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[Shampoohorn]

Deerber wrote...
... But that was before the most unpredictable and ridiculous balance change Bioware ever made 

Yeah, that was a wierd one.  Meanwhile the Disciple sat in the back row feeling neglected.  Poor Disciple.

[LemurFromTheId]

jrob6 wrote...

Count Silvershroud wrote...

Ignore the drone...

:blink::blink::pinched::pinched:

Fixed.

[jrob6]

Count Silvershroud wrote...

If you want pure DPS, casting the drone is a waste of time.  The only use is for distracting Phantoms, but incindiary/disruptor ammo combined with overload makes very quick work of them anyways, and renders their anti-power bubble pointless.

 

No and no.  A power with a quick cooldown that is a free aggro dump and detonates both fire explosions and tech bursts is not a waste of time or DPS.  

Thanks & best regards...

(couldn't help myself)

[LemurFromTheId]

Deerber wrote...
No but seriously, the Slayer's awesome too. He's always been my second love  Funny, I remember when he was considered trash by most here... But that was before the most unpredictable and ridiculous balance change Bioware ever made 

That really was something else... I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the weekly post.

[Jaded4Chaos]

Deerber wrote...

Jaded4Chaos wrote...

Deerber wrote...

I'm sorry man, bit if you think that any vanguard has not enough survivability to render the more survivability provided by the Kroguard completely pointless, then you still need to learn a lot about this game.

The Kroguard's very noob-friendly, I'll give you that. But the OP didn't seem to ask that, to me. And in a full team, if the player is decently experienced, then the Kroguard is actually the least damaging of all vanguards.

The DrellGod is king. And not only in the vanguard sector... 

I didn't say he was the best, I said he's nothing to laugh at when having Incen. Reegar.  That uptime just soaking in the damage while melting everything is not bad.

Slayer is King Vanguard

Yeah, if the only weapon you use is a reegar, then yeah, the kroguard's the best. But if you allow other guns, then... The uptime becomes trivial 

Oh and... DrellGod > Slayer 

No but seriously, the Slayer's awesome too. He's always been my second love  Funny, I remember when he was considered trash by most here... But that was before the most unpredictable and ridiculous balance change Bioware ever made 

Yep, without Reegar it tanks.  But, is a lot of fun to run him melee since they fixed his bonuses.

I was shocked by the change to PD as well.  It was already great.

[Silvershroud]

jrob6 wrote...

Count Silvershroud wrote...

If you want pure DPS, casting the drone is a waste of time.  The only use is for distracting Phantoms, but incindiary/disruptor ammo combined with overload makes very quick work of them anyways, and renders their anti-power bubble pointless.

 

No and no.  A power with a quick cooldown that is a free aggro dump and detonates both fire explosions and tech bursts is not a waste of time or DPS.  

Thanks & best regards...

(couldn't help myself)

Yes, the drone detonates explosions, but so does incinerate and overload, and they are far easier to actually hit a target with, and they both prime as well as detonate.  If you are relying on it for aggro dumping, you are in for a lot of pain, as it is incredibly unrealiable for that against anything but phantoms.  It also has the unhelpful (though admittedly very amusing) effect of making your PUGs shoot at it during geth games, and follow it around during escorts.  I once had a guy swearing over his mic about a bugged drone, and he actually tried to nuke it twice before he realized that it wasn't an enemy.  I got stomped because I was laughing to hard to find my medigel button.

I used to have one of my engineers specced for the drone, but I found that the droneless one was amost always more effective. Don't get me wrong, if you love the drone, by all means, go for it.  It is certainly a good power.  I just have very little use for it on the HE.  My droneless HE is easily my highest scoring build.  I'm not all about points, but if you are looking for a measure of DPS, looking at the score is a good place to start.

Modifié par Count Silvershroud, 28 janvier 2014 - 01:47 .

[Chief Capo]

Talon Merc is DPS god, cain trip mine spam easy causes 10k+ damage in a matter of 5 seconds, more or less, lmaooooooooooooooooo

[Dr. Tim Whatley]

Late to the discussion, but I agree that the drone on the HE is a waste of time. Looking for crowd control, you have chain overload for that. You might as well use every opportunity you have to FE and TB everything.

[Supreme Leech]

Talon mercenary with cain mines (specced for radius, damage, armour damage) with a power amplifier 4. Highest dps character in the game. Holds the record times for the fastest gold and platinum solos on console. You can use a talon pistol (power amp mod and heavy barrel, with armour piercing rounds), or an acolyte/cerberus harrier combo (armour piercing rounds).

Geth flamer (acolyte, collector smg, reegar carbine - incendiary ammo). Power amplifier or cyclonic modulator. Always max out hunter mode.

Turian infiltrator (cerberus harrier with armour piercing ammo, lancer with incendiary ammo)

Alliance infiltrator (reegar carbine with incendiary ammo; claymore, raider and piranha with armour piercing ammo)

Geth infiltrator (venom, javelin, black widow, talon, hurricane, raider, piranha, claymore, cerberus harrier). Incendiary ammo on the venom, phasic rounds on the javelin, warp/armour piercing/disruptor/phasic rounds on the black widow, armour piercing on everything else.

N7 fury adept with an acolyte and collector smg, warp rounds 4, cyclonic 4, geth scanner.

Krogan vanguard with reegar carbine with incendiary ammo, cyclonic 4 and geth scanner.

N7 paladin with talon/piranha/hurricane/collector smg, armour piercing rounds, cyclonic modulator, geth scanner, max out energy drain, snap freeze and incinerate.

Asari sentinel with acolyte and collector smg, warp or incendiary rounds, geth scanner, adrenaline mod or cyclonic 4.

Krogan soldier and batarian soldier with a reegar and incendiary ammo. Grenade capacity 5.

Turian soldier with hurricane (magazine upgrade and heatsink), armour piercing rounds 4.

[Supreme Leech]

Ares_GoW wrote...

+1 for eaz mode. These truly are HIGH dps kit/weapon combos.

:happy:

[Kislitsin]

Well, if we talk about dark DPS...
As soon as my rares and mods were maxed I started to PUG platinum games, and I find myself a platinum crutch that worked for me quite well.

Bad guy Senturian. Do you really need overload to strip shields or CC with claymoar? His bestest passives (including HS bonus) allow to OHK any mook. On-Host phantoms die quickly with cheeze (you know how to warp a phantom, do you?). Bawses are lol. Tankiness is insane.

And the best part - in comparison with reeger-AIU/GT-lolcolyte people wouldn't think bad about you. C'mon it's a TSent, he probably has a reason to cheese, he is a veteran after all, he fought for you on Shanxi.

Modifié par Kislitsin, 28 janvier 2014 - 11:12 .

[LemurFromTheId]

Kislitsin wrote...

Well, if we talk about dark DPS...
As soon as my rares and mods were maxed I started to PUG platinum games, and I find myself a platinum crutch that worked for me quite well.

Bad guy Senturian. Do you really need overload to strip shields or CC with claymoar? His bestest passives (including HS bonus) allow to OHK any mook. On-Host phantoms die quickly with cheeze (you know how to warp a phantom, do you?). Bawses are lol. Tankiness is insane.

And the best part - in comparison with reeger-AIU/GT-lolcolyte people wouldn't think bad about you. C'mon it's a TSent, he probably has a reason to cheese, he is a veteran after all, he fought for you on Shanxi.

Incendiary glitching? Really? And you mock me for using Wraith...

[Deerber]

XFG-65 wrote...

Talon mercenary with cain mines (specced for radius, damage, armour damage) with a power amplifier 4. Highest dps character in the game. Holds the record times for the fastest gold and platinum solos on console. You can use a talon pistol (power amp mod and heavy barrel, with armour piercing rounds), or an acolyte/cerberus harrier combo (armour piercing rounds).

To be entirely honest, though... The OP seems to be talking about team matches. And in team matches, the talon is not nearly ad good ad you make it seem. Given the fact that the mines do not explode instantly but you need to use 2-3 of them before they do, if you're playing with good teammates, by the time they explode, only the bosses will be left, and sometimes not even them. So... You're not going to kill much, and he's not good at all.

If play with pugs, on the other hand... 

[Kislitsin]

Aedolon wrote...

Kislitsin wrote...

Well, if we talk about dark DPS...
As soon as my rares and mods were maxed I started to PUG platinum games, and I find myself a platinum crutch that worked for me quite well.

Bad guy Senturian. Do you really need overload to strip shields or CC with claymoar? His bestest passives (including HS bonus) allow to OHK any mook. On-Host phantoms die quickly with cheeze (you know how to warp a phantom, do you?). Bawses are lol. Tankiness is insane.

And the best part - in comparison with reeger-AIU/GT-lolcolyte people wouldn't think bad about you. C'mon it's a TSent, he probably has a reason to cheese, he is a veteran after all, he fought for you on Shanxi.

Incendiary glitching? Really? And you mock me for using Wraith...

C'mon, it's a TSent He is allowed to do whatever he wants. But one can change IA for warp ammo.

I almost finished reeger (EB mode, AP ammo III, no amp) solo with him now. White carebears no rockets. synced at the end of 10. ~23 minutes ))
20 headshots medal on wave 7

But of course PPR is much more op because you know, accuracy and clip size and stuff...

[lightswitch]

The highest DPS setups are the GI + Talon + Armored Compartments and the Kroguard + Reegar + Armored Compartments.

Everything else is hipster BS. It's ridiculous how BSN can't give the simplest questions a straight answer.

[NuclearTech76]

lightswitch wrote...

The highest DPS setups are the GI + Talon + Armored Compartments and the Kroguard + Reegar + Armored Compartments.

Everything else is hipster BS. It's ridiculous how BSN can't give the simplest questions a straight answer.

Javelin GI is hipster? 

[lightswitch]

NuclearTech76 wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

The highest DPS setups are the GI + Talon + Armored Compartments and the Kroguard + Reegar + Armored Compartments.

Everything else is hipster BS. It's ridiculous how BSN can't give the simplest questions a straight answer.

Javelin GI is hipster? 

one shot clip

[FuriousFelicia]

lightswitch wrote...

The highest DPS setups are the GI + Talon + Armored Compartments and the Kroguard + Reegar + Armored Compartments.

Everything else is hipster BS. It's ridiculous how BSN can't give the simplest questions a straight answer.

Nothing simple when we all have different opinions, and there will always be those who just can't help to correct others if their answer does not collide with their opinion. See I think a well played Slayer can out dps your Kroguard=]

[lightswitch]

FuriousFelicia wrote...

lightswitch wrote...

The highest DPS setups are the GI + Talon + Armored Compartments and the Kroguard + Reegar + Armored Compartments.

Everything else is hipster BS. It's ridiculous how BSN can't give the simplest questions a straight answer.

Nothing simple when we all have different opinions, and there will always be those who just can't help to correct others if their answer does not collide with their opinion. See I think a well played Slayer can out dps your Kroguard=]

first get a sub 15 minute gold solo with the Slayer, then we'll talk.

[Supreme Leech]

Deerber wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

Talon mercenary with cain mines (specced for radius, damage, armour damage) with a power amplifier 4. Highest dps character in the game. Holds the record times for the fastest gold and platinum solos on console. You can use a talon pistol (power amp mod and heavy barrel, with armour piercing rounds), or an acolyte/cerberus harrier combo (armour piercing rounds).

To be entirely honest, though... The OP seems to be talking about team matches. And in team matches, the talon is not nearly ad good ad you make it seem. Given the fact that the mines do not explode instantly but you need to use 2-3 of them before they do, if you're playing with good teammates, by the time they explode, only the bosses will be left, and sometimes not even them. So... You're not going to kill much, and he's not good at all.

If play with pugs, on the other hand... 

Yes, you definitely have a point...but it's not very clear-cut. It depends on the player. In certain situations, his dps cannot be matched (platinum solo on giant hazard against cerberus, the fact that he holds the records for the fastest solos on console surely says something about how ridiculous his dps is). But lets say, if you were playing geth condor...you're not always going to get the same results.

Having said that, the best talon players are able to use the character to near maximum effectiveness on any map, against any faction, in any situation. Now I really suck with the character, so for me, his dps is actually very low, because I'm just completely hopeless with him and keep getting killed and using up my thermal clips too quickly, I definitely can't play the character effectively. But I do happen to know a couple of players with whom I've played who are extremely effective with the talon in team platinum games against any enemy on any map, with good teammates that is. So he can definitely be a versatile character.

The situation you describe (highlighted in bold) is not one I am familiar with. I find the opposite to be true - a good talon player will destroy the entire spawn in a matter of seconds before I've even had a chance to do anything.

[Deerber]

XFG-65 wrote...

Deerber wrote...

XFG-65 wrote...

Talon mercenary with cain mines (specced for radius, damage, armour damage) with a power amplifier 4. Highest dps character in the game. Holds the record times for the fastest gold and platinum solos on console. You can use a talon pistol (power amp mod and heavy barrel, with armour piercing rounds), or an acolyte/cerberus harrier combo (armour piercing rounds).

To be entirely honest, though... The OP seems to be talking about team matches. And in team matches, the talon is not nearly ad good ad you make it seem. Given the fact that the mines do not explode instantly but you need to use 2-3 of them before they do, if you're playing with good teammates, by the time they explode, only the bosses will be left, and sometimes not even them. So... You're not going to kill much, and he's not good at all.

If play with pugs, on the other hand... 

Yes, you definitely have a point...but it's not very clear-cut. It depends on the player. In certain situations, his dps cannot be matched (platinum solo on giant hazard against cerberus, the fact that he holds the records for the fastest solos on console surely says something about how ridiculous his dps is). But lets say, if you were playing geth condor...you're not always going to get the same results.

Having said that, the best talon players are able to use the character to near maximum effectiveness on any map, against any faction, in any situation. Now I really suck with the character, so for me, his dps is actually very low, because I'm just completely hopeless with him and keep getting killed and using up my thermal clips too quickly, I definitely can't play the character effectively. But I do happen to know a couple of players with whom I've played who are extremely effective with the talon in team platinum games against any enemy on any map, with good teammates that is. So he can definitely be a versatile character.

The situation you describe (highlighted in bold) is not one I am familiar with. I find the opposite to be true - a good talon player will destroy the entire spawn in a matter of seconds before I've even had a chance to do anything.

To clarify: what I said was refered to rather specific conditions: gold, full team game, and with good teammates. Why? Simply cause that's the way I have the most fun in this game, so if I'm asked to provide an opinion I will usually provide one that reflects that. I will leave other people, who prefer other kinds of games and have more experience with them, speak about that.

For example, it's pretty obvious from the times that the talon is a wonderful solo character. But as I said, not what I'm talking about.

And yeah, on platinum the boss spam completely changes that meta game, so I can see the talon doing great in full team matches too.

But on gold, with good teammates that are going to aggro the spawns less than 5 secs after they spawn... Things are different. The 2-3 secs it takes to dish out the mines are the 2-3 secs in which 80% of the damage to the spawn is done. So when they detonate... They ain't gonna kill much. And even if you can somewhat get around that by pre-placing 2 of them... It's not always easy to that in time and to predict the right spawn, and that's not gonna help with mid-wave spawns.

Under the conditions I have explained, the most important things are two: not only how much damage you can generate, but also how fast are you able to generate it. The Talon's great at the first thing, not so much at the second...


Edit: also Lights, stop trolling 

Modifié par Deerber, 28 janvier 2014 - 03:40 .

[lightswitch]

Deerber wrote...
Edit: also Lights, stop trolling 

I'm not trolling.

The OP didn't ask some vague question about what kits can be used to great effect. The answer to that would be most of them. He asked which kits (including weapons and equipment) have the highest damage output.

The metagame in ME3 MP was beaten literally years ago. There's no debate left. Players far more skilled than the ones who still remain here identified, optimized, and mastered the most powerful kit and weapon combos in the game, and demonstrated their superiority in a multitude of videos.

Are there lots of other great kits? Sure. The GI Javelin is an amazing setup and there are many others, but that's not what the OP asked. The superiority of the GI Talon (to pretty much everything) has been proven over and over and over again. There's really not that much room left for debate.

P.S. I probably should have included the flamer Geth Trooper with the other two I mentioned.

Modifié par lightswitch, 28 janvier 2014 - 03:58 .

[Deerber]

lightswitch wrote...

Deerber wrote...
Edit: also Lights, stop trolling 

I'm not trolling.

The OP didn't ask some vague question about what kits can be used to great effect. The answer to that would be most of them. He asked which kits (including weapons and equipment) have the highest damage output.

The metagame in ME3 MP was beaten literally years ago. There's no debate left. Players far more skilled than the ones who still remain here identified, optimized, and mastered the most powerful kit and weapon combos in the game, and demonstrated their superiority in a multitude of videos.

Are there lots of other great kits? Sure. The GI Javelin is an amazing setup and there are many others, but that's not what the OP asked. The superiority of the GI Talon (to pretty much everything) has been proven over and over and over again. There's really not that much room left for debate.

P.S. I probably should have included the flamer Geth Trooper with the other two I mentioned.

Lights... Please widen your views. The OP's question wasn't as cut out as you make it seem. For once, he didn't state if what he wanted to know was relative to solos or team games.

If he was strictly talking about solos then your answer is kind of correct in a kind of objective way. But he didn't say that.

If he was talking about team games, then you're far from being even half right. Every half decent player can outscore a reegar kroguard with pretty much any kit. And I can say that, personally, I'm easily capable of outscoring any Talon GI with a variety of kits. Well, maybe not that many, but at least 3 I can think of.

Plus, if you wanna be so strict in interpreting what the OP asked... He asked about "high dps kits". Now if you really wanna follow that and only say which are the kits that can achieve the highest possible dps, then the answer is either GT + reegar or Krogan/Batarian soldier + reegar. Period.

So as you see... There is always room for seeing things differently and not be wrong about it.

[lightswitch]

There's no room for seeing things so differently that someone can suggest the Human Engineer is one of the highest DPS kits in the game, and then have that suggestion met with approval (by experienced members of the community no less). Unreal.

I mean seriously...what the huh kind of drivel gets spouted by the 'elite' around here these days? Am I going to have to come back full time just to save any new players who might drift in? Props to Mrs_Anomaly (long time no see) for actually having a lick of sense and some perspective about one of her favorite characters.

Oh, and btw, the greatest feats of scorewhoring I have ever witnessed were by Lord Sirian, Mollusk, and BHamlyn/IMWarden, all with the GI in various configurations. Grenades and vanguards can shove it - GI is the best.

edit: lol so many edits, sorry

Modifié par lightswitch, 28 janvier 2014 - 04:31 .