A reboot is just not going to happen. They just finished this trilogy, and then they're going to do it all over again, but differently? Really?
I just don't see it happening. Maybe after a few more games, but not at this point.
Who's to say that Bioware wont just canonize destroy?
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#177
Posté 04 février 2014 - 03:27
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DoomsdayDevice wrote...
A reboot is just not going to happen. They just finished this trilogy, and then they're going to do it all over again, but differently? Really?
I just don't see it happening. Maybe after a few more games, but not at this point.
Then an AU. A Mass Effect universe where the trilogy never happened.
#178
Posté 04 février 2014 - 03:49
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Does that mean more Reapers, or do we pretend the Protheans built everything?
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Posté 04 février 2014 - 03:56
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AlanC9 wrote...
Does that mean more Reapers, or do we pretend the Protheans built everything?
Either:
1) The Reaper War happened, but did not unfold as described in the Shepard trilogy
or
2) Protheans built everything (as far as we know) with perhaps hints that it was an older race
I'm flexible, I could go with either
#180
Posté 05 février 2014 - 01:13
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Not sure why you editted my post as 'if' and 'when' mean the same thing.Massa FX wrote...
Gkonone wrote...
They will happenTurianRebel212 wrote...
RETCONS!!!
They will happen.
There will be retcons!!!
Prepare yourself.... For their arrival.whenif the next ME game is a failure and they decide to bring Shepard back to life
I wouldn't be surprised if that happened actually.
Yup
#181
Posté 05 février 2014 - 10:24
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It'd be great if they followed a post-industrial alien race that had not yet made alien contact, not yet discovering a mass relay, and then all of a sudden a green wave moves over the entire planet and they're like, WTF just happened?
Then they make contact and struggle to understand their place in the universe.
Then they make contact and struggle to understand their place in the universe.
#182
Posté 07 février 2014 - 01:12
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StreetMagic wrote...
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Destroy? Removing synthetics from a sci-fi game?
God no.
i just want the Reapers finished. Done. Gone. GTFO please.
This can be done on control/synthetic. Just because the reapers survived, it doesn't mean they have to stay in the story. They can go back to dark space and become a legend again with time.
Personally I like control. It preserve synthetics and create an interesting scenario with the reapers controlled by Shepard. If they help rebuild things then vanish to dark space, it bring all kind of opportunities. For example, you can create a new religion, people that see Shepard as come kind of god, with prophecies about his return. This kind of thing would be only in the background, maybe as theme of some side quests,with the main plot foccusing on something entirely new.
This way you don't have reapers anymore, but preserve synthetics.
#183
Posté 08 février 2014 - 07:31
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Fools,this is the true ending
-at the run towards the beam-
After Shepard's love interest gets blasted he puts them back on the normandy and gets a Cain
Shep: Hey Harbinger!
Harbinger: Do not make me destr-
Shep: "Assume Direct Control of this!"
Shepard fires the cain, blows up Harbinger, goes through beam.
-confronting TIM-
TIM: We can control them, you don't
TIM gets headbutted by Shep and on Tuchanka the Shaman sheds a single tear of joy.
Shep: Stay here and look pretty Anderson, I got this
Anderson: I was born in london you know
Shepard shoots Anderson and goes up the lift.
Catalyst: What are you doing here?
Shep: I'm kicking ass and chewing bubble gum!
Catalyst:
The reapers are my solution to the conflict between synthetics and
organics, I control them but you being up here proves my solution
doesn't work anymore, You can destroy the Reapers by shooting the tube,
but that's bad because it will kill the geth and you are partly
synthetic. You can control the Reapers with those pylons, but you will
lose everything you are. Or you could jump into the beam of energy to
synthesize everyone into hybrid cyborgs.
Shep looks at the pylons and back at the Catalyst
Shep: So you control the Reapers
Catalyst: Yes, they are my-
Shep: yeah, solution, whatever. If I grab those, that would send a signal to let me control them but vaporize me, right?
Catalyst: Yes, you will lose everything you-
Shepard picks up the Catalyst
Catalyst: What are you doing?
Shao Kahn: FINISH HIM
Shepard throws the Catalyst into the pylons, vaporising him and blows up the Reapers through a feedback loop.
Shao Kahn: Shepard wins, FATALITY
As the Citadel is blowing up Shep jumps off and lands on the hulls of the Normandy
Shep: Open the Airlock you ******!
-on board the Normandy-
EDI: Upon further review, I have found that Shepard is much more attractive then you Jeff and he makes my lady bits tingle.
Joker: ;A;
And then everyone has sex, except Joker, and Ashley, and the kid.
-at the run towards the beam-
After Shepard's love interest gets blasted he puts them back on the normandy and gets a Cain
Shep: Hey Harbinger!
Harbinger: Do not make me destr-
Shep: "Assume Direct Control of this!"
Shepard fires the cain, blows up Harbinger, goes through beam.
-confronting TIM-
TIM: We can control them, you don't
TIM gets headbutted by Shep and on Tuchanka the Shaman sheds a single tear of joy.
Shep: Stay here and look pretty Anderson, I got this
Anderson: I was born in london you know
Shepard shoots Anderson and goes up the lift.
Catalyst: What are you doing here?
Shep: I'm kicking ass and chewing bubble gum!
Catalyst:
The reapers are my solution to the conflict between synthetics and
organics, I control them but you being up here proves my solution
doesn't work anymore, You can destroy the Reapers by shooting the tube,
but that's bad because it will kill the geth and you are partly
synthetic. You can control the Reapers with those pylons, but you will
lose everything you are. Or you could jump into the beam of energy to
synthesize everyone into hybrid cyborgs.
Shep looks at the pylons and back at the Catalyst
Shep: So you control the Reapers
Catalyst: Yes, they are my-
Shep: yeah, solution, whatever. If I grab those, that would send a signal to let me control them but vaporize me, right?
Catalyst: Yes, you will lose everything you-
Shepard picks up the Catalyst
Catalyst: What are you doing?
Shao Kahn: FINISH HIM
Shepard throws the Catalyst into the pylons, vaporising him and blows up the Reapers through a feedback loop.
Shao Kahn: Shepard wins, FATALITY
As the Citadel is blowing up Shep jumps off and lands on the hulls of the Normandy
Shep: Open the Airlock you ******!
-on board the Normandy-
EDI: Upon further review, I have found that Shepard is much more attractive then you Jeff and he makes my lady bits tingle.
Joker: ;A;
And then everyone has sex, except Joker, and Ashley, and the kid.
#184
Posté 08 février 2014 - 09:34
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Sajuro wrote...
Fools,this is the true ending
-at the run towards the beam-
After Shepard's love interest gets blasted he puts them back on the normandy and gets a Cain
Shep: Hey Harbinger!
Harbinger: Do not make me destr-
Shep: "Assume Direct Control of this!"
Shepard fires the cain, blows up Harbinger, goes through beam.
-confronting TIM-
TIM: We can control them, you don't
TIM gets headbutted by Shep and on Tuchanka the Shaman sheds a single tear of joy.
Shep: Stay here and look pretty Anderson, I got this
Anderson: I was born in london you know
Shepard shoots Anderson and goes up the lift.
Catalyst: What are you doing here?
Shep: I'm kicking ass and chewing bubble gum!
Catalyst:
The reapers are my solution to the conflict between synthetics and
organics, I control them but you being up here proves my solution
doesn't work anymore, You can destroy the Reapers by shooting the tube,
but that's bad because it will kill the geth and you are partly
synthetic. You can control the Reapers with those pylons, but you will
lose everything you are. Or you could jump into the beam of energy to
synthesize everyone into hybrid cyborgs.
Shep looks at the pylons and back at the Catalyst
Shep: So you control the Reapers
Catalyst: Yes, they are my-
Shep: yeah, solution, whatever. If I grab those, that would send a signal to let me control them but vaporize me, right?
Catalyst: Yes, you will lose everything you-
Shepard picks up the Catalyst
Catalyst: What are you doing?
Shao Kahn: FINISH HIM
Shepard throws the Catalyst into the pylons, vaporising him and blows up the Reapers through a feedback loop.
Shao Kahn: Shepard wins, FATALITY
As the Citadel is blowing up Shep jumps off and lands on the hulls of the Normandy
Shep: Open the Airlock you ******!
-on board the Normandy-
EDI: Upon further review, I have found that Shepard is much more attractive then you Jeff and he makes my lady bits tingle.
Joker: ;A;
And then everyone has sex, except Joker, and Ashley, and the kid.
why couldn't bioware hire you to write the ending? I think I'd have preferred that to what we actually got.
#185
Posté 11 février 2014 - 01:25
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I'd be fine with them canonizing Destroy. It's the least silly of the endings, and it creates the least amount of problems with the rest of the narrative.
#186
Posté 11 février 2014 - 05:01
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You know, they could just make the next game in the middle of things currently. Year is 2179, right before all the craziness happens. Nothing wrong with that either, of course.
#187
Posté 11 février 2014 - 05:28
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It could simply be an elsewhere world story. I am comic book fan, elsewhere stories spawned some of the best and the worse comic story ever. Could also be a reboot, again some reboots are good, some are god awful cough NEW 52 cough. Hell it could be a tie in, Mass effect trilogy makes alot of huge off screen leaps with shepard doing galactic scale work. An example could be Star wars fan favorite boba fett, he has very little screen time, yet games and stories are made around him, when hes not on screen hes doing work. In many of these cricumstances the main cast doesent even need to be mentioned once, the galaxy is a vast place.
Id take being a space pirate going around the mass effect universe during the ME story line and be counter productive if done well. You could hear stuff about the war, yet not being mentioned much else because it has no effect on your work until the very end of ME3. Many colony to pillage, so little time.
A whole game about garrus hunting criminals on omega, on the galactic scales its nothing, its still a 2 years time however. A huge open world omega, sure you know the ending, but if its done well, its done well.
Id take being a space pirate going around the mass effect universe during the ME story line and be counter productive if done well. You could hear stuff about the war, yet not being mentioned much else because it has no effect on your work until the very end of ME3. Many colony to pillage, so little time.
A whole game about garrus hunting criminals on omega, on the galactic scales its nothing, its still a 2 years time however. A huge open world omega, sure you know the ending, but if its done well, its done well.
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Posté 11 février 2014 - 11:18
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I don't think they need to cannonize destroy so much as explain away synthesis which can easily be done by stating that evolution undid the synthesis changes. Vigil on Ilos says that the keepers evolved beyond what the reapers expected making it possible for them to ignore the signal if you ask him about it. It's the last set of questions you ask before leaving and I think there is a specific dialogue labelled 'keepers' on the wheel. Then there's Mordin's explanation that eve was immune because the targeted organ was made obsolete through evolution like the appendix. Evolution was used as a way to change things previously and scientifically, evolution generally will take a path toward the best biological outcome. It's highly probably if not completely assured that should someone try to alter genetics in a way that would introduce synthetic elements, the body would react treating it as a virus and work around these things. I never saw the logic of synthesis because of that.
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Posté 12 février 2014 - 12:29
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Also... synthesis means continuing the "reapings"...
Since synthesis presumably only has any effect within range of the mass relays and on existing biological/mechanical life.
Which means "we" need to look through all the planets (anywhere from 50 billion to 400 billion of those), moon, asteroid and comet (millions of those for each planet), each dustflake and grain of ice (trillions of those per planet). And not to speak of the 100 billion galaxies each containing the above...
For any molecule that dares develop into organic life that might develop mechanical life which can threaten organic and/or mechanical and/or synthetical life.
Bah.... Humbug
Since synthesis presumably only has any effect within range of the mass relays and on existing biological/mechanical life.
Which means "we" need to look through all the planets (anywhere from 50 billion to 400 billion of those), moon, asteroid and comet (millions of those for each planet), each dustflake and grain of ice (trillions of those per planet). And not to speak of the 100 billion galaxies each containing the above...
For any molecule that dares develop into organic life that might develop mechanical life which can threaten organic and/or mechanical and/or synthetical life.
Bah.... Humbug
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78stonewobble wrote...
Also... synthesis means continuing the "reapings"...
Since synthesis presumably only has any effect within range of the mass relays and on existing biological/mechanical life.
Which means "we" need to look through all the planets (anywhere from 50 billion to 400 billion of those), moon, asteroid and comet (millions of those for each planet), each dustflake and grain of ice (trillions of those per planet). And not to speak of the 100 billion galaxies each containing the above...
For any molecule that dares develop into organic life that might develop mechanical life which can threaten organic and/or mechanical and/or synthetical life.
Bah.... Humbug
Hadn't even considered that point...
Just another reason to hate on synthesis.
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Posté 12 février 2014 - 04:43
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If they do go for a sequel, my bet is still on a Deus Ex: IW all-endings-sorta-happened-simultaneously canon.
*Clears throat for pseudo in-universe narration*
Jump a few centuries or thousand years into the future, galactic civilization is emerging from a dark age whose origins lie in the last moments of the now mythic Reaper War. Different people tell different stories, but all tell of Shepherd, the hero who saved us in our darkest hour and ended the Reaper threat. The activation of the Crucible destroyed the Reapers and nearly the entire Geth collective was destroyed with them save a few who had not yet received Reaper upgrades or managed to strip it from their code before the Crucible hit them. The Geth refused to cooperate with others in their new consensus (Save perhaps the Quarians) and withdrew from the Council races, but in the resource wars that followed the attempts to rebuild devastated worlds they were forced to reemerge when others began to plunder their worlds for resources.
As food and other critical resources dwindled, so did the spirit of cooperation. Soon Terminus factions saw the weakened Council races as an opportunity and even the Council had too few resources to go rushing off to one another's aid. In this time there were rumors of Reaper sightings, probably false, but some came to believe that at the Crucible Shepard somehow gained control of them or became one of them and now stalks the stars beyond sight, guarding the galaxy from afar. Some cults grew in veneration of "The Shepherd". They also consider the "Gifted" to be holy to the "Shepherd", individuals born with luminous green markings under their skin and the ability to mentally interface with computers. One in a million, the first was born only months after the Crucible blast.
There, all ending at once in a nutshell.
*Clears throat for pseudo in-universe narration*
Jump a few centuries or thousand years into the future, galactic civilization is emerging from a dark age whose origins lie in the last moments of the now mythic Reaper War. Different people tell different stories, but all tell of Shepherd, the hero who saved us in our darkest hour and ended the Reaper threat. The activation of the Crucible destroyed the Reapers and nearly the entire Geth collective was destroyed with them save a few who had not yet received Reaper upgrades or managed to strip it from their code before the Crucible hit them. The Geth refused to cooperate with others in their new consensus (Save perhaps the Quarians) and withdrew from the Council races, but in the resource wars that followed the attempts to rebuild devastated worlds they were forced to reemerge when others began to plunder their worlds for resources.
As food and other critical resources dwindled, so did the spirit of cooperation. Soon Terminus factions saw the weakened Council races as an opportunity and even the Council had too few resources to go rushing off to one another's aid. In this time there were rumors of Reaper sightings, probably false, but some came to believe that at the Crucible Shepard somehow gained control of them or became one of them and now stalks the stars beyond sight, guarding the galaxy from afar. Some cults grew in veneration of "The Shepherd". They also consider the "Gifted" to be holy to the "Shepherd", individuals born with luminous green markings under their skin and the ability to mentally interface with computers. One in a million, the first was born only months after the Crucible blast.
There, all ending at once in a nutshell.
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Posté 12 février 2014 - 04:46
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Lord Aesir wrote...
If they do go for a sequel, my bet is still on a Deus Ex: IW all-endings-sorta-happened-simultaneously canon.
I don't know. Once was enough. Hell, twice, if you want to count the Elder Scrolls Warp in the West (we're still feeling the effects of this one).
Big choices need to stop being put into these games, unless you really [really, really] plan on ending the story right then and there. There's no way to follow through right.
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Posté 12 février 2014 - 04:50
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Well, in Bioware's defense, they really did intend to end it there. Atleast in this case it isn't that far fetched that the Crucible might act unpredictably no matter what your choice.StreetMagic wrote...
Lord Aesir wrote...
If they do go for a sequel, my bet is still on a Deus Ex: IW all-endings-sorta-happened-simultaneously canon.
I don't know. Once was enough. Hell, twice, if you want to count the Elder Scrolls Warp in the West (we're still feeling the effects of this one).
Big choices need to stop being put into these games, unless you really [really, really] plan on ending the story right then and there. There's no way to follow through right.
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Posté 12 février 2014 - 10:47
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I hate destroy. Control is better, and it's basically the only ending that reminds me of a Baldur's Gate 2: ToB ending. I would have been fine if they just made the good endings exact copies of them even if they included the starchild.
Like, reject what is basically godhood as a reaper and live as a victorious mortal, with the reapers destroyed, or accept it, and have the outcome of that be decided by your paragon/renegade score. For example, renegade could have the reapers establish an iron fist kinda control over the galaxy, neutral could be just leaving the galaxy to it's machinations entirely, only helping to rebuild before leaving to beyond darkspace, and paragon could be to become a protector, guardian, and guiding force for the galaxy. Also, having military strength actually decide whether or not those endings exist, so if the forces of the galaxy get wiped out in the battle, meaning you can't win, you get a bad ending, where the cycle continues, or maybe it ends if you support that time capsule thing for Liara.
Also, and ending where you can choose not to go through with that and win or lose based on how high your military score is.
I mean, I know it's too late now, but if they ever decided to retcon it or have an AU where your character at the start of the game decides what happens, or even have a portion of the game where you play as retconned/AU shepard and choose those endings before starting the actual game would be good. I mean, even something like how you choose between Udina and Anderson as ambassador at the start of ME2 would be a good idea in my opinion.
Like, reject what is basically godhood as a reaper and live as a victorious mortal, with the reapers destroyed, or accept it, and have the outcome of that be decided by your paragon/renegade score. For example, renegade could have the reapers establish an iron fist kinda control over the galaxy, neutral could be just leaving the galaxy to it's machinations entirely, only helping to rebuild before leaving to beyond darkspace, and paragon could be to become a protector, guardian, and guiding force for the galaxy. Also, having military strength actually decide whether or not those endings exist, so if the forces of the galaxy get wiped out in the battle, meaning you can't win, you get a bad ending, where the cycle continues, or maybe it ends if you support that time capsule thing for Liara.
Also, and ending where you can choose not to go through with that and win or lose based on how high your military score is.
I mean, I know it's too late now, but if they ever decided to retcon it or have an AU where your character at the start of the game decides what happens, or even have a portion of the game where you play as retconned/AU shepard and choose those endings before starting the actual game would be good. I mean, even something like how you choose between Udina and Anderson as ambassador at the start of ME2 would be a good idea in my opinion.
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Posté 12 février 2014 - 05:51
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Works for me, I picked destroy so no biggie. Even if control or synthesis would be cannon, in my mind Shepard picked destroy but eventually something happened that changed what he acomplished, again no biggie I'm perfectly fine.
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Posté 13 février 2014 - 04:01
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I think Control makes the most sense for any sequel material. Shepard is completely out of the way, we don't have the silly "Evolutionary apex" Green Space Magic ending (Evolution HAS NO GOAL. The end of a species evolution is extinction. ARGH), and we can maybe explore the evolution of the Geth and their relationship with organics.
Furthermore, the Citadel is not destroyed, leaving it still the nexus of galactic civilization. Sorry, but the huge chunk missing out of the Presidium, the STRUCTURAL CORE of the Citadel, does not make for a structurally sound Citadel, and rebuilding it before Earth's gravity field pulls it down from its stationary position over London (and screws Earth over with a probable extinction event) is as fantastical as Green Space Magic.
To deal with GodShepard, maybe they're very hands-off, only intervening when things are going seriously off the rails.
Control is the most viable option for sequel material. It's through similar reasoning that the Cerberus Daily News RPG site went with Control as their "canon" ending to continue RPing after ME3 events. Every race gets a chance to live, Citadel isn't nuked, Shepard!Reapers are around to repair the relay network far quicker than the Cycle That Won would, establishing lifelines to the all-but-two homeworlds of spacefaring races for this cycle that got savaged by the Reapers, and we don't have the silliness of Green Space Magic.
Furthermore, the Citadel is not destroyed, leaving it still the nexus of galactic civilization. Sorry, but the huge chunk missing out of the Presidium, the STRUCTURAL CORE of the Citadel, does not make for a structurally sound Citadel, and rebuilding it before Earth's gravity field pulls it down from its stationary position over London (and screws Earth over with a probable extinction event) is as fantastical as Green Space Magic.
To deal with GodShepard, maybe they're very hands-off, only intervening when things are going seriously off the rails.
Control is the most viable option for sequel material. It's through similar reasoning that the Cerberus Daily News RPG site went with Control as their "canon" ending to continue RPing after ME3 events. Every race gets a chance to live, Citadel isn't nuked, Shepard!Reapers are around to repair the relay network far quicker than the Cycle That Won would, establishing lifelines to the all-but-two homeworlds of spacefaring races for this cycle that got savaged by the Reapers, and we don't have the silliness of Green Space Magic.
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