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[Bail_Darilar]

Ok this is purely a speculative thread. So we know that the races can have hybrids right? As we saw that Feynriel was a human-elf hyrbid. I wonder why you don't ever see or hear much of dwarf hybrids in Thedas?

It would be interesting if they would appear. I mean what place do they hold in human society? There's clearly deep prejudices against other races in many parts of Thedas where alot of elves are second-class citizens and dwarves seem to only be prosperous and merchants or mercenaries. I mean would they be able to seemlessly integrate in human society seeming to be just short humans?

What place woudl the hold in elf society? I can't imagine a dwarf-elf hybrid being out of place or treated bad in an alienage but I wonder if it's a different issue in the Dalish societies? I mean they seem accepting enough but as far as I'm aware there hasn't been any details givern about the relationship with the two societies.

I can't imagine them being an issue in Qunari society with their acceptance/place for all ethos, but in dwarven society they'll probably be second class citizens. I mean it's highly unlikely those from noble houses will be involved much with any other race outside of diplomacy and possibly trade. Any half dwarf is likely to have a casteless or topsider parent and therefore be seen as a second class citizen in dwarven cities with no true 'rights'.

Another thing, can they use magic? Are they cut-off from the fade. I mean they can't be right? Since the offspring of a dwarf warden and Morrigan will be a half-dwarf and it's unlikely she would want a child who cannot use magic and utilise the old gods power.

[nightcobra]

https://twitter.com/...005385923719168

i just love that answer XD

[Bail_Darilar]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...005385923719168

i just love that answer XD

Haha make it so Mr. Gaider!!

[ames4u]

Isn't Sandal a halfer? I can almost swear blind that his mother was either an elf or human....or maybe someone was blowing smoke up my tail pipe. Now that I think about it I better go see where I actually found that tidbit of info to double check.

Found it; http://social.biowar...index/8120102/1

Modifié par ames4u, 28 janvier 2014 - 07:20 .

[Secretlyapotato]

I guess because they figured half-dwarves would need a new model. The elf hybrid is easy because they just come out like the non-elf.

But then the OGB could show up and could be a half-dwarf so Idk.

[Sylvius the Mad]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...005385923719168

i just love that answer XD

David's twitter feed is always entertaining.  I often read it recreationally.

[Spectre slayer]

This fairly complicated and depends on many things like the race of both parent's and something about the blood of Elves being weak or something along those lines, anyway here's what Gaider said.

Without getting into the "why" behind the elves-and-humans-produce-humans thing (which I've talked about before), I will talk about why we didn't deal with it in the game. Primarily it's because we didn't have room.

There's a lot of things that exist in the Thedas world that we weren't able to get into in Origins -- part of it is due to limited resources, but part of it is also because to properly address it we'd need to do it justice. We were already introducing the races and their situations, and adding on the complexity of explaining something that does need explanation would... get us what, exactly? You can't play one of the "elf-blooded" (this is what humans with mixed parentage are generally referred to, though I imagine "half-elf" could also be used in a slanderous fashion), and trying to explain the presence of a small number of humans in the alienage (as a for-instance) would have diluted the story we were already going for. Trying to fit everything that exists into the world in one story, after all, isn't really feasible.

I'd like to get into it. I think it's a possibility that has the potential for good drama, and even allowing the player to be elf-blooded might be cool in the future. But like I said, I'd want to do it justice. If your view on it is that you wanted half-elves to be there, and their omission is a fault -- then so be it. I can't really argue with that except to say that we don't think they're required. As some people have mentioned, it's not a widespread thing.

Many elves resist having human children for cultural reasons, and many elf-blooded children will live amongst humans as full humans simply because they can get away with it and hiding their heritage means not having to suffer for it -- from humans as well as elves. Some few might be public about their identity, and unwilling to leave their parents behind, but like I said that belongs in another story.

Incidentally, for half-dwarves the situation is a bit different. Dwarves aren't a very fertile race to begin with, and far less so when it comes to mating with humans and elves. In fact, it would be considered rare... rare enough that it's considered more of an oddity than a group of its own.

The result is also less stigmatized... primarily because it's also less noticeable. You end up with what would appear to be a tall dwarf or a short human. That calls for a new model -- which we weren't going to get, even if we wanted to address such a rare case. Again, it's certainly something we could do in the future, though such a character would still be considered unusual.

I imagine for those who really like their half-elves that's not a very satisfactory answer, but I hope it offers some light on the why's and wherefore's.

Err... I *did* mention that a mating between a surface dwarf and a human was the more likely scenario, did I not? The fact that dwarves on the surface are more common means that there's a better chance of them finding each other rather than needing to resort to a human or an elf -- something that is only rarely going to result in a child even when it happens.

As for your previous post, thank you. Those are good suggestions, many of which we've already considered.

One thing to consider is that humans and elves don't often go to Orzammar. The dwarven city is very restrictive on who it allows to enter. So finding a half-dwarf in Orzammar would be exceptional almost beyond belief -- and when I said that a half-dwarf is less noticeable, that's only on the surface. Mainly half-dwarves would be the result of a union between a surface dwarf and a human. In Orzammar a half-dwarf would indeed stand out in a crowd (literally). I imagine that it would be sufficient cause for the half-dwarf, or even their entire family, to go to the surface rather than suffer the stigma.

Dwarves mating with elves, meanwhile, result in dwarves -- just the same as with humans. That's kind of an odd picture, especially if the mother is elven, but I imagine such a union takes place even less than it does with humans

The only humans that would live in the Alienage are elf-blooded humans -- so it seems likely he is, even if he didn't make a point of saying so.

 

The child of elf-blooded humans and an elf is another elf-blooded human. Whether or not such a line would eventually become more "elven" is unknown -- the elf-blooded don't tend to distinguish themselves as a group for cultural reasons, and more often then not find themselves living amongst humans rather than elves. Saying that elves have recessive genes obviously isn't the answer -- I said a long time ago on the forums that elven genetics were "adaptive", but that's just an attempt to explain the phenomenon since people were insisting on talking about genetics.

The elves don't know why it happens, and there's no understanding of genetics in the world to explain it... if that would even be the reason. More likely it has a supernatural origin relating to the nature of the elves themselves, though what that might be and whether or not the elves were truly once the immortals they claim simply isn't known.

social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/9/index/575146/

It's all from that link.

Sandal is a half breed of an dwarf and elf which makes dwarfs, it's possible he could be part human but that would probably  make him a little taller than the other dwarfs.

Slim Couldry, Feynerial and possibly Alistair are elf blooded.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 28 janvier 2014 - 08:00 .

[Rotward]

I always figured there'd be no baby. The dwarves seem a different breed than all other species. They're resistant to magic and lyrium, they don't go to the fade in dreams or in death, and they can't be mages. Seems like, if there is a maker, he didn't make them.

[OctagonalSquare]

I really don't understand why human-elf hybrids are considered fully human. Feynriel is the only elf-blooded human we've seen, but he looked different from a normal human to me.

[Spectre slayer]

OctagonalSquare wrote...

I really don't understand why human-elf hybrids are considered fully human. Feynriel is the only elf-blooded human we've seen, but he looked different from a normal human to me.

It's in one of those posts by Gaider or at least some of the answer, actually no we've seen a at least one or more elf blooded person. Remember Slim Couldry the crime wave quest guy, he's actually elf blooded who lives in the Alienage, and Alistair might be aswell if Fiona is his mother.