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[Jaulen]

dreamgazer wrote...

This makes no sense. Why, exactly, are the eons-old, technologically-complex Reapers just able to be rebooted as if I'm reformatting my jump drive? 

Umm.....isn't that kind of what the blue light does?
Reboots the reaper directive based on new programming i.e. Shepard?

spirosz wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

spirosz wrote...

caldas wrote...

"IMO, the problems lie with ME3 above all else"

Agreed

It can't - the flaws were present since ME1.

But, imo, they were most prominent -and most pervasive- in ME3.

Fair enough, but they weren't just there because of being there - they were built from what was built up in the previous two games.

ME series was fun, and rage inducing at the end......but it was really a hot mess of narrative cohesion overall.

Modifié par Jaulen, 28 janvier 2014 - 04:52 .

[dreamgazer]

Jaulen wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

This makes no sense. Why, exactly, are the eons-old, technologically-complex Reapers just able to be rebooted as if I'm reformatting my jump drive? 

Umm.....isn't that kind of what the blue light does?
Reboots the reaper directive based on new programming i.e. Shepard?

Not really, no.  There's a difference between swapping a new consciousness to direct the Reapers via the Crucible's technology (there's pre-established lore about uploading consciousnesses) and a hard, easy reboot from consoles that have been there for cycles upon cycles. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 28 janvier 2014 - 04:58 .

[GreyLycanTrope]

Refuse would be the easiest. Everyone dies, fast forward to the future, clean slate, no imports necessary.

[spirosz]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Refuse would be the easiest. Everyone dies, fast forward to the future, clean slate, no imports necessary.

That's how I see it as well.  

[dreamgazer]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Refuse would be the easiest. Everyone dies, fast forward to the future, clean slate, no imports necessary.

No humans, either.

[Mcfly616]

Robosexual wrote...

Destroy? Removing synthetics from a sci-fi game?

God no.

You must have missed that bit about our children's children creating synthetics and the chaos coming back....

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreamgazer wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Refuse would be the easiest. Everyone dies, fast forward to the future, clean slate, no imports necessary.

No humans, either.

Good, humans are boring and them being special was overused in the trilogy. Alien protag pls.

[dreamgazer]

Greylycantrope wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Refuse would be the easiest. Everyone dies, fast forward to the future, clean slate, no imports necessary.

No humans, either.

Good, humans are boring and them being special was overused in the trilogy. Alien protag pls.

I don't hate that idea, and I certainly don't care about the "humans = special" thing, but you and I both know that plenty of BioWare's fans would have a major problem with that. I don't see them making a game without humans. 

Modifié par dreamgazer, 28 janvier 2014 - 05:09 .

[spirosz]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Robosexual wrote...

Destroy? Removing synthetics from a sci-fi game?

God no.

You must have missed that bit about our children's children creating synthetics and the chaos coming back....

Aliens and Humans don't cause chaos either!

Right on! 

[Kel Riever]

AlanC9 wrote...

I almost want them to canonize Synthesis just so I can watch the nerdrage.

Oh it would be incredible.

Honestly, I don't understand why if a person hasn't already raged, that they would suddenly rage at this.  I guess a person would have to have fallen in love with the High EMS ending, love BioWare and really hate Synthesis.  Which would make that person pretty special in my mind.  But I have no doubt they are out there.  And I have no doubt there would be rage...

[GreyLycanTrope]

dreamgazer wrote...
I don't hate that idea, and I certainly
don't care about the "humans = special" thing, but you and I both know that plenty of BioWare's fans would have a major problem with that. I don't see them making a game without humans. 

True which is I'm disinclined to think they'd do a follow up to being with. Way too many ways to anger people by disregarding their options. Midquel seems most likely to me, there's a two year gap between ME1 and ME2 with no Shepard(whom they've made pretty clear they want move on from) and plenty of opportunity for past squadmates to cameo to appease fans, plus that way they also wouldn't have to make an enemy that tops the Reapers since they can just use them again. Also moar Cerberus. That's my prediction anyways.

Modifié par Greylycantrope, 28 janvier 2014 - 05:18 .

[Kel Riever]

StreetMagic wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

I almost want them to canonize Synthesis just so I can watch the nerdrage.

Oh it would be incredible.

Honestly, I don't understand why if a person hasn't already raged, that they would suddenly rage at this.  I guess a person would have to have fallen in love with the High EMS ending, love BioWare and really hate Synthesis.  Which would make that person pretty special in my mind.  But I have no doubt they are out there.  And I have no doubt there would be rage...

Wait, I'm confused. Is there something wrong with loving Bioware and the high EMS ending?

Nah, but why would you then rage all over BioWare for canonizing Synthesis?  You know they love it.  So if you love the BioWare, there wouldn't be a giant nerdrage outflow would there?   I mean, would a person suddenly rage all over BioWare for choosing a different ending that they pretty much clearly favor just because it wasn't high EMS destroy?

Honestly, I am beginning to agree that BioWare should make Synthesis Canon.  I too want to see the rage. 

[dreamgazer]

StreetMagic wrote...

Wait, I'm confused. Is there something wrong with loving Bioware and the high EMS ending?

You're not cool on this board unless you hate BioWare and ME3 with a passion.

[Mcfly616]

You won't find many sci fi novels, games or movies that don't involve humans in some capacity. It just doesn't really happen. More often than not there is something unique about humankind, if not unique they're always seen involved in significant events.

I've read about 75 sci fi novels since I graduated a decade ago. 25 in the last 2 years (I really got back into reading after ME3). And in all of those novels (classics, space opera, hard sci fi, the emergence of cyberpunk, modern sci fi), only 2 of them were told completely from the alien perspective, and only one was completely absent of humans in general.

Take into account that Bioware seems to like their humans, I don't think we're gonna see a game without them.

Modifié par Mcfly616, 28 janvier 2014 - 05:35 .

[Iakus]

Obadiah wrote...

I've been reading some Dragon Age comics and books where the outcomes of some characters in the games I played were completely disregarded. I have come to the rather comfortable realization that I'll be fine if they don't carry my decisions into the next game. If the story is good, I'll probably enjoy the game move on.

That said, I hope they find a way to carry my ending decision.

They've been pretty clear with the comic's that the writing only follows one possible timeline for the Dragon Age games.  And that if they don't follow your own canon, then the events either happened differently or not at all.

As for the ME endings, canonizing anything will cause an angry backlash.  Even a popular one.  They've stated over and over that "there is no canon"  In addition, some people can only choose an ending due to some heavy-duty headcanon (such as IT) to have that headcanon stripped away will cause further uproar.

Besides which, there's a lot more than the ending choice which will have to be canonized.  The genophage.  Rannoch.  Kahje, High or Low EMS outcomes, etc

[mopotter]

dreamgazer wrote...

Greylycantrope wrote...

Refuse would be the easiest. Everyone dies, fast forward to the future, clean slate, no imports necessary.

No humans, either.

No Asari,  Krogran,  

Might have the monkeys from Eletania and the gas bags from Eden Prime.

Can't say I really want to do the whole cycle over again.

[Mcfly616]

StreetMagic wrote...

I don't know how much they love it really. I'd be surprised if it was across the board. I don't even know how much Casey Hudson himself loves it. He goes out of his way to say the "story is not his". And that he didn't want to give any solid answers about synthetic life - he just wanted people to think about the issues.

Are you saying that the fact that he didn't want to convey any sort of black and white clear-cut interpretation of synthetic life, is some how his way of distancing himself from having creative control over the game?

[Derpy]

Canonized ending will be refuse and the PC in ME4 will be a ghoul from F:NV and you will bossfight the Bratalyst and end up getting radiated to no return.

[Kel Riever]

There's really no need to canonize the ending. The pretty big hint is that they want something 'that has nothing to do' with Mass Effect 3.

Which, you know, is sort of par for the course from BioWare. If it is hard to fix, just don't.

[mopotter]

Mcfly616 wrote...

You won't find many sci fi novels, games or movies that don't involve humans in some capacity. It just doesn't really happen. More often than not there is something unique about humankind, if not unique they're always seen involved in significant events.

I've read about 75 sci fi novels since I graduated a decade ago. 25 in the last 2 years (I really got back into reading after ME3). And in all of those novels (classics, space opera, hard sci fi, the emergence of cyberpunk, modern sci fi), only 2 of them were told completely from the alien perspective, and only one was completely absent of humans in general.

Take into account that Bioware seems to like their humans, I don't think we're gonna see a game without them.

 

Also can't think of many without humans at least in the story.  One of my favorites is Andre Norton "Breed to Come" - Earth destroyed by man made virus, humans leave, humans come back because their new world has been destroyed by them;  and the animals left behind who had been experimented on looking for cures, have evolved;  do the humans go home so Earth can be reclaimed, or leave the new breeds to continue evolving by never going back home.  Good book.

I would expect BW to include humans too.  

[liggy002]

Robosexual wrote...

Destroy? Removing synthetics from a sci-fi game?

God no.

As I said, you don't need to remove the synthetics.  If far enough into the future, people will rebuild them.  Also, who's to say that the Catalyst wasn't lying about the synthetics going boom boom.