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[LPPrince]

daveliam wrote...

Again, I'd prefer they go the route of ME 3 with multiple romance options for all players and everyone having a set orientation.  However, given that the rumor is that DA: I is going to have less resources devoted to romance, I have to support the all bisexual approach so I don't feel like I'm getting less content based on my sexual orientation. 

Where'd that rumor come from?

[KaiserShep]

I've only read that it's being overhauled so that instead of gifts and such, it will be based on the events that occur in the game and "variables specific to each character". It'll be interesting to see what that means exactly. I thought it was pretty good that BioWare did away with the tons of gifts thing in DA:O. It was too easy to cheat your way into high approval.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 31 janvier 2014 - 01:49 .

[LPPrince]

That much is certain.

[Veruin]

KaiserShep wrote...

I've only read that it's being overhauled so that instead of gifts and such, it will be based on the events that occur in the game and "variables specific to each character". It'll be interesting to see what that means exactly. I thought it was pretty good that BioWare did away with the tons of gifts thing in DA:O. It was too easy to cheat your way into high approval.

I wouldn't mind gift spam returning, since it was optional in Origins.

[Br3admax]

Veruin wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I've only read that it's being overhauled so that instead of gifts and such, it will be based on the events that occur in the game and "variables specific to each character". It'll be interesting to see what that means exactly. I thought it was pretty good that BioWare did away with the tons of gifts thing in DA:O. It was too easy to cheat your way into high approval.

I wouldn't mind gift spam returning, since it was optional in Origins.

Because people on BSN know what optional means. <_<

[David Gaider]

Br3ad wrote...
Because people on BSN know what optional means. <_<

zing!

Modifié par David Gaider, 31 janvier 2014 - 03:39 .

[Veruin]

Br3ad wrote...

Because people on BSN know what optional means. <_<

Oh right.  "How dare you give me this option!  I feel compulsed to select/do it now and it could've been avoided if you just didn't do it in the first place!"

[luna1124]

Options good

[Felya87]

As long as it doesn't end up as in ME3, where straigh femShep is condamned to get into girls in the mayority of cases...I'm quite ok.
but if I have to choose, I would prefer an expanded version of the DA:O way (maybe with at least two gay romance exclusives) since I found a little confusing the characters change of sexual orientation based on the character I play (and I always play more than one time the game)
and usually, some restrictions are just a good excuse to start a new game with a total different character.
example: I played ME and DA:O with bot male and female characters, since one of my curiosity was seeing a Jack and Morrigan romace. in DA2, I don't even know what voice have maleHawke, since...well, why should I play a game with a different character, since I can have the same with my classic one?

so, I'm all for some restrictions and variety in the romance options.

[LPPrince]

Br3ad wrote...

Because people on BSN know what optional means. <_<

A developer should sig the hell out of that.

Its reasons like this that push me away from posting in this section, actually. I used to heavily post in the DA and ME sections, but the overwhelming notion I've received is that some folks treat the most minor/optional of things like they're the most important part of the game, and it gets annoying.

Then when I want to be serious when discussing something(like romance for example), I notice that I'm surrounded by people who make a mockery of it. I'm trying to talk about characterization of romance options and how the connection between them and the PC can be affected by the player's character's identity of whom and what they are. Turns out its surrounded by "The things I would do to this man's chin"

Course, I'm probably guilty of it myself when it comes to some aspects. Its far too easy to be blind to your own actions if they've become a regular part of your interactions with others.

I care quite a bit about the quality of romances in these games, but I'll always accept that they're optional and by no means a requirement to the experience.

Rannoch is fine in Mass 3, but its improved vastly with a Tali romance.

The Dark Ritual of DAO is quite the event, but it takes on a whole new level with a Morrigan romance.

I hope Inquisition yet again makes romance unnecessary to the experience, but quite the extra spice to have atop the main course.

Modifié par LPPrince, 31 janvier 2014 - 04:36 .

[Tarek]

David Gaider wrote...

Br3ad wrote...
Because people on BSN know what optional means. <_<

zing!

plz check out the pics i post

might inspire the modeling guys

[Tinxa]

Br3ad wrote...

Veruin wrote...

KaiserShep wrote...

I've only read that it's being overhauled so that instead of gifts and such, it will be based on the events that occur in the game and "variables specific to each character". It'll be interesting to see what that means exactly. I thought it was pretty good that BioWare did away with the tons of gifts thing in DA:O. It was too easy to cheat your way into high approval.

I wouldn't mind gift spam returning, since it was optional in Origins.

Because people on BSN know what optional means. <_<

Yeah, everytime I see people complaining about the HORRIBLE gift mechanic in DAO I think to myself: "If you thought getting approval with gifts was so horrible WHY did you USE them!?!?!"

[Dabrikishaw]

I too would like to see gift spam come back.

[Paul E Dangerously]

DAO, though I know that won't happen.

I will settle for not having to take penalties for not being railroaded into a relationship. Hint. Hint.

[Grieving Natashina]

Sopa de Gato wrote...

DAO, though I know that won't happen.

I will settle for not having to take penalties for not being railroaded into a relationship. Hint. Hint.

I suspect you're talking about Anders hitting on a male!Hawke first.  If it is, I'll be the first to tell you why David did that.  I watched a vid a couple of days ago.  David mentioned that the reason why he had Anders hit on the PC first is because he felt it was unrealistic to have the PC make the first move every time.  I'm not sure where the "railroaded" part comes in.  That CAD comic is exaggerating, as anyone who's played the game recently knows.

As far as the rivarly points, he said that it shouldn't be considered a huge deal. The reasoning being that if you go pro-Mage, the rivarly is easy to overcome (which is very true) and if you're pro-Templar, you're gonna be Anders' rival anyways.

Edit: He talks about it in his blog here.

Modifié par Starsyn, 31 janvier 2014 - 08:30 .

[Paul E Dangerously]

Starsyn wrote...

Sopa de Gato wrote...

DAO, though I know that won't happen.

I will settle for not having to take penalties for not being railroaded into a relationship. Hint. Hint.

I suspect you're talking about Anders hitting on a male!Hawke first.  If it is, I'll be the first to tell you why David did that.  I watched a vid recently.  David mentioned that the reason why he had Anders hit on the PC first is because he felt it was unrealistic to have the PC make the first move every time.  As far as the rivarly points, he said that it shouldn't be considered a huge deal. The reasoning being that if you go pro-Mage, the rivarly is easy to overcome (which is very true) and if you're pro-Templar, you're gonna be Anders' rival anyways.

The problem with this mentality is that the vast majority of Rivalry/Friendship points have to do with character motivations and Hawke's reaction toward them. Pro-Mage, Anti-Mage, and so on. "He doesn't want in Anders' pants" is an oddity when you look at damn near every other such gain/loss point in the game.

Besides being very poorly timed.

[Grieving Natashina]

I agree about the timing, but I never saw it as any kind of huge deal. I reject him, I see rivalry pop up. I felt that was pretty realistic, to be honest. He hits on you, he's rejected and he's hurt. However, he gets over it, especially if you show dedication to the mages.

I also felt this quote by David was relevant:

One, the double standard. I suppose in the future we should just suck up the fact that men hitting on men causes a lot more squick than women hitting on women… because nobody brings up Isabela hitting on female players without being flirted with first, only Anders. And those are the only two romance characters who do it. We talked about it and thought, “Why not? Seems fair.” The reactions have sometimes been pretty funny, but overall probably not worth the trouble.

Modifié par Starsyn, 31 janvier 2014 - 08:32 .

[DRTJR]

I didn't mind Ander's hitting on male Hawke since I ALWAYS shut him down, and killing him at the end, never liked his character in awakening either truth be told.

[Grieving Natashina]

I've romanced him a few times. I've been his friend quite a bit too. However, I have never had an issue with his hurt feelings and it was easy to get those points back to friendly.

Edit: As a female and male Hawke, I never felt "railroaded."  Not sure where that comes from. 

Modifié par Starsyn, 31 janvier 2014 - 08:35 .

[LPPrince]

I played FemHawke so I never even knew Anders rolled both ways until I came to the forums and found out that his relationship with Karl is only alluded to if you play a Mike Hawke rather than the Alexandria Hawke that I did.

As for how I responded to him, I turned him down but was cool with him afterwards. For a time. Then he got annoying, whiny, had the whole Vengeance thing going on, then went all terrorist so yeah, didn't feel too bad about his feelings by that point.

[Grieving Natashina]

LPPrince wrote...
As for how I responded to him, I turned him down but was cool with him afterwards. For a time. Then he got annoying, whiny, had the whole Vengeance thing going on, then went all terrorist so yeah, didn't feel too bad about his feelings by that point.

And a rivalmanced Anders is...kinda creepy. 

[Paul E Dangerously]

Starsyn wrote...

I've romanced him a few times. I've been his friend quite a bit too. However, I have never had an issue with his hurt feelings and it was easy to get those points back to friendly.

Edit: As a female and male Hawke, I never felt "railroaded."  Not sure where that comes from. 

There are two "Yes" options, and one violently "no" option. I think the intent there is pretty clear? It wouldn't be quite as bad if there was a neutral out, or at least "no" that didn't come off as "I'm completely disgusted by you and everything you stand for".

Modifié par Sopa de Gato, 31 janvier 2014 - 08:42 .

[LPPrince]

Funnily enough, will all my talk about hoping DA:I gives me the opportunity for a relatively happy ending, I've been curious about how a romance would go with someone who's say, untrustworthy or

wait for it, unfaithful.

*the plot thickens, I get hit with stones by fandom*

[Grieving Natashina]

Sopa de Gato wrote...


There are two "Yes" options, and one violently "no" option. I think the intent there is pretty clear? It wouldn't be quite as bad if there was a neutral out, or at least "no" that didn't come off as "I'm completely disgusted by you and everything you stand for".

You do have a neutral option. This is the video showing his first flirt with a male!Hawke:

http://www.youtube.c...bdBrsQNNYs#t=69

The top answer, the netural one, is simply "I'm sorry."  That's it.  Diplomatic icon.  

If you pick the top option, you don't get any rivarly points.   I had a play session not 5 days ago that had him as a friend.  I picked that answer.  He doesn't hit on you again either.   I've also picked the answer to reject him.

So, where is the railroading again?

Edit: To respond to Anders, there is 2 yes, one no and one neutral.

Modifié par Starsyn, 31 janvier 2014 - 08:53 .

[Wulfram]

People should never say "nobody brings up" something on the internet, because it's always wrong.