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[SgtElias]

rasloveszev wrote...

Would you want more love interests? (Even though they might not do that)

Would you want the sex scenes back?

In a perfect world, I think it'd be best to have six love interests, each with a set sexuality (one gay, one straight, and one bisexual love interest per gender). However, I (personally) really loved the "all bi" love interests from DA2, and would be 1000% fine with seeing them return for Inquisition. I didn't think it was strange or "unbelievable" at all to have four people in the same place interested in your character regardless of gender. Being bi myself probably contributes to that.

As for sex senes, I really don't care about them one way or another. I think having a scene be super explicit might be awkward (what's it called? Uncanny Valley?), but I'm fine with it in general, and I'm fine with fade to black. Whatever.

[Rixatrix]

Hmm, neither. DAO did do the 2 straight, 2 bi LI relationships formula, but DA2 imho was more like a mix of playersexual and bi with 1 asexual LI relationship.

If we're going with personal preference, I'd go with 4 playersexual and/or bi LIs for max replay value (I only play female characters) with a LI character relationship DLC option or two (like Sebastian's but not asexual and not heartless when your character's mom was just murdered).

Honestly, I thought this thread was going to be more about personality, and I wanted to say the DAO LIs felt more realistic to me. They had things that they cared about, but they were 100% about that one thing all the time. DA2's LIs, by contrast, each had their special causes, but they were consumed with those causes nearly 100% of the time, making them almost caricatures of actual people. Granted, there are people like this in real life, who have that one thing that they care about and never shut up about it or discuss ANYTHING else, but I sure as hell don't know any and wouldn't want to, let alone FOUR.

Modifié par BlueMoonSeraphim, 27 janvier 2014 - 06:05 .

[Veruin]

BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...
1 asexual LI.

And who might that be?

Modifié par Veruin, 27 janvier 2014 - 05:50 .

[nihiliste]

I don't care but I hope it's more like DA:O when you can talk to them a lot more and find out more about them in camp as well as when you're traveling. DA2 characters were lifeless to me because of how long you'd have to wait to interact with them at their home and how little they'd have to say of interest once you got there. If you're going to do romances with NPCs, they need to be much more fleshed out in terms of personality and motivation.

[Rixatrix]

Veruin wrote...

BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...
1 asexual LI.

And who might that be?

Sebastian.

[Veruin]

BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...

Sebastian.

I haven't played Exiled Prince...but I'm pretty sure he isn't asexual.

*edit* Yep, he's doesn't sleep because of his "Vow of Chastity".  That is not asexual.

Modifié par Veruin, 27 janvier 2014 - 05:54 .

[Andraste_Reborn]

And who might that be?

They mean Sebastian. (While the relationship is asexual, Sebastian himself isn't. He's taken a vow of celibacy, which isn't the same thing. However, because of that he can be a good match for an asexual Hawke. As long as Hawke is female and OK with the Chantry...)

Edit: Obviously I posted that before I saw the comment above.

Modifié par Andrastee, 27 janvier 2014 - 05:58 .

[Rixatrix]

Veruin wrote...

BlueMoonSeraphim wrote...

Sebastian.

I haven't played Exiled Prince...but I'm pretty sure he isn't asexual.

*edit* Yep, he's doesn't sleep because of his "Vow of Chastity".  That is not asexual.

You're entitled to your opinion. I've actually played the DLC and am entitled to mine.

"Asexual" means from "free from or unaffected by sexuality" (dictionary.com). An example is "an asexual friendship." An "asexual love interest" is a love interest  that is free from or unaffected by the state or quality of being sexual or involvement in sexual activity. There absolutely no sexual activity (not even kissing) that happens regardless of whether you Rivalmance him off the Chantry track and make him want to retake Starkhaven or Friendmance him with the chaste marriage. In fact, IIRC, there isn't even any physical contact of any kind.

Sure, it can be called a "relationship," but definitely not a "sexual relationship."

Modifié par BlueMoonSeraphim, 27 janvier 2014 - 06:03 .

[Rixatrix]

Andrastee wrote...

And who might that be?

They mean Sebastian. (While the relationship is asexual, Sebastian himself isn't. He's taken a vow of celibacy, which isn't the same thing. However, because of that he can be a good match for an asexual Hawke. As long as Hawke is female and OK with the Chantry...)

Edit: Obviously I posted that before I saw the comment above.

100% agree, I did mean that the LI relationship between Sebastian & Hawke is asexual in the game (the only such one in DA series IIRC). Sebastian himself admits (forget which dialogue option or when) that he was a playboy before his vows, and at least in Rivalmance, there's some implications he makes that he's going to get with Hawke after taking back Starkhaven.

Modifié par BlueMoonSeraphim, 27 janvier 2014 - 06:08 .

[esper]

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

they hinted at one character will be struggling to accept their sexuality and be in the closet.

First I hear of that. And that'd be a character arc I'd most likely prefer not to see as well. Not only is it pretty standard fare to make it a big point that a character is of a certain orientation and I've thought BioWare to be above that sort of characterisation; it's also pretty odd in a world that doesn't have a history with the Catholic church of olde.

But if it happens, then I guess it happens.

#%F#!

I am going to believe bioware is better than that cliche. If the romance arc was larger I wouldn't mind since it would just be a little thing, but considering their size it would fill most of it the romance sub-plot, and I do not want that.

[Thomas Andresen]

I am going to believe bioware is better than that cliche. If the romance arc was larger I wouldn't mind since it would just be a little thing, but considering their size it would fill most of it the romance sub-plot, and I do not want that.

Gaider has several times talked about things he would like to explore, romance related or otherwise. Some people like to take these idle talks as hints of things to come. I wouldn't put much stock in it.

[Hellion Rex]

esper wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

they hinted at one character will be struggling to accept their sexuality and be in the closet.

First I hear of that. And that'd be a character arc I'd most likely prefer not to see as well. Not only is it pretty standard fare to make it a big point that a character is of a certain orientation and I've thought BioWare to be above that sort of characterisation; it's also pretty odd in a world that doesn't have a history with the Catholic church of olde.

But if it happens, then I guess it happens.

#%F#!

I am going to believe bioware is better than that cliche. If the romance arc was larger I wouldn't mind since it would just be a little thing, but considering their size it would fill most of it the romance sub-plot, and I do not want that.

I could see this playing out in a character like the Iron Bull, since as Tal-Vashoth he has broken away from the Qunari.

[Thomas Andresen]

I could see this playing out in a character like the Iron Bull, since as Tal-Vashoth he has broken away from the Qunari.

Considering the Qunari stance on procreation, I'd imagine he'd have no less trouble dealing with to heterosexuality as he would with homosexuality.

[esper]

eluvianix wrote...

esper wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

they hinted at one character will be struggling to accept their sexuality and be in the closet.

First I hear of that. And that'd be a character arc I'd most likely prefer not to see as well. Not only is it pretty standard fare to make it a big point that a character is of a certain orientation and I've thought BioWare to be above that sort of characterisation; it's also pretty odd in a world that doesn't have a history with the Catholic church of olde.

But if it happens, then I guess it happens.

#%F#!

I am going to believe bioware is better than that cliche. If the romance arc was larger I wouldn't mind since it would just be a little thing, but considering their size it would fill most of it the romance sub-plot, and I do not want that.

I could see this playing out in a character like the Iron Bull, since as Tal-Vashoth he has broken away from the Qunari.

I wouldn't mind if it if it was a whole romance act that struggled with the general idea of intimacy, be it emotional or physical, regardless of gender, if it is a character that for some reason don't have dealt with that before. (Though we have had Fenris there, now I think about it)-

But a whole romance centering on a closetet person. No way. The romances are not big enough in the plot to contain that and the chance that the whole focus would be on that is so big... Besides, there are so few stories with bi/homosexual characters out there in the world, that doesn't center on that. It just feels a waste that in a world where it is not so big a deal, it is still the 'coming on out the closet' story which will be told when there are so many other love stories to tell.

[esper]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

I am going to believe bioware is better than that cliche. If the romance arc was larger I wouldn't mind since it would just be a little thing, but considering their size it would fill most of it the romance sub-plot, and I do not want that.

Gaider has several times talked about things he would like to explore, romance related or otherwise. Some people like to take these idle talks as hints of things to come. I wouldn't put much stock in it.

You know what I think you are right in that. I feel a little relieved, thank you^_^

[Thomas Andresen]

You know what I think you are right in that.

I am most likely right, yes. I could be wrong, but I'm expect that I'm not.

[Bekkael]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

Personality wise I'd say DAO, cause the romances in DA2 sucked.

This sounds good and I pretty much agree, although I didn't find DA2 romances completely suckish. However, I don't really care much as long as the story is entertaining and engaging overall. A romance is just icing on the cake that BioWare makes so well. 

[Nette]

DAO. Origins characters felt more alive and fleshed out. I did enjoy DA2 romances to some degree but the long timeperionds between character interactions did make the whole thing pretty dull. They should also release the toolset (and make it so that consoleplayers can enjoy mods too) because modders have done amazing things for the romances (and a great many other things) in DAO.

[Pasquale1234]

esper wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

they hinted at one character will be struggling to accept their sexuality and be in the closet.

First I hear of that. And that'd be a character arc I'd most likely prefer not to see as well. Not only is it pretty standard fare to make it a big point that a character is of a certain orientation and I've thought BioWare to be above that sort of characterisation; it's also pretty odd in a world that doesn't have a history with the Catholic church of olde.

But if it happens, then I guess it happens.

#%F#!

I am going to believe bioware is better than that cliche. If the romance arc was larger I wouldn't mind since it would just be a little thing, but considering their size it would fill most of it the romance sub-plot, and I do not want that.

I also feel that it would be disastrous, but for different reasons.

I've yet to see any indication that Thedas has any concept of sexual orientation.  My interpretation of the Thedas I've seen thus far is that marriage confers status and inhertiance and property rights, and as such is public.  Outside of that, an individual's choice in sexual partners is considered private - and I think that David Gaider has indicated exactly that.

If they were to present a character that is "in the closet" and "struggling with their sexuality" it would mean that:
1) They do, in fact, have some form of understanding of sexual orientation.
2) The culture is heteronormative, and there is something wrong with having sexual / romantic feelings for someone of your own sex, therefore...
3) The closet exists, and anyone who engages in same-sex relationships is compelled to hide them or face some sort of consequences.

Ugh.  I would hate that almost as much as I would hate having gender-restricted LIs.

Plus - no toaster ovens.

Modifié par Pasquale1234, 27 janvier 2014 - 07:15 .

[luckycooky]

Well if there go for more realistic game in more realistic world,then the cant make everyone bi or gay. One on 30 people are gay. How manny people are Bi i dont know and i dont care but not Everyone.

And realy bugged me that in one mine that on mine first time in dragon age 2 Anders Kissed me out of blue.

Modifié par luckycooky, 27 janvier 2014 - 07:43 .

[Veruin]

luckycooky wrote...
And realy bugged me that in one mine that on mine first time in dragon age 2 Alistar Kissed me out of blue.

You must be smoking some great **** if you mistake Alistair for Aveline.

Modifié par Veruin, 27 janvier 2014 - 07:39 .

[luckycooky]

I mean Anders

[Veruin]

luckycooky wrote...

I mean Anders

Anders only "kisses you out of the blue" if you purposely select the heart icons.  So, I'm still not sure.

[Knight of Dane]

Pasquale1234 wrote...

esper wrote...

KiddDaBeauty wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...

they hinted at one character will be struggling to accept their sexuality and be in the closet.

First I hear of that. And that'd be a character arc I'd most likely prefer not to see as well. Not only is it pretty standard fare to make it a big point that a character is of a certain orientation and I've thought BioWare to be above that sort of characterisation; it's also pretty odd in a world that doesn't have a history with the Catholic church of olde.

But if it happens, then I guess it happens.

#%F#!

I am going to believe bioware is better than that cliche. If the romance arc was larger I wouldn't mind since it would just be a little thing, but considering their size it would fill most of it the romance sub-plot, and I do not want that.

I also feel that it would be disastrous, but for different reasons.

I've yet to see any indication that Thedas has any concept of sexual orientation.  My interpretation of the Thedas I've seen thus far is that marriage confers status and inhertiance and property rights, and as such is public.  Outside of that, an individual's choice in sexual partners is considered private - and I think that David Gaider has indicated exactly that.

If they were to present a character that is "in the closet" and "struggling with their sexuality" it would mean that:
1) They do, in fact, have some form of understanding of sexual orientation.
2) The culture is heteronormative, and there is something wrong with having sexual / romantic feelings for someone of your own sex, therefore...
3) The closet exists, and anyone who engages in same-sex relationships is compelled to hide them or face some sort of consequences.

Ugh.  I would hate that almost as much as I would hate having gender-restricted LIs.

Plus - no toaster ovens.

I agree, but as of your 1) there is already such a thing. Male Hawke can be surprised (in a positive way mind you) of Anders' advances, and the Warden can also show a surprise in Zevrans bisexual attraction to men.

[luckycooky]

No i just Select Warm respons to him almost all the time.Then hi can not hold him self and Atacks/kiss you. And the worst thing is that you can not hit him

Modifié par luckycooky, 27 janvier 2014 - 08:07 .