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[Iakus]

Starsyn wrote... 

@iakus: I'm not sure why that matters to you still so much.  As I said earlier, David stated that he probably won't take that route again.  He did listen to the fan feedback about Anders.  I'm not trying to be mean here, but maybe it's time to let it go and look towards the new game.  

I know how you feel about Anders.  What about the topic itself?

I wasn't aware that I was complaining overly much.  Just pointing out that it's not exactly unexpected for people to take it amiss when simply friendly overtures are taken as a romantic gesture.  Particularly with a character as...intense...as Anders had become since Awakening.

As to the topic itself, I think I explained it earlier:  I favor 2 straight, 2 bi, 2 gay LIs.  One for each gender.  

And I also approve of content gated with story progression rather than raw approval score.  HElps spread out the content.

[Grieving Natashina]

I dug up a quote for you. This is what David had to say about bisexual romances and about Anders in general:

The truth is that making a romance available for both genders is far less costly than creating an entirely new one. Does it create some issues of implementation? Sure-- but anything you try on this front is going to have its issues, and inevitably you'll always leave someone out in the cold. In this case, are all straight males left out in the cold? Not at all. There are romances available for them just the same as anyone else....

<snipped for relevance>

Would I do it again? I don't know. I doubt I would have Anders make the first move again-- at the time, I thought that requiring all romances to have Hawke initiate everything was the unrealistic part. Even if someone decides that this makes everyone "unrealistically" bisexual, however, or they can't handle the idea that the character might be bisexual if they were another PC... I don't see that as a big concern, to be honest. Romances are never one-size-fits-all, and even for those who don't mind the sexuality issue there's no guarantee they'll find a character they even want to romance. That's why romances are optional content. It's such a personal issue that we'll never be able to please everyone. The very best we can do is give everyone a little bit of choice, and that's what we tried here.

All that being said, I think this thread is more about the personality behind the LIs, not the amount or sexual preference of them.  What companion personality would you like to see in Inquisition?

Modifié par Starsyn, 01 février 2014 - 12:02 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

I'm in favor of avoiding every romances being protag-sexual, it gets a little too close to harem territory for my liking.

[rasloveszev]

Greylycantrope wrote...

I'm in favor of avoiding every romances being protag-sexual, it gets a little too close to harem territory for my liking.

Not if you don't pursue the relationship. 
Other than Anders, no I had no unwanted attention from my DA2 companions. 

[Iakus]

Starsyn wrote...

I dug up a quote for you. This is what David had to say about bisexual romances and about Anders in general:

The truth is that making a romance available for both genders is far less costly than creating an entirely new one. Does it create some issues of implementation? Sure-- but anything you try on this front is going to have its issues, and inevitably you'll always leave someone out in the cold. In this case, are all straight males left out in the cold? Not at all. There are romances available for them just the same as anyone else....

<snipped for relevance>

Would I do it again? I don't know. I doubt I would have Anders make the first move again-- at the time, I thought that requiring all romances to have Hawke initiate everything was the unrealistic part. Even if someone decides that this makes everyone "unrealistically" bisexual, however, or they can't handle the idea that the character might be bisexual if they were another PC... I don't see that as a big concern, to be honest. Romances are never one-size-fits-all, and even for those who don't mind the sexuality issue there's no guarantee they'll find a character they even want to romance. That's why romances are optional content. It's such a personal issue that we'll never be able to please everyone. The very best we can do is give everyone a little bit of choice, and that's what we tried here.

Well I'd argue that making romances available to everyone is in fact attempting to go the "one size fits all" route.  Or at least trying to move closer to it.  ::insert Amulet of Mara joke here::

But I guess that's neither here nor there.

As to Anders making the first move:  "Ninjamancing" has been a common complaint for, geez, longer than I've been here.  Of course there's going to be complaints that he makes the first move. realistic or not, unless the character is deliberately the flirty type (like Isabela) I anticipate there will always be compaints when that happens. 

All that being said, I think this thread is more about the personality behind the LIs, not the amount or sexual preference of them.  What companion personality would you like to see in Inquisition?

Honestly, I am not about to say what kind of personalities companions should have.  LI or otherwise.  I'll just take them as they come.

I will say I kinda wish I could have romanced Aveline...

Modifié par iakus, 01 février 2014 - 12:34 .

[Grieving Natashina]

Aveline is a great gal, but looks and acts way too much like my sister-in-law. I get along with my sister-in-law, but I wouldn't want to romance her.  

I did like Ave's practicality. Don't get me wrong; I love having snarky characters around. However, it would be nice to have an option for a grounded character like Aveline. I think Cassandra might fit the bill, if (and a big if) she's a LI.

Modifié par Starsyn, 01 février 2014 - 12:39 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

It's that the pursuit is so easy which bothers me. You can literally screw everyone and they'll still fight over you, you just have to tell them you're into them before dumping them post intmancy and moving on to someone else. I want more characters like Aveline or Varric who just do their own thing, because their either not into your species or not interested in you specifically. Helps my immersion when characters actually react to the character I created in a way that's different from other characters I created. I know Hawke is stand in name for "main character" but please try not to make it so obvious.

[sylvanaerie]

Don't feel like digging through 17 pages of commentary/discussion, so just going to respond to the original poster.

Since I'm comfortable playing either gender, though I prefer heterosexual pairings, it won't matter if an NPC is bi, straight or gay. I'll romance whoever I want for my Inquisitor (pretty much what I did in DA2) as whatever gender I want.

My favorite warden was a female Surana who romanced Alistair, put him on the throne and became the Mistress Councillor. My favorite LadyHawke was a snarky rogue who had a bit of a pirate in her, and found much of a kindred soul in Isabela (though she did flirt with Aveline, it never went beyond a peck on the cheek and a 'big sisterly' affection).

Since it all depends on which character I have the most fun playing and feel the most connected to, that's what will end up my preferred character pairing.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 01 février 2014 - 01:57 .

[jncicesp]

randomrandom thoughts...

Any romance I've seen or played Never seemed difficult to get on any level all you have to do is help them and maybe be a certain gender then they're all yours
Except ignoring them or making them leave your party in some way or another theres Almost no way to not romance the character you wanted if they're an option

In da2 the characters were really into only one problem they had(If you discount the banter) and that effected how they felt about things
dao was better in that you got to talk to them all more but still they had that a lot of weight of having certain issues in their pasts determining everything they say andhow they feel things you do...which sounds like a good thing to me

In the first mass effect Kaidan went out of his way to talk to Shepard only if they were female..Ashley didn't really change at all between genders and Liara just pointed out she wasn't female a few times if you are.

I wouldn't say that it affected the characters any but in me2 the 6 characters who you can romance Really seemed like they were only there to be romanced..thats probably cause of the writing or something but still if they didn't want you or you didnt want them they more or less felt 'meh' towards you

me3 felt to much like Origins in how they dealt the options out and how much was cut off of a character if you couldn't have them and(or?) didn't want them.

da2 had less Interesting options but the people who just didnt have a romance seemed about the same level of interest
apparently they only didn't cut options up cause of resources or something but at least they didn't force you to play as a gender to get Any type of content they had with characters or as whatever sexualish preference to get/see whatever romance story you wanted so you(or just only I) didn't have to live vicariously from youtube or fanfiction and feel a little weird while doing that..

[gottaloveme]

I agree with andrastee - no underwear in the sex scenes, especially the ugly undies in DAO. However, for romance and sex scenes much better in DAO than DA2, but please, ser, may I have some more so long as they don't interrupt the story or action

[Aaleel]

I don't think every companion should be open for romance in every playthrough. There should be at least one of each (1 straight female, 1 straight male, 1 bi male, 1 bi female).

[Lulupab]

Unless all of them are bi expect rage threads when the game comes out.

[KaiserShep]

It's probably simpler to just have them all be playersexual, with the exception of maybe one or two that are unavailable to all options. I do wonder how the multiple races thing plays out in this regard though.

[ImperatorMortis]

Han Shot First wrote...

It was already confirmed by Gaider that all potential love interests will be bisexual, or at least, Inquisitorsexual.

Wow that is incredibly stupid, and lame. 

"Player sexual" companions is literally the worst thing ever. I mean I'm gonna play a female qunari, and I have no plans whatsoever to get with any male, but still I just despise the concept. Its like something out of a harem anime/manga, and it cheapens the characters. 

Do not want. 

Modifié par ImperatorMortis, 05 février 2014 - 01:11 .

[KaiserShep]

If handled properly, most people would probably not even know it was possible until after playing both genders and multiple playthroughs pursuing each companion.

[CybAnt1]

.. or if, even before they do all that, they read the Prima guide, forum posts, the (updated ) Wiki, or online guides that describe all the available romances/romancees.

... but yes, you're absolutely right, they found the formula for DA2, and I think will stick with it. BTW, this is not a case where I have a stance about their decision. No real problem with it. I get why they have to do it.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Playersexual companions is the worst objectification of characters since Dead or Alive's boob physics. It is a shameful display of lazy character development from BioWare's side.
If BioWare wants their character to be available to both genders, then bloody well make them bisexual. Zevran and Lelianna was done correctly, since no matter the gender of the Warden, they displayed attraction towards both men and women.

[CybAnt1]

Emperor, you disagree with a DA2 design decision?

Well, I must say, it is refreshing to find there may be a spot where we have common ground. I've never seen you do it before.

P.S. we don't agree here, I'm just expressing amazement at the possibility of agreeing elsewhere.

[daveliam]

They've already stated that the characters in DA2 were bisexual, not playersexual.

It's ridiculous to expect a character to HAVE to express attraction to both genders in order for you to accept that they are bisexual. Why, as a gay protagonist, would it enrich my romance for my male love interest to express his interest in females as well? What does that add to the character's development. He is in a relationship with a male character, so why are people so insistent that he also brings up his opposite sex attraction in the dialogue?

It just doesn't make any logical sense to me. Isabela and Zevran were one particular type of bisexual trope, the sexually "open" bisexual. Not all bisexuals feel the need to have open relationships. Some (many?) are happy existing in a single monogamous relationship with a single person (regardless of sex). That doesn't "lessen" or "cheapen" their sexuality because they aren't also discussing their attraction to the other sex.

It makes perfect sense to me for a character like Fenris, who is struggling with intimacy, to be focused solely on the person with whom he is beginning a relationship (whether that be a man or woman). How would it strengthen his character if he had a single dialogue line where he says something about being bisexual? Same with Merrill. The only issue that I have with Anders is that he doesn't mention that Karl is his ex with FemHawke. It would have been relevant given the context. I don't see a problem with Anders in a s/s relationship, though.

It seems like people have this weird hang-up with bisexuality where it's only accepted if the person has indiscriminate sex with people of both sexes. As soon as a bisexuals are in a monogamous relationship, people treat them as if they have somehow lost their bisexual badge. Sorry for the rant, but it's something that comes up over and over in threads like these and it's really grating to me.

[LPPrince]

I think because if someone is bisexual, it doesn't make them heterosexual or homosexual.

I dated a bisexual girl a few years ago. If she never told me she was into ladies as well as gents and I found out later, I'd wonder why she was keeping that from me.

Trust.

Its not a bad thing to be heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, pansexual, demisexual, transexual, etc etc(not saying anyone is saying that), but assuming a pansexual character shouldn't express the fact that gender and sex don't affect who they love, or a demisexual shouldn't express they require a romantic connection before they get the sexual tingles, at least to me seems a bit odd.

Someone shouldn't feel afraid to share a part of who they are with the one they love/fancy/have feelings for.

I didn't romance Anders with my FemHawke. He flirted with her after the Karl thing, and I thought, "Not gonna romance him, but cool that he's taking the first step"

I figured he was straight as nothing led me to believe he was attracted to both sexes.

Then I found out on the forums he's available to both sexes and I wondered why that wasn't expressed to me in game. I wouldn't think any more or less of him. I wouldn't suddenly throw a fit if he flirted with Mike Hawke if I'd of played one. But I'd of wanted to know.

It feels playersexual in my opinion, rather than any of the previously mentioned real life sexualities, because they all shared that same availability to any playable character the gamer can create, rather than being limited in some way to a PC for any particular reason. That and it wasn't brought to my attention that they were attracted to the opposite sex of my PC.

I can believe Isabella is bisexual because its expressed. It doesn't have to be so obvious of course, she kinda shoves it in your face, but if a character is attracted to both sexes, I just want to find out about it from them, one way or another. Even if its just something small like,

1-"So, here we are. Nice place, look at all these beautiful people."

2-"Ahh yes, its hard to not get lost in the eyes of some of these men and women."

1-"Oh? And here I thought you only had eyes for me."

2-"Hah, I do. But a man/lady can have his/her fantasies."

I'm perfectly willing to admit that I may miss or accidentally skip a line or two like this for some characters. In which case, I'd have to admit my assumption may be based on incomplete references/information.

But in the end of day, I'd like to know who the person I'm romancing is, rather than having them hide that part of who they are because of an excuse like, "whats the point?"

Modifié par LPPrince, 05 février 2014 - 07:00 .

[AresKeith]

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

It was already confirmed by Gaider that all potential love interests will be bisexual, or at least, Inquisitorsexual.

Wow that is incredibly stupid, and lame. 

"Player sexual" companions is literally the worst thing ever. I mean I'm gonna play a female qunari, and I have no plans whatsoever to get with any male, but still I just despise the concept. Its like something out of a harem anime/manga, and it cheapens the characters. 

Do not want. 

It was actually confirmed that it wasn't going that route

[Hellion Rex]

AresKeith wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

It was already confirmed by Gaider that all potential love interests will be bisexual, or at least, Inquisitorsexual.

Wow that is incredibly stupid, and lame. 

"Player sexual" companions is literally the worst thing ever. I mean I'm gonna play a female qunari, and I have no plans whatsoever to get with any male, but still I just despise the concept. Its like something out of a harem anime/manga, and it cheapens the characters. 

Do not want. 

It was actually confirmed that it wasn't going that route

Wait, he just said in a tumblr post here, that nothing has been confirmed, otuside of the fact that there will indeed be romances.

[LPPrince]

Nothing is truly confirmed until the game is in our disc trays.

Edit- Or downloaded onto our HDDs.

THE FUTUUUUUUUUURE

Modifié par LPPrince, 05 février 2014 - 07:03 .

[AresKeith]

eluvianix wrote...

AresKeith wrote...

ImperatorMortis wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

It was already confirmed by Gaider that all potential love interests will be bisexual, or at least, Inquisitorsexual.

Wow that is incredibly stupid, and lame. 

"Player sexual" companions is literally the worst thing ever. I mean I'm gonna play a female qunari, and I have no plans whatsoever to get with any male, but still I just despise the concept. Its like something out of a harem anime/manga, and it cheapens the characters. 

Do not want. 

It was actually confirmed that it wasn't going that route

Wait, he just said in a tumblr post here, that nothing has been confirmed, otuside of the fact that there will indeed be romances.

Well I stand corrected

So what was the one podcast or PAX panel about then?

Modifié par AresKeith, 05 février 2014 - 07:06 .

[daveliam]

LPPrince wrote...

...but assuming a pansexual character shouldn't express the fact that gender and sex don't affect who they love, or a demisexual shouldn't express they require a romantic connection before they get the sexual tingles, at least to me seems a bit odd.....

I think you might have misunderstood my post.  I wasn't saying that a bisexual character shouldn't express their attractions.  I was saying that it's ridiculous to me that posters are demanding that all bisexual characters have to do so or they aren't "really bisexual" (just player-sexual).  I have no problem with it happening, but I don't see how making a requirement for all of the bisexual characters somehow leads to "deeper" characters.  To me, forcing all bisexual characters to follow the same pattern of:  1.)  expressing interest in the PC; 2.) having a throw-away line about attraction to both males and females; then 3.) confirming their interest in the PC, is actually weakening the individual characters by making a blanket templatefor bisexual LI's.