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[spirosz]

eluvianix wrote...

If they go the all Bi route, I would be entirely happy. In fact, I would prefer that. But if not that, I could work with the ME3 approach, provided they can at least give two options to everyone.

Ah, personally I don't like the whole all Bi route, but I'll be fine if it's the way they want to develop their characters.  And why two options?  What if there is only a small cast and 4 romances, for example. 

Modifié par spirosz, 27 janvier 2014 - 04:12 .

[The Elder King]

I'd prefer the solution iakus (and someone else) proposed, with 6 LI. Between DAO and Da2's approach I prefer the latter because it gives everyone multiple choices.

[Hellion Rex]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

they hinted at one character will be struggling to accept their sexuality and be in the closet.

First I hear of that. And that'd be a character arc I'd most likely prefer not to see as well. Not only is it pretty standard fare to make it a big point that a character is of a certain orientation and I've thought BioWare to be above that sort of characterisation; it's also pretty odd in a world that doesn't have a history with the Catholic church of olde.

But if it happens, then I guess it happens.

I wouldn't mind a story like that, but Bioware has to be extremely delicate and careful with a story like that. I would find it interesting if Iron Bull were a bi or s/s romance character that was dealing with that, being Tal-Vashoth and all.

[spirosz]

^That would be interesting.

[Hellion Rex]

spirosz wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

If they go the all Bi route, I would be entirely happy. In fact, I would prefer that. But if not that, I could work with the ME3 approach, provided they can at least give two options to everyone.

Ah, personally I don't like the whole all Bi route, but I'll be fine if it's the way they want to develop their characters.  And why two options?  What if there is only a small cast and 4 romances, for example. 

I mean kind of like in ME3 where a S/S romance had at least two options. A male Shepard had Kaidan and Steve, whereas female Shepard had Liara, Samantha, and Samantha. That is, if Bioware was to have civilian, non party romances in DAI. But if we were only to have a small cast, like 4 party member romances, I would prefer all Bi, so I'm not stuck again with just one romance option, a la DAO. Don't get me wrong, Zevran's romance was awesome, but I wasn't all that thrilled at only having one option.

[otis0310]

I think their sexual orientation should fit their character. Do you envision this character as a straight, like Alistair, or bi like Lelliana, or perhaps gay. If it makes sense that they are straight, then make them striaght or if they are bi then fine. But whatever you do, do not just make them bi because you can, it just cheapens the characters.

Not everyone in real life is bi, I think the Dragon Age franchise should reflect that.

[wright1978]

hhh89 wrote...

I'd prefer the solution iakus (and someone else) proposed, with 6 LI. Between DAO and Da2's approach I prefer the latter because it gives everyone multiple choices.

I'd only be happy with 6 if there was a commensurate increase in the level of resources being allocated to romances to ensure the quality/quantity of content wasn't eroded.

[Zazzerka]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

It would be pretty epic if there weren't any romances.

Ah, the "take my soccerball and go home" technique.

[Hellion Rex]

otis0310 wrote...

I think their sexual orientation should fit their character. Do you envision this character as a straight, like Alistair, or bi like Lelliana, or perhaps gay. If it makes sense that they are straight, then make them striaght or if they are bi then fine. But whatever you do, do not just make them bi because you can, it just cheapens the characters.

Not everyone in real life is bi, I think the Dragon Age franchise should reflect that.

In a world with dragons, darkspawn, blood magic, and Qunari, I find it most fascinating how people draw the line for realism at having an all bi cast. Your opinion is totally valid though, and I'm not trying to pick on you or anything, it's just something that bugs me.

As to how "sexual orientation fitting characters", Bioware has to tread a fine line, because you step into that extremely dangerous territory of what looks like a "bi" character or a "gay" character, or even what "straight" characters look like.

Modifié par eluvianix, 27 janvier 2014 - 04:37 .

[KaiserShep]

otis0310 wrote...

I think their sexual orientation should fit their character. Do you envision this character as a straight, like Alistair, or bi like Lelliana, or perhaps gay. If it makes sense that they are straight, then make them striaght or if they are bi then fine. But whatever you do, do not just make them bi because you can, it just cheapens the characters.

Not everyone in real life is bi, I think the Dragon Age franchise should reflect that.

What one envisions a certain character to be regarding sexual orientation is meaningless. A character's personality and mannerisms must be independent of their sexual orientation. Take Isabela, for instance. If she was strictly into men or women, that would not stop her from talking about naughty things or being a free-spirited pirate rogue. The same goes for Zevran, or Leliana. If Marjolaine's character was replaced by a man, this would have no effect on Leliana's personality.  BioWare did good to bury these traits to allow the player to find them out by interacting directly, rather than using it to define them.

The way I see it, this issue is more a matter of metagaming than how it serves in the story. If it's never mentioned one way or the other outside of the player's control, it relies on the player's knowledge that they can replay as a different gender and get the same option.

Modifié par KaiserShep, 27 janvier 2014 - 04:40 .

[Aesir26]

I prefer the DA2 version. Before DA2 I might have said otherwise but in DA2 there were really only one or two that I liked out of all of them. I don't want to feel nudged into making my character a certain gender just so I can pick that LI, especially if I feel that it wouldn't fit my PC's personality.

[spirosz]

The Mad Hanar wrote...

Too often it feels like I'm playing Casanova in Bioware games.

That's what it will likely be. 

[TheChris92]

If they absolutely have to be in the game then I say like how it was in DA2 -- The supposed sex scenes weren't just embarrassing pants-on-dry-humping at least... Well, it was, but it didn't look silly at least. I wouldn't mind if they just dropped them entirely and instead focused on the characterization, and dialogue, within the romance to make it play out/feel more genuine.

[jncicesp]

I know Kaidan mentioned he liked A girl...and Ashley said something about a boy in me3, I dont think anyone mentioned anything about what they like really in Dragon age Origins or 2 apart from Hawke or the Warden(maybe a few times in 2) Do they have to stop in mid battle and talk about if they like boys or girls for it to be a set sexual orientation?
Bi or playersexual..or pan or demi or Whatever can count as a set preference So if its that important for a character to have one why does it have to be straight or gay?

At least looking at Mass effect and Origins In me1 Kaidan and Ashley were kinda the romances they pretty much pushed on you depending on your sex. me2 were all straight and stopped talking to you if you were the same sex. me3 4 straight party member options which 2 of them were also bi(same as origins) they just threw in two crew members for same sex romance... and im still pretty sure they only did that cause they didnt want to make anyone they had possibly be gay...
All the cool important interesting likable characters that you want to talk to and romance and take everywhere are always straight....  and you end up being forced to like someone else that you dont really care about  if you still want a romance for your story

They could at least not make them romancable at All and have them be with someone else in the game If its so important for them to only like one type of person.

Anyway Im fine with two options as long as theyre different from eachother not like in DA2 when they were more or less the same flavor. I think three would be best mainly cause it would be easier to have different types of romances with more options

I think id prefer fade to black if theyre going to have sex at all in the game but id be ok with me1 type stuff too.

Modifié par jncicesp, 27 janvier 2014 - 04:54 .

[Milan92]

TheChris92 wrote...

If they absolutely have to be in the game then I say like how it was in DA2 -- The supposed sex scenes weren't just embarrassing pants-on-dry-humping at least... Well, it was, but it didn't look silly at least. I wouldn't mind if they just dropped them entirely and instead focused on the characterization, and dialogue, within the romance to make it play out/feel more genuine.

Yeah!

Modifié par Milan92, 27 janvier 2014 - 04:55 .

[10K]

 If I had a choice I'd go with Origins. Much more realistic in terms of sexuality. Everyone being bi was awkward. Especially Anders, because I swear he was straight. 

[Ferretinabun]

The way I understood it, Gaider said that they are limited by how many resources they can put into the LIs. 2 straight, 2 bi and 2 gay would, I think, be ideal, but that's 6 - more LIs than we've had in any previous DA game. If they're restricting it to 4, then the DA2 route it the better way to go. Better to sacrifice a little immersion for the sake of player-inclusivity, I say.

That said, I totally agree with people singing the praises of characters that won't date you. Hurrah for the Avelines and Samaras. They are especially needed in a game with all-playersexual-LI's, just to take the edge off the PC being a totally irresistable shag-magnet.

Modifié par Ferretinabun, 27 janvier 2014 - 05:23 .

[Red by Full Metal Jacket]

All you folks who are asking for exclusively gay or lesbian characters are wsting their time, right?  One of the devs confirmed that the demand is way too low for them to do that.

[Thomas Andresen]

eluvianix wrote...

spirosz wrote...

Ah, personally I don't like the whole all Bi route, but I'll be fine if it's the way they want to develop their characters.  And why two options?  What if there is only a small cast and 4 romances, for example. 

I mean kind of like in ME3 where a S/S romance had at least two options. A male Shepard had Kaidan and Steve, whereas female Shepard had Liara, Samantha, and Samantha. That is, if Bioware was to have civilian, non party romances in DAI. But if we were only to have a small cast, like 4 party member romances, I would prefer all Bi, so I'm not stuck again with just one romance option, a la DAO. Don't get me wrong, Zevran's romance was awesome, but I wasn't all that thrilled at only having one option.

Word of god has it that while there will definitely be romances, it will still be optional content, with no greater representation than in the previous games.

Gaider have said previously, and repeatedly, in response to this debate that, so long as they don't allocate more resources for romances, his team will aim for equality over realism, however much he himself would rather have a more diversified selection of romances. And so long as romances remain optional content, peripheral to the narrative, romances will not get a bigger budget. There's also this.

[CuriousArtemis]

KaiserShep wrote...

otis0310 wrote...

I think their sexual orientation should fit their character. Do you envision this character as a straight, like Alistair, or bi like Lelliana, or perhaps gay. If it makes sense that they are straight, then make them striaght or if they are bi then fine. But whatever you do, do not just make them bi because you can, it just cheapens the characters.

Not everyone in real life is bi, I think the Dragon Age franchise should reflect that.

What one envisions a certain character to be regarding sexual orientation is meaningless. A character's personality and mannerisms must be independent of their sexual orientation. Take Isabela, for instance. If she was strictly into men or women, that would not stop her from talking about naughty things or being a free-spirited pirate rogue. The same goes for Zevran, or Leliana. If Marjolaine's character was replaced by a man, this would have no effect on Leliana's personality.  BioWare did good to bury these traits to allow the player to find them out by interacting directly, rather than using it to define them.

Hear, hear  For some reason, this is a very difficult concept for some folks to grasp.

[Uccio]

Origins.