thats1evildude wrote...
Kohaku survived! He even got a new weapon and became a demon hunter. And no matter how many times Miroku came close to being consumed by his curse, he survived!
I mean, we might as well say Dragon Ball Z is dark because the bad guys regularly kill off half the cast.
n7stormrunner wrote...
thats1evildude wrote...
Kohaku survived! He even got a new weapon and became a demon hunter. And no matter how many times Miroku came close to being consumed by his curse, he survived!
I mean, we might as well say Dragon Ball Z is dark because the bad guys regularly kill off half the cast.
.... it's like talking to my dog. happy ending or not don't make a story dark. having dark subject matter and content does
thats1evildude wrote...
n7stormrunner wrote...
thats1evildude wrote...
Kohaku survived! He even got a new weapon and became a demon hunter. And no matter how many times Miroku came close to being consumed by his curse, he survived!
I mean, we might as well say Dragon Ball Z is dark because the bad guys regularly kill off half the cast.
.... it's like talking to my dog. happy ending or not don't make a story dark. having dark subject matter and content does
Yes, that's true. But just because some bad things happen to the cast doesn't make a series dark; that's just drama in general. There was never really a question of whether Naraku would be beaten; the series revolved around Inuyasha and Kagome's relationship and whether they would hook up in the end.
thats1evildude wrote...
I'll take the fact that you're resorting to insults as a tacit admission that I'm right and you're wrong.
HiroVoid wrote...
Hate getting into specifics, but if the wikipedia definition's correct, then no. Dragon Age isn't dark fantasy. It may have dark moments, but the overall tone during the game isn't a dark one having more high fantasy moments than anything.
Depends on how that setting's used. Sure. DA:O could be argued to have little chance for success in stopping the blight from an in-game perspective, but we ultimately know we'll end up stopping it. Same for the demon invasion in DA:Inquisition. To me at least, a truly dark setting is one where you really don't know if things'll turn well in the end as well as a tone that sets up set-back after set-back with the hope of success looking more grim.n7stormrunner wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Hate getting into specifics, but if the wikipedia definition's correct, then no. Dragon Age isn't dark fantasy. It may have dark moments, but the overall tone during the game isn't a dark one having more high fantasy moments than anything.
that implies that it can't be both... and I think they hopeless mission with little chance for success counts as a fairly dark tone as such things go.
hhh89 wrote...
@TEWR: Agreed on Yugioh's manga. Though every time I recall Yugioh I laugh for the heavy change in the American/European version of the anime. I recall that I was shocked when I read the a manga after watching the anime.
I actually considered the manga pretty hilarious if we're talking about the times before the card games. Each chapter was basically 'Okay. Win this game.....OR GET SEVERELY INJURED OR DEATH'. Besides, at worst, the gang might get a bit beat up, but that was it. Yugi's grandfather having a heart attack was probably the only serious injury.hhh89 wrote...
@TEWR: Agreed on Yugioh's manga. Though every time I recall Yugioh I laugh for the heavy change in the American/European version of the anime. I recall that I was shocked when I read the a manga after watching the anime.
HiroVoid wrote...
Depends on how that setting's used. Sure. DA:O could be argued to have little chance for success in stopping the blight from an in-game perspective, but we ultimately know we'll end up stopping it. Same for the demon invasion in DA:Inquisition. To me at least, a truly dark setting is one where you really don't know if things'll turn well in the end as well as a tone that sets up set-back after set-back with the hope of success looking more grim.n7stormrunner wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Hate getting into specifics, but if the wikipedia definition's correct, then no. Dragon Age isn't dark fantasy. It may have dark moments, but the overall tone during the game isn't a dark one having more high fantasy moments than anything.
that implies that it can't be both... and I think they hopeless mission with little chance for success counts as a fairly dark tone as such things go.
though that was a little to rude on my part. I apologizethats1evildude wrote...
I'll take the fact that you're resorting to insults as a tacit admission that I'm right and you're wrong.
Berserk's already an example listed despite not knowing the ending. Attack on Titan's a good recent example (and I even expect it to end on a fairly positive note due to its surprised popularity). Demon's and Dark Souls get it down atmosphere-wise.n7stormrunner wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Depends on how that setting's used. Sure. DA:O could be argued to have little chance for success in stopping the blight from an in-game perspective, but we ultimately know we'll end up stopping it. Same for the demon invasion in DA:Inquisition. To me at least, a truly dark setting is one where you really don't know if things'll turn well in the end as well as a tone that sets up set-back after set-back with the hope of success looking more grim.n7stormrunner wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Hate getting into specifics, but if the wikipedia definition's correct, then no. Dragon Age isn't dark fantasy. It may have dark moments, but the overall tone during the game isn't a dark one having more high fantasy moments than anything.
that implies that it can't be both... and I think they hopeless mission with little chance for success counts as a fairly dark tone as such things go.
by the defintion almost nothing counts as dark. since with a fair bit of accuracy you can say a story has a mostly happy ending. and we don't know how it will turn out till we're finished.
I agree that the manga gets better with the card games. My shock was about the changes between the manga and the anime to make it more 'light' and appeal to a younger audience (like the heart of the cards and the fact that people don't die in to the Shadow Games).HiroVoid wrote...
I actually considered the manga pretty hilarious if we're talking about the times before the card games. Each chapter was basically 'Okay. Win this game.....OR GET SEVERELY INJURED OR DEATH'. Besides, at worst, the gang might get a bit beat up, but that was it. Yugi's grandfather having a heart attack was probably the only serious injury.
HiroVoid wrote...
Berserk's already an example listed despite not knowing the ending. Attack on Titan's a good recent example (and I even expect it to end on a fairly positive note due to its surprised popularity). Demon's and Dark Souls get it down atmosphere-wise.n7stormrunner wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Depends on how that setting's used. Sure. DA:O could be argued to have little chance for success in stopping the blight from an in-game perspective, but we ultimately know we'll end up stopping it. Same for the demon invasion in DA:Inquisition. To me at least, a truly dark setting is one where you really don't know if things'll turn well in the end as well as a tone that sets up set-back after set-back with the hope of success looking more grim.n7stormrunner wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Hate getting into specifics, but if the wikipedia definition's correct, then no. Dragon Age isn't dark fantasy. It may have dark moments, but the overall tone during the game isn't a dark one having more high fantasy moments than anything.
that implies that it can't be both... and I think they hopeless mission with little chance for success counts as a fairly dark tone as such things go.
by the defintion almost nothing counts as dark. since with a fair bit of accuracy you can say a story has a mostly happy ending. and we don't know how it will turn out till we're finished.
Then again, their 'lighter' version is the loser's soul is sealed in the Shadow Realm for eternity until either the person you sent you there releases you or Judgement Day.hhh89 wrote...
I agree that the manga gets better with the card games. My shock was about the changes between the manga and the anime to make it more 'light' and appeal to a younger audience (like the heart of the cards and the fact that people don't die in to the Shadow Games).HiroVoid wrote...
I actually considered the manga pretty hilarious if we're talking about the times before the card games. Each chapter was basically 'Okay. Win this game.....OR GET SEVERELY INJURED OR DEATH'. Besides, at worst, the gang might get a bit beat up, but that was it. Yugi's grandfather having a heart attack was probably the only serious injury.
The manga's the original source anyway, so all canon material is that. As for AoT, I started reading it when it was about in its second chapter, but I haven't really kept up with it.hhh89 wrote...
@Hirovoid: Yeah, AoT definitely fits the description.
Do you watch the anime? I read only the manga, and I wonder if there are differences.
n7stormrunner wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Berserk's already an example listed despite not knowing the ending. Attack on Titan's a good recent example (and I even expect it to end on a fairly positive note due to its surprised popularity). Demon's and Dark Souls get it down atmosphere-wise.n7stormrunner wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Depends on how that setting's used. Sure. DA:O could be argued to have little chance for success in stopping the blight from an in-game perspective, but we ultimately know we'll end up stopping it. Same for the demon invasion in DA:Inquisition. To me at least, a truly dark setting is one where you really don't know if things'll turn well in the end as well as a tone that sets up set-back after set-back with the hope of success looking more grim.n7stormrunner wrote...
HiroVoid wrote...
Hate getting into specifics, but if the wikipedia definition's correct, then no. Dragon Age isn't dark fantasy. It may have dark moments, but the overall tone during the game isn't a dark one having more high fantasy moments than anything.
that implies that it can't be both... and I think they hopeless mission with little chance for success counts as a fairly dark tone as such things go.
by the defintion almost nothing counts as dark. since with a fair bit of accuracy you can say a story has a mostly happy ending. and we don't know how it will turn out till we're finished.
berserk is actually a poor example for this because it so overwhelmly dark, of couse nothing looks dark compared it. I can't say anything a attack on titan, demon and dark souls because I haven't played/ read them.
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I know the manga is canon. I was just wondering if the anime was lightened.HiroVoid wrote...
The manga's the original source anyway, so all canon material is that. As for AoT, I started reading it when it was about in its second chapter, but I haven't really kept up with it.hhh89 wrote...
@Hirovoid: Yeah, AoT definitely fits the description.
Do you watch the anime? I read only the manga, and I wonder if there are differences.
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