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[CrutchCricket]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...
For all they know the Crucible could have been a giant margarita maker, capable of creating unquantifiable volumes of delicious alcoholic beverage.

Would dismiss all my criticisms of ME3 and possibly even the ending if this was the case.

Love me my margaritas.



On-topic:  The complacency of the council is obvious. Look no further then the ****-all they've done for the entire trilogy. No reason to assume they were different in the past. The asari are probably the most to blame though the turians seem to share the flaw of looking far at the cost of being blinded to the short, as well as a probable overemphasis on tradition. As for the salarians, they seem to be in the habit of repeating mistakes (uplifting).

We can only hope that some sense has been beaten into them post-war or at least the other races will take charge to compensate. Though who's to say that centuries of stability (if ever achieved) won't have a similar effect on us?

[Obadiah]

SwobyJ wrote...

Asari - "Ahh, what a wonderful society we have preserv... Oh s**t! Someone help!"

Though Liara + her dad are supposed to be a sign of an Asari that may end up more reflective and face their weaknesses.

Is there any country on Earth that behaves in a manner similar to the Asari culture (influencers, spies, negotiators, etc...), and is considered powerful? The Asari did have the Destiny Ascension. Maybe that was part of their plan to present a fascade of overwhelming power?

[AlanC9]

As mentioned upthread, it's not too far from Britain in some periods. While the Royal Navy was strong enough to prevent invasion, Britain didn't have a big army compared to Continental powers. They couldn't do much about Napoleon on their own, for instance.

Modifié par AlanC9, 30 janvier 2014 - 05:50 .

[Artifex_Imperius]

Obadiah wrote...

Is there any country on Earth that behaves in a manner similar to the Asari culture (influencers, spies, negotiators, etc...), and is considered powerful? The Asari did have the Destiny Ascension. Maybe that was part of their plan to present a fascade of overwhelming power?

"influence, spies and negotiators and considered powerful" alot of nations. china, america & soviet union. having a considerable number of dreadnoughts. having vast resource and industry there is no fascade only a sleeping giant. if it was all a fascade no race would respect that even turians & humans see that.

having other races fight for you is a grand master of strategy at play. winning wars with minimal casualties on your side is brilliance.

asari cunning at play even at the start of the game. seeing as how the asari did not join the war summit as not to be caught in between the conflicts between salarian/turian vs the krogan. and not to be seen chosing sides.

Modifié par Artifex_Imperius, 30 janvier 2014 - 06:18 .

[TheMyron]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The asari actually won battles against the krogan, and it's safe to assume that they were vital in holding the line in the Krogan Rebellions, at least, until the turians arrived (especially because they have a larger military than the salarians).

To use the WWII example...would the Allies have won WWII without the Soviets and America? Probably not. Does that mean Britain didn't win the war? No historian would agree with you. The winning of WWII is not credited to one nation, even though everyone acknowledged that the SU made the greatest sacrifices.

True, but not fair.

Russia suffered the most due to outdated tactics (charging hordes into machine gun fire / shooting those who retreated), plus, unlike with the British and Americans, the Germans showed little to no mercy with the Russians they captured.

WW2 from space 6/6 have a look at this clip and tell me which race was more American and Russian?

When the state owns your body, you are more expendable, another major contributing factor as to why Russian citizens suffered more. 

As to your question, what is your answer? 

[Artifex_Imperius]

TheMyron wrote...

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

TheMyron wrote...

Barquiel wrote...

The asari actually won battles against the krogan, and it's safe to assume that they were vital in holding the line in the Krogan Rebellions, at least, until the turians arrived (especially because they have a larger military than the salarians).

To use the WWII example...would the Allies have won WWII without the Soviets and America? Probably not. Does that mean Britain didn't win the war? No historian would agree with you. The winning of WWII is not credited to one nation, even though everyone acknowledged that the SU made the greatest sacrifices.

True, but not fair.

Russia suffered the most due to outdated tactics (charging hordes into machine gun fire / shooting those who retreated), plus, unlike with the British and Americans, the Germans showed little to no mercy with the Russians they captured.

WW2 from space 6/6 have a look at this clip and tell me which race was more American and Russian?

When the state owns your body, you are more expendable, another major contributing factor as to why Russian citizens suffered more. 

As to your question, what is your answer? 

asari where more american in the wars that envelop the galaxy. they played they're cards right. In the end the turians, salarian and krogan bore the brunt of those conflicts. why include the salarians? they get to be scape goat for the immoral use of the genophage, including the turians.

[SwobyJ]

Obadiah wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

Asari - "Ahh, what a wonderful society we have preserv... Oh s**t! Someone help!"

Though Liara + her dad are supposed to be a sign of an Asari that may end up more reflective and face their weaknesses.

Is there any country on Earth that behaves in a manner similar to the Asari culture (influencers, spies, negotiators, etc...), and is considered powerful? The Asari did have the Destiny Ascension. Maybe that was part of their plan to present a fascade of overwhelming power?

All of the Mass Effect species societies are just exaggerated fun sci-fi versions of real world nations or types of nations/modes of behaviour.

Most of our major nations do what the Asari do, as at least part of their actions, to some extent. Just more.. erm, down to Earth

[ImaginaryMatter]

I don't think there is a country quite like the Asari, as most cultures here on Earth (I think) developed as patriarchies, while the Asari developed with a whole lot of women in charge... which is probably why they are more advanced than everyone else.

[SwobyJ]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

I don't think there is a country quite like the Asari, as most cultures here on Earth (I think) developed as patriarchies, while the Asari developed with a whole lot of women in charge... which is probably why they are more advanced than everyone else.

They're advanced because Prothians and Prothian beacons.

Bubble burst

Poor Liarapoo.

[ImaginaryMatter]

SwobyJ wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

I don't think there is a country quite like the Asari, as most cultures here on Earth (I think) developed as patriarchies, while the Asari developed with a whole lot of women in charge... which is probably why they are more advanced than everyone else.

They're advanced because Prothians and Prothian beacons.

Bubble burst

Poor Liarapoo.

Maybe because they're all women the Protheans landed there, hehehe.

But in all seriousness that was my little theory for why the Asari were the most advanced race, at least before ME3.

[Derpy]

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

This has turned into history class.

I never ever thought I would learn something useful here on the BSN.

I don't understand how they can relate WWII to a bunch of blue space strippers.

[Obadiah]

Artifex_Imperius wrote...

Obadiah wrote...

Is there any country on Earth that behaves in a manner similar to the Asari culture (influencers, spies, negotiators, etc...), and is considered powerful? The Asari did have the Destiny Ascension. Maybe that was part of their plan to present a fascade of overwhelming power?

"influence, spies and negotiators and considered powerful" alot of nations. china, america & soviet union. having a considerable number of dreadnoughts. having vast resource and industry there is no fascade only a sleeping giant. if it was all a fascade no race would respect that even turians & humans see that.

having other races fight for you is a grand master of strategy at play. winning wars with minimal casualties on your side is brilliance.

asari cunning at play even at the start of the game. seeing as how the asari did not join the war summit as not to be caught in between the conflicts between salarian/turian vs the krogan. and not to be seen chosing sides.

The fascade of overwhelming power by the Asari would be there to prevent wars. It's part of Sun Tzu's strategy to avoid war, because fighting and winning wars that can be avoided is a waste of resources. The whole point of people seeing a sleeping tiger is that they don't want to wake the tiger.

Fighting with ally's troops is a strategy that Machiavelli's The Prince counsels against, because if they win the prince (the Asari in this case) is under their favor, and if they lose the prince is ruined. Also, they are beholden to someone else, and can turn on the prince in the aftermath (see Korgan Rebellion).

What I've mentioned are just strategies, though, obviously prone to being disproven in real world situations. Countries all use "influence, spies and negotiators" - what I meant to ask is, are there countries that use it WITHOUT also having military power, and are considered powerful.

SwobyJ wrote...
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All of the Mass Effect species societies are just exaggerated fun sci-fi versions of real world nations or types of nations/modes of behaviour.

Most of our major nations do what the Asari do, as at least part of their actions, to some extent. Just more.. erm, down to Earth

Yeah, "this alien race is super collective", "this alien race is all about discipline", "this alien race is all business", etc...

Modifié par Obadiah, 01 février 2014 - 04:12 .

[SwobyJ]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

This has turned into history class.

I never ever thought I would learn something useful here on the BSN.

I don't understand how they can relate WWII to a bunch of blue space strippers.

The writers relate WWII to everything in this trilogy, even if very tangentially at times.

Because this is a conflict story that turns into a war finale.

And WWII was the largest war in our memory.

They didn't just take the name "Normandy" because it sounded cool and only that.

@Obediah - Yeah. The makers really do that imo. But then after that, there is a chance to elaborate details, and later on in the games, add texture and more intriguing elements. For example, I'm sure most of the stuff involving Salarians in ME3, were not planned in ME1-development, but same as a pretty natural development from "This species is the smart one."

Modifié par SwobyJ, 30 janvier 2014 - 03:42 .

[Derpy]

CrutchCricket wrote...

ImaginaryMatter wrote...
For all they know the Crucible could have been a giant margarita maker, capable of creating unquantifiable volumes of delicious alcoholic beverage.

Would dismiss all my criticisms of ME3 and possibly even the ending if this was the case.

Love me my margaritas.

Would you care to share some?

[CrutchCricket]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Would you care to share some?

Certainly, if the Crucible dispenses them. Margaritas for all!

[TheMyron]

SwobyJ wrote...

They didn't just take the name "Normandy" because it sounded cool and only that.

When the SR-2 was gifted to me, I would have named it "Bismarck". My ship known as the Normandy has been destroyed, period.

[SwobyJ]

TheMyron wrote...

SwobyJ wrote...

They didn't just take the name "Normandy" because it sounded cool and only that.

When the SR-2 was gifted to me, I would have named it "Bismarck". My ship known as the Normandy has been destroyed, period.

Would have been interesting if they gave the choice...

[von uber]

Actually the Asari as the US is quite apt as they did turn up halfway through the war whilst providing covert assistance beforehand.