not a voiceless pov game with a flat personality or anything, They like your character which you only have two gender options. you could set your own restrictions  and not flirt with a character if youre playing as a gender you dont want them to like. thats pretty easy to do in Dragon age they have more relationship options than just romantic or sexual.

[Thomas Andresen]

I was talking about how people treat transgenders, not sex change treatments.

Oh, right. I'll readjust.

I still disagree with your assumption though, and will stick to mine.

I honestly don't understand why you'd think I was talking about the latter, since we were discussing about the former.

I... rereading your post, I honestly can't quite say.

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 28 janvier 2014 - 01:58 .

[Inquisitor Recon]

No sexuality at all, because the BSN isn't mature enough tbh. Also it's toxifying the environment here.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

Inquisitor Recon wrote...

No sexuality at all, because the BSN isn't mature enough tbh. Also it's toxifying the environment here.

Don't listen to this guy, BioWare. 

If it were up to him, the only LIs would be anthropomorphic ponies with nymphomaniac tendencies.

[AresKeith]

jncicesp wrote...

That still doesnt take them away from having a set sexuality though I dont think so anyway
...its not a voiceless pov game with a flat personality or anything, They like your character which you only have two gender options. you could set your own restrictions  and not flirt with a character if youre playing as a gender you dont want them to like. thats pretty easy to do in Dragon age they have more relationship options than just romantic or sexual.

That's the thing though, I shouldn't have to do that. The characters themselves should do that, they should turn down your flirts with them because of their preferences whether it's gender, or if you're a blood mage, (I would even pull in race as an example)

[jncicesp]

AresKeith wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

Theyre better than 'playersexual'? or equal to?

I think that set sexuality is better than playersexual

You could always just pretend that theyre bi or something (If you only ever play as one gender its easy to think theyre only interseted in one gender..thats what I do I Guess)and thats a set sexuality?

I did that in me2 with 6 characters pretending they just didnt want anyone it wasnt hard and took my mind off of it.

I don't play as one gender, in games like this I always play both a male and female character

And I find it really hard to believe you can imagine that in ME2 when they basically do show that they have a preference

Also, as a few pointed out earlier in the thread it seems like the LI's for DA:I are gonna have a set sexuality/preference 

I only play as female I know they do have set prefernces or at least undefined but I got passed it on my 2nd playthough...Thane says he was married and Garrus mentioned someone and Jack said she slept with.. people... None of that tells me they are interested in anyone(anymore at least).

If thats the case I know im going to be annoyed/sad/upset but Ill deal with it again,

[Hellion Rex]

I kind of would like a romance where it is an extremely slow build, and you have to work for it.

[AresKeith]

eluvianix wrote...

I kind of would like a romance where it is an extremely slow build, and you have to work for it.

I think that's Cassandra 

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I kind of would like a romance where it is an extremely slow build, and you have to work for it.

I think that's Cassandra 

+1 

Cassandra Saturn certainly required me to work at it for a while, but I won her over with hard work and mountains of cyber on her profile wall.

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I kind of would like a romance where it is an extremely slow build, and you have to work for it.

I think that's Cassandra 

Dammit, we have to have a male equivalent, now!

Hmmm, maybe that Warden...a doomed romance perhaps? He seems to be of an age where he might be nearing his Calling. That could an extremely pleasing romance, even though his years are finite.

[Olwydd]

I don't really mind so long as the player is provided with a choice, regardless of their orientation. And by 'choice', I do not mean the choice between the one available LI and nothing, which is what DAO had. If you were a gay warden, you got Zevran or nothing, and if you were a lesbian warden, it was either Leliana or... also nothing. At least in DAII, there was a choice. And you know what? That was grand. A player-sexual / all-bi cast is simply the most practical solution to the problem. It gives everyone a choice.

Sure, in a world of unlimited resources, they could make a bit of everything. It'd be great to have a gay LI companion, or several. But there likely won't be more than 4 or 5 LIs, at which point it really makes no sense to arbitrarily restrict romances to certain genders to fulfill a certain 'realism' quota. The game does not need to be reflective of real-world demographics. It is A) a made-up universe, and a ****ing game. In a setting were sexuality is not a huge issue and no follower's story arc is dependent upon them being of any particular orientation, I don't really see how such a thing would profoundly influence their character.

And if someone's fun is somehow impinged by the very idea of someone else gaining content that they can enjoy, well, I'm not sure what to say...

[AresKeith]

eluvianix wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

I kind of would like a romance where it is an extremely slow build, and you have to work for it.

I think that's Cassandra 

Dammit, we have to have a male equivalent, now!

Dorian? or that mustache guy? or that elf mage (who may or may not be Dorian)?

Hmmm, maybe that Warden...a doomed romance perhaps? He seems to be of an age where he might be nearing his Calling. That could an extremely pleasing romance, even though his years are finite.

I dunno about that, besides my opinion that him (and Varric) shouldn't be a romance option, that seems like something that couldn't be done right

Modifié par AresKeith, 28 janvier 2014 - 02:10 .

[spirosz]

Did someone say...

[spirosz]

Just kidding.

[Hellion Rex]

spirosz wrote...

Did someone say...

NO. no no no no. NO ONE SAID ANYTHING!!!!!!!

[jncicesp]

AresKeith wrote...

jncicesp wrote...

That still doesnt take them away from having a set sexuality though I dont think so anyway
...its not a voiceless pov game with a flat personality or anything, They like your character which you only have two gender options. you could set your own restrictions  and not flirt with a character if youre playing as a gender you dont want them to like. thats pretty easy to do in Dragon age they have more relationship options than just romantic or sexual.

That's the thing though, I shouldn't have to do that. The characters themselves should do that, they should turn down your flirts with them because of their preferences whether it's gender, or if you're a blood mage, (I would even pull in race as an example)

Thats interesting, somethings only there cause its implied to you from whoever wrote the character. I never seen any character make a point to mention what they like to the point I think its set  aside from Isabela...even if they come on to you like Alistair.

Liking more than gender still is a set preference for a character.

Restrictions on what you do in the actual game would be cool....cause I think thats what they keep saying about DAI..choices being important. 
So far the only race that  turned you down that I know of is human.(Aveline) Even Tallis is ok with you, shes Qunari

Modifié par jncicesp, 28 janvier 2014 - 03:12 .