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[Eternal Phoenix]

Yes it is. Having high fantasy elements too doesn't make it strictly high fantasy. Unlike Lord of the Rings, it has demons, demonic possession, abominations, undead (okay I know LOTR has these too but Dragon Age had more of them and the undead in LOTR were lost souls who could be redeemed rather than mindless zombies) and grey narrative (i.e the Connor scenario) not to mention emphasis on grotesque monsters such as the darkspawn and the hideous transformations of areas due to darkspawn influence.

Maturity, sex and violence have nothing to do with dark fantasy. They can be part of dark fantasy but they don't define it. I don't know where people get that idea from. Dark fantasy is made "dark" by its inclusion of dark creatures such as vampires, demons and other monsters.

The only high fantasy elements with Dragon Age are the magic and dragons but there was more emphasis on the demons and darkspawn. Good endings are there because it's an RPG. That's what made Origins a great RPG: that you could possibly achieve the good ending for every outcome if you wanted to. The actual settings of some areas and the enemies you fought however made the game a dark fantasy.

Here's a good article on the definition:

http://www.thecreati...9/dark-fantasy/

Goodreads defines the genre as follows:

At its most basic, dark fantasy is a term used to describe a fantasy story with a pronounced horror element. A stricter definition is difficult to pin down, as authors, publishers, and readers have used "dark fantasy" in various contexts throughout the years. Dark fantasy is often used as a synonym for supernatural horror. Some authors and critics also apply the term to high fantasy stories that feature anti-heroic or morally ambiguous protagonists. Fantasy works by writers typically associated with the horror genre are sometimes described as "dark fantasy." Conversely, the term is also used to describe "darker" works by authors best-known for other styles of fantasy.

And I think it's fair to say Dragon Age features supernatural horror (i.e the demons) and anti-heroic and morally ambiguous protagonists (i.e from the companions to possibly the PC).

But I suppose Dragon Age is My Little Pony to some lost souls...

Modifié par Elton John is dead, 27 janvier 2014 - 03:28 .

[JCAP]

It is Dark Fantasy but to be honest, it doesn't feel like it. I consider Witcher even more dark, which is a little stupid because Dragon Age has more sickening things than witcher (broodmother, darkspawn, demons, etc...).

DA even has rooms filled with meat and blood, total nightmares, but... just doesn't feel dark. It's awkward thinking about it...

[Iakus]

It's a high fantasy with dark elements.  Which is fine by me.  Too often attempts to be "dark" merely end up being "pretentious"

Modifié par iakus, 27 janvier 2014 - 04:06 .

[LinksOcarina]

No one has made dark fantasy yet.

You have dark moments, like anything involving the deep roads or shades or demons, but thats about it.

[-Skorpious-]

If it is, it is really, really light. Some moments come close like fate of Branka's house, but the consequences of such actions are barely elaborated upon, and any sense of dread that arises is quickly replaced by cheap comedic gags a scene later.

As others have pointed out, The Witcher handles dark fantasy better, but you know what trumps even those games? Demons/Dark Souls. Those games are horribly, horribly depressing and terrifying if you bother to explore all the lore hidden in the game. Mostly depressing though (Quelaag's sister, and Maiden Astraea and so forth, the feels man  )

Modifié par -Skorpious-, 27 janvier 2014 - 05:02 .

[Seishoujyo]

DAO was kinda dark, but DA2 no, absolutely not, I have to admit that DA2 is softer than DAO, on sex and on violence too, you can't cut the head of your ennemy just like before.

I would say DAO is a game for adults, but DA2 is more a game for teens.

I hope DAI will be darker, way more darker....

Modifié par Seishoujyo, 27 janvier 2014 - 05:19 .

[Seishoujyo]

Wothen wrote...

HiroVoid wrote...

Wothen wrote...

Berserk is the definition of Dark Fantasy for me
Dark Souls/Demon Souls definitely is Dark Fantasy too
Shingeki no Kyojin (Attack on Titan) ....hmmm perhaps, lighter dark fantasy setting

Attack on Titan's shounen which means it focuses on a younger demographic, so I'd say that fits.  I already dislike labels though, so just 'dark fantasy' still works.  It just simply doesn't reach Berserk levels.  Haven't read it, but I've heard Devilman and Devilwoman are pretty high up there as well.  Of course, that's made by Go Nagai who has some of the best monster desigins in the entire fictional world.

I wonder why japanese are so good (or so keen) on doing dark settings
You should read Berserk, its a bloody masterpiece

Berserk is overrated, Claymore is way better than Berserk, Clare is a great protagonist, she doesn't have any feelings.

[DaringMoosejaw]

There are dark fantasy elements, but they certainly do not dominate the games. Definitely closer to high fantasy than low, however. I like where DA is, everybody's all Witcher this, Witcher that but I played through the first and could barely manage much of the second because I just sort of stopped caring about what happened and who it happened to because of how grey everything and everybody was. I'd rather have DA stay DA.

[Huge_Beaver]

Doesn't matter, it's great fun either way.

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

The True Dark Fantasy:
- around 95% of people are evil jerks
- Invasion of the monsters
- Everyone turns anti-religion and cynic as ****
- super duper hyper metal music
- Massacre of all men
- Rape of all women
- Devouring of all kids

or what Vort3xX said.

Elton John is dead knows everything better though. So, ditto.

[Face of Evil]

I find these threads to be a bit tiresome, and more often than a thinly-veiled attempt to criticize the game. "Well, Dragon Age purports itself to be dark fantasy and is clearly not, so that means it is presenting a falsehood and is therefore bad."

Perhaps the actual question we should be asking is whether or not the series meets this rather vague literary definition actually matters. Would you stop playing Dragon Age if it was proclaimed throughout the land as dark fantasy? Would you stop playing Dragon Age if the reverse occured? Does it make a difference either way?

Modifié par Face of Evil, 27 janvier 2014 - 07:23 .

[HiroVoid]

Face of Evil wrote...

I find these threads to be a bit tiresome, and more often than a thinly-veiled attempt to criticize the game. "Well, Dragon Age purports itself to be dark fantasy and is clearly not, so that means it is presenting a falsehood and is therefore bad."

Perhaps the actual question we should be asking is whether or not the series meets this rather vague literary definition actually matters. Would you stop playing Dragon Age if it was proclaimed throughout the land as dark fantasy? Would you stop playing Dragon Age if the reverse occured? Does it make a difference either way?

This is pretty much why I said I don't really care for labels.  I don't really consider Dragon Age dark fantasy, but that doesn't really matter to me.  There are places for steep dark fantasy (Demon's Souls), light-hearted(Grandia), and in-between like Dragon Age.  Most usually go the route of Dragon Age since like a poster previously posted, too much dark in the dark fantasy makes it harder for people to care about what happens next when everything's going bad.

[deuce985]

Definitely dark fantasy

[Cainhurst Crow]

Grimm fantasy maybe, like a grimm fairy tale in terms of monsters, bad things happening, and a general story book feel to the world.

But I wouldn't call it dark fantasy. Attack on Titian is more what I think dark fantasy is.

[Annie_Dear]

Dragon Age calls itself a "dark fantasy." It's rather cute, really, like a D&D nerd getting his ear pierced because he fancies the goth girl who works at Starbucks. Dragon Age isn't dark fantasy, nor is it light, gray, avocado, or caffeine-free fantasy, it's just straight fantasy classic. It's a straight-line Tetris block wiping out four big fat rows of demand for traditional single-player RPGs. It's got elves, dwarves, dragons, it's got a title screen depicting a sword sticking out of the ground, and the world map looks like a fire-breathing coffee drink has been sick on it; we're talking a hundred percent commitment here, where every individual element could be taken out of context and every single one could make your girlfriend legitimately call you a sad bastard.

- from the Zero Punctuation review for Origins.

Huge_Beaver wrote...

Doesn't matter, it's great fun either way.

Yes, agreed. (Well, I wasn't that sold on DA2, but it had it's moments)

Modifié par Annie_Dear, 27 janvier 2014 - 07:52 .

[Kaiser Arian XVII]

Annie_Dear wrote...

Dragon Age calls itself a "dark fantasy." It's rather cute, really, like a D&D nerd getting his ear pierced because he fancies the goth girl who works at Starbucks. Dragon Age isn't dark fantasy, nor is it light, gray, avocado, or caffeine-free fantasy, it's just straight fantasy classic. It's a straight-line Tetris block wiping out four big fat rows of demand for traditional single-player RPGs. It's got elves, dwarves, dragons, it's got a title screen depicting a sword sticking out of the ground, and the world map looks like a fire-breathing coffee drink has been sick on it; we're talking a hundred percent commitment here, where every individual element could be taken out of context and every single one could make your girlfriend legitimately call you a sad bastard.

- from the Zero Punctuation review for [i]Origins.

<_< Get lost.

[Annie_Dear]

Kaiser Arian wrote...

<_< Get lost.

Why, because I quoted a critic whom I agree with? Well excuse me princess.

[TheChris92]

I'd say it's pretty standard epic fantasy --- Dark Fantasy, usually refer to works of fantasy that makes heavily use of horror elements; That is to say that they have a gloomy atmosphere, a sense of horror and dread. A bit gothic-like. Lovecraft could probably be classified as this. I think the closest thing that Origins came to Dark Fantasy would be the Darkspawn & the Deep Roads chapter, where one discovers the origin of Darkspawn (Broodmothers).

Modifié par TheChris92, 27 janvier 2014 - 09:01 .

[TheChris92]

Annie_Dear wrote...

Dragon Age calls itself a "dark fantasy." It's rather cute, really, like a D&D nerd getting his ear pierced because he fancies the goth girl who works at Starbucks. Dragon Age isn't dark fantasy, nor is it light, gray, avocado, or caffeine-free fantasy, it's just straight fantasy classic. It's a straight-line Tetris block wiping out four big fat rows of demand for traditional single-player RPGs. It's got elves, dwarves, dragons, it's got a title screen depicting a sword sticking out of the ground, and the world map looks like a fire-breathing coffee drink has been sick on it; we're talking a hundred percent commitment here, where every individual element could be taken out of context and every single one could make your girlfriend legitimately call you a sad bastard.

- from the Zero Punctuation review for Origins.

Huge_Beaver wrote...

Doesn't matter, it's great fun either way.

Yes, agreed. (Well, I wasn't that sold on DA2, but it had it's moments)

I lol'd --- Uhmm, by the review that is not your comment. 

Modifié par TheChris92, 27 janvier 2014 - 09:08 .

[Maria Caliban]

No, it's not a dark fantasy.

[Noctis Augustus]

Pre-DA2? Yes. Post-DA2? No.

[Rotward]

I consider it dark but impersonal.

[Black Jimmy]

 It's Fantasy that happens to be quite dark.
Dark Fantasy is the blending of Fantasy and Horror. Assuming we're going by genre definitions.