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[Grieving Natashina]

I'll start off by saying I'm a pretty big Shale fangirl.  She was my favorite character in Origins and until I met Varric in DA2, my favorite companion in the entire series.  I know in the books she was travelling with Wynne, but did not get the chance to turn back to flesh. 

After learning that Cadash is one of the potential last names for a dwarven Inquisitor, I suspect my favorite pigeon-killer may be returning.  I thought Cadash was a "dead" line, and there wasn't any surviving members.  It looks like I was quite wrong.

So, do you think we'll see Shale again?  As either Shale the Golem or Shayle the dwarf of the House Cadash?  Or do you think she'll remain relegated to books and comics?  

I hope it isn't the latter.  I miss Shale.  

Modifié par Starsyn, 28 janvier 2014 - 11:26 .

[DashRashh]

I hope so it will be awesome to see him in inquisition

[Grieving Natashina]

DashRashh wrote...

I hope so it will be awesome to see him in inquisition

Her.  

She was the first dwarven women to volunteer for the golem transformation.  That's part of the reason why I love her so much.   She's one BAMF.

Modifié par Starsyn, 28 janvier 2014 - 11:23 .

[DashRashh]

Starsyn wrote...

DashRashh wrote...

I hope so it will be awesome to see him in inquisition

Her.  

She was the first dwarven women to volunteer for the golem transformation.  That's part of the reason why I love her so much.   She's one BAMF.

Yeah but she is not a woman any more so it's him 

[Grieving Natashina]

...Lack of equipment doesn't change who she is. She's not automatically male just because she's a golem. The term "it" would apply, but I don't want to call her that. Plus, she seems more surprised that she was a dwarf than she was as a woman.

To quote Serendipity from Dogma: "You should know better than anyone that t**s. don't make a woman."

Her gender is honestly why I love her so much. I read about the golem transformation (as well as getting the info in game) and it's pretty hardcore. I know you agree that you want to see her again. The question is: Do you think we will?

[Maiden Crowe]

DashRashh wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

DashRashh wrote...

I hope so it will be awesome to see him in inquisition

Her.  

She was the first dwarven women to volunteer for the golem transformation.  That's part of the reason why I love her so much.   She's one BAMF.

Yeah but she is not a woman any more so it's him 

Well in truth you are both right, you see before the Golemization Shale was indeed a woman however apon shedding her mortal body and transfering her conciousness to a body of stone her gender was forgotten and she merely became 'it'.

Now that being said while Shale has told of it's desire to once again re-claim her mortal form such things are easier said than done as stone cannot simply be turned to flesh and her original body has long since been fed to the maggots, a new vessel must be found and while it may be true that a dwarven spirit may only take refuge in a dwarven body the gender and appearance of that vessel will be of your choosing.

Modifié par Maiden Crowe, 29 janvier 2014 - 12:04 .

[Grieving Natashina]

As I asked earlier, do you think we'll see her again? Or do you think we'll be lucky to even get a Codex for my favorite pigeon destroyer?

[Hrungr]

DG touched on Shale in his Tumblr blog recently...

"... Maybe I’d change my mind in the future, if the team ever explored another story with Shale, but I’d say that part of her identity is more something she wants to explore as opposed to something she currently feels."

So by the sound of it, it doesn't seem likely we'll be seeing Shale... at least not in DAI.

Modifié par Hrungr, 29 janvier 2014 - 12:37 .

[CybAnt1]

I hope so.

In fact, I'd like Shale back, with a full range of ability trees like we had in DA2, and are likely to have in DA:I, rather than her somewhat more constrained ability box in DA:O.

Nothing like tossing a big ass boulder at people, especially if the physics engine is ready to show you the destructive effects and knock back.

Of course, fickle as I am, I'd take a new golem companion, too. BTW, "Construct" was one of my favorite companions in NWN, too. 

Modifié par CybAnt1, 29 janvier 2014 - 12:38 .

[Grieving Natashina]

Another reason why I love Shale: She reminds me of my terrier mix in one regard. My terrier hates birds, especially crows and pigeons. So when I hear "Death to All Pigeons!" in Shale's gravely tone, I think of my pup.

Yeah, I'm a dork. My husband tells me so all the time, with all the love in the world.

Edit: I liked Construct as well, and it was fun to upgrade.  I hated the bard that made it though.  I remember his stupid songs about herbs and such more than his name.  I had to look it up--Grobnar.  If I never see a companion like hikm again, it'll be none too soon.

So, it looks like I'm denied Shale in a game for now.  Darn.   I'm not too surprised.

 Do you think we'll get a mention of her beyond some NPC mentioning that the pigeon population in Ferelden has dropped?

Modifié par Starsyn, 29 janvier 2014 - 12:43 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

No more returning characters this isn't soap opera

[Hrungr]

Starsyn wrote...
So, it looks like I'm denied Shale in a game for now.  Darn.   I'm not too surprised.

 Do you think we'll get a mention of her beyond some NPC mentioning that the pigeon population in Ferelden has dropped?

Yeah, it's a shame - I'm a huge Shale fan as well. 

I guess technically we could still get a cameo appearance or have her show up in some later DLC...

Modifié par Hrungr, 29 janvier 2014 - 12:56 .

[Grieving Natashina]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

No more returning characters this isn't soap opera

Many folks around here are acting like we're getting a ton of old characters, when really I've seen only a few.  Flemeth, Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric, and probably Sandal/Bodain.  Oh and Cullen might be an ascended NPC.  Leliana is speculated to be in Inquisition, but I haven't see her yet.

I'm not seeing the issue here.

Returning characters are not bad, provided they aren't supposed to be dead by the Warden's hand or Hawke's (Leliana, Zevran, Anders.) I think it would be more unrealistic if no one mentions those previous characters than to include them.   I'm not a fan of including Leliana/Zevran/Anders, but to pretend they don't exist is very silly.

I'm not asking her for a companion, I'm just wanting to see how she's been since Wynne died.  We'll have plenty of new characters I'm sure.  We only know about 3 of the possible companions, maybe 4 if Cullen is one.  Out of those 3, only one of them was a companion in the previous game.  Unless you read the books, Cassandra is still pretty unknown. That's still 5-6 new characters we aren't privy to.  

Modifié par Starsyn, 29 janvier 2014 - 12:56 .

[Swaggerjking]

i hope so but it will be a cameo at the most since the last time we heard Shale who is in my opinion now sexless/asexual or whatever was with the mages in northern Orlais in the end of asunder

[Grieving Natashina]

I'd be happy with a cameo. It would be plausible, since we are going to Orlais at some point. However, as it was stated by Hrungr, I shouldn't hold my breath unless we get a DLC or something like that.

Modifié par Starsyn, 29 janvier 2014 - 12:58 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Starsyn wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

No more returning characters this isn't soap opera

Many folks around here are acting like we're getting a ton of old characters, when really I've seen only a few.  Flemeth, Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric, and probably Sandal/Bodain.  Oh and Cullen might be an ascended NPC.  Leliana is speculated to be in Inquisition, but I haven't see her yet.

I'm not seeing the issue here.

Returning characters are not bad, provided they aren't supposed to be dead by the Warden's hand or Hawke's (Leliana, Zevran, Anders.) I think it would be more unrealistic if no one mentions those previous characters than to include them.   I'm not a fan of including Leliana/Zevran/Anders, but to pretend they don't exist is very silly.

I'm not asking her for a companion, I'm just wanting to see how she's been since Wynne died.  We'll have plenty of new characters I'm sure.  We only know about 3 of the possible companions, maybe 4 if Cullen is one.  Out of those 3, only one of them was a companion in the previous game.  Unless you read the books, Cassandra is still pretty unknown. That's still 5-6 new characters we aren't privy to.  

Yep returning characters are bad like drugs if overused and that what da 2 did it was perfect in daa in da 2 they just were spaming with them.Thedas isn't village that have 100 peoples so we can rush into that same peoples every day.Leliana , morrigan ,flemeth , varric , cullen and leliana was practically confirmed when they told us about redhead orlesian that we know will come back and they said they were bulding her to be divine servan so she will come back and bohdan and sandal. 2-3 cameos aren't bad 50 yes.Overusing old characters make only world more unbelievable and cheap.It is already enforced with varric o hey i know you beat crap out of me and i know you maybe 1 h but i want travel with you just because cassandra... 

Ps cassandra never was in books as far i renember she was only in movie and game and pretty much i can say that in both she was serving as dumb brute with anger issues.Cullen was nothing more than fanservive and is probably.When you count all characters that you saw and their connection between them it is ridiculous.I mean why hawke meet 2 characters from leliana song sorry 3 characters because we have leliana herself cheap bio cheap.I would write about connections that characters have beetwen but it would take so much time that i don't want even bother... 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 janvier 2014 - 01:15 .

[Swaggerjking]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

No more returning characters this isn't soap opera

Many folks around here are acting like we're getting a ton of old characters, when really I've seen only a few.  Flemeth, Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric, and probably Sandal/Bodain.  Oh and Cullen might be an ascended NPC.  Leliana is speculated to be in Inquisition, but I haven't see her yet.

I'm not seeing the issue here.

Returning characters are not bad, provided they aren't supposed to be dead by the Warden's hand or Hawke's (Leliana, Zevran, Anders.) I think it would be more unrealistic if no one mentions those previous characters than to include them.   I'm not a fan of including Leliana/Zevran/Anders, but to pretend they don't exist is very silly.

I'm not asking her for a companion, I'm just wanting to see how she's been since Wynne died.  We'll have plenty of new characters I'm sure.  We only know about 3 of the possible companions, maybe 4 if Cullen is one.  Out of those 3, only one of them was a companion in the previous game.  Unless you read the books, Cassandra is still pretty unknown. That's still 5-6 new characters we aren't privy to.  

Yep returning characters are bad like drugs if overused and that what da 2 did it was perfect in daa in da 2 they just were spaming with them.Thedas isn't village that have 100 peoples so we can rush into that same peoples every day.Leliana , morrigan ,flemeth , varric , cullen and leliana was practically confirmed when they told us about redhead orlesian that we know will come back and they said they were bulding her to be divine servan so she will come back and bohdan and sandal. 2-3 cameos aren't bad 50 yes.Overusing old characters make only world more unbelievable and cheap.It is already enforced with varric o hey i know you beat crap out of me and i know you maybe 1 h but i want travel with you just because cassandra... 

Ps cassandra never was in books as far i renember she was only in movie and game and pretty much i can say that in both she was serving as dumb brute with anger issues.Cullen was nothing more than fanservive and is probably.When you count all characters that you saw and their connection between them it is ridiculous.I mean why hawke meet 2 characters from leliana song sorry 3 characters because we have leliana herself cheap bio cheap.I would write about connections that characters have beetwen but it would take so much time that i don't want even bother... 

ok there 9 or ten people you mention with probaly another four or five probable  but in a game that is supposed huge there are going too be so many new people you meet and really if if thaey put a lot of charcters in this game but i don't really care and i trust bioware to do a good job with all the time they have been given and still has

[Grieving Natashina]

Your posts are pretty hard to read. Spacing would be good.

Again, I don't see this "overuse of the world" you keep referring to. I didn't feel bludgeoned with cameos at all in DA2. I saw Alistair for about 5 minutes, Zevran for about 10 (took me longer to kill the Crows than anything else) and Leliana for about 6 minutes total. Sorry, but I can't see where you are coming from.

Varric and her could have joined up because they found a common goal. By the end of DA2, I always got the sense of a friendly rivalry between them.

Cullen I never saw as fan service and I think his possible inclusion makes sense. By the way, we can't say if it's really Cullen or just a Templar that looks like him. If it is him, he'd probably want to make things right after his inaction during the end of Act 3. Plus, he has a personal stake in things with the Red Templars running amok. I'm honestly not sure why he has the title of "fan service" at all. His progression from minor NPC to major NPC to a companion makes total sense. There is a good reason for him to be there.

And my bad about the books, but she is in the EU.

http://dragonage.wik...n_of_the_Seeker

The writers did mention a red-haired Orlesian bard. It's most likely Leliana, but she cannot be the only red haired bard in Orlais. If it is her...so? She has more plot relevance, but isn't going to be a companion.

I still don't see the tons of characters that are coming back. Counting down, I see the following:

Varric

Cassandra

(possibly) Cullen--remember, that is not confirmed yet!

(probably) Leliana

Morrigan

Flemeth--Gaider's blog talking about working with Kate, and that "she's one classy lady."

Bodain and/or Sandal--not sure if old Bodain is going to still be alive.

I think seeing if one of the most interesting characters in Origins is still around shouldn't be an issue. We love ya Shale!

Edit: I need to ask: Why exactly is Cullen fan service?  I've read this on the DA tumblrs and here on the forums.  I just can't see it.  Is it because he's blonde and (somewhat) cute?

Edit #2: I take more issue with Varric being dark haired in the trailer than any characters returning.  You'd figure the artists would at least get his hair color right! 

Modifié par Starsyn, 29 janvier 2014 - 01:39 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lets see cameos and returning characters in da 2
1.Leliana (3 times)
2.Alistair (in every his fate 3x)
3.Teagan (2 times with third depending on alistair fate)
4.Anders as companion
5.Merril as companion
6.Sketch
7.Bonny lem
8.Sandal
9.Bohdan
10.Flemeth
11.Zevran
12.Sophia
13.One of werewolves (if cured)
14.Isolde
15.Nathaniel 
16.Justice
17.Isabela as companion
18.Cullen
19.Nathaniel sister
20.dalish elf clan with 6 or more peoples that we know from that origin
and more that i can renember now and i did it from my memory...
Now put together connections beetwen that characters...

And now we have asunder
wynne
shale
leliana
fiona

To much coincidence to be credible...

bio spams with that same characters

^ we already have at least few returning characters and as i said few is good number to stop spam with old characters before it will be ridiculous soap opera where
Zevran Im your real father cassandra
Cassandra No it can be
Leliana i have to confirm it im your mother cassandra
*isabela appears out of nowhere* and i slept with them both
Alistair appears to say swooping is bad "oo sorry i just have to say that"

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:06 .

[Rotward]

Starsyn wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

No more returning characters this isn't soap opera

Many folks around here are acting like we're getting a ton of old characters, when really I've seen only a few.  Flemeth, Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric, and probably Sandal/Bodain.  Oh and Cullen might be an ascended NPC.  Leliana is speculated to be in Inquisition, but I haven't see her yet.

We know little about the returning cast, but at least four of them are confirmed old characters. Most of the central figures from DA2 were present in DA:O as well. That's two reasons to think we'll be getting excessive repeated characters. 

Modifié par Rotward, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:03 .

[CybAnt1]

I had to look it up--Grobnar.  

The only NWN character that may have fewer fans than Grobnar is Deekin. 

It bothers me that both are bards, as I wished the NWN official campaigns had some good ones. 

Grobnar - he should have been a tinkerer or techomancer, if 3E had that option; as for Deekin, well, the less said, the better. 

Modifié par CybAnt1, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:03 .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I would love Shale to be back.

As for Bioware doing cameos, I personally like that they do that. For one thing, it makes the different games feel connected to each other instead of completely isolated. Second, for a lot of them it makes sense since in the main game they were in they were important people or became important people during either their travels with the protagonist or because of that protagonist's actions. Not saying I want there to be no new characters, but I like how they do the cameos.

[Spectre slayer]

Rotward wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
No more returning characters this isn't soap opera 

Many folks around here are acting like we're getting a ton of old characters, when really I've seen only a few.  Flemeth, Morrigan, Cassandra, Varric, and probably Sandal/Bodain.

Oh and Cullen might be an ascended NPC.  Leliana is speculated to be in Inquisition, but I haven't see her yet.

We know little about the returning cast, but at least four of them are confirmed old characters. Most of the central figures from DA2 were present in DA:O as well. That's two reasons to think we'll be getting excessive repeated characters. 

Actually we are in fact getting a lot of returning characters in DAI, and the devs have said as much, Cameron Lee stressed that DAI will have an significant returning cast, Laidlaw stated there's going to be vital people to the game who'll return and those that aren't will get cameos, Jonathan Perry stated that the characters that were in the exhalted march expansion pack that was cancelled are now in DAI as that is now apart of the game after being cut twice and rewritten three times according to Gaider, along with a bunch of other devs.

We just don't know who yet, what their roles will be, what involvement they have with the story, don't like it well there's not much you can do about it. I actually lost track of how many times i've posted this, at this point people should just accept it.

Not sure we'll see Shale in DAI, though Gaider would like to continue her story at some point.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:26 .

[Grieving Natashina]

[quote]TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Lets see cameos and returning characters in da 2
1.Leliana (3 times)[/quote] 

I saw her twice.  Once during Faith, once at the end.  If you don't have the DLC, you only see her at the end.

[quote]2.Alistair (in every his fate 3x)[/quote]

You can see him once per fate.  So that's once per DA2 session.

[quote]3.Teagan (2 times with third depending on alistair fate)[/quote]

You can only see him once per fate.  Where is that second time you speak of?

[quote]4.Anders as companion[/quote]

Fair, but if it wasn't Anders, it would have been Velanna.  The writers toyed around with the idea that Velanna merged with Justice, but decided to go with Anders for whatever reason.

[quote]5.Merril as companion [/quote]

Fair, but she was in the previous game for about what, 5-10 minutes? 

[quote]6.Sketch[/quote] 

For about 20 minutes on a bugged quest.  You barely speak to him and I highly doubt we'll see him again.

[quote]7.Bonny lem[/quote] 

Who?  I'm not trying to be snarky, I just have no idea who you are talking about.

[quote]8.Sandal
9.Bohdan[/quote] 

Not sure what the problem is.  They weren't just in DA2 "because," they were there to join the expedition.

[quote]10.Flemeth[/quote]

She's got some damned good reasons to be there.  The writers are keeping us in the dark.  This is yet another case that the brought in a previous character for a plot reason, not just because they could.

[quote]11.Zevran[/quote] 

Zevran was an accident if you killed him in Orgins.  The devs reassured that will not happen again.  Even so, you're going to be mad about a total of 10 minutes of screen time?  

[quote]12.Sophia[/quote] 

Who?  I only saw her guard in Orgins.  Oh, do you mean Dryden?  Yeah, that depends upon if you sided with her during the DLC in the previous game.  I've never seen her in DA2.

[quote]13.One of werewolves (if cured)[/quote]

We didn't see Swiftrunner.  One former werewolf as a nod is fine.  However, it's not like they brought back Swiftrunner (or worse) the Lady of the Forest.

[quote]14.Isolde[/quote]

Only if you have the MotA DLC.  If not, you never see her.  Even then, you don't have to talk to her at all during the party.

[quote]15.Nathaniel[/quote] 

If you made the right choice in Awakening.  Noticing a pattern here?

[quote]16.Justice[/quote] 

I'll agree to disagree here.  The glimpses of Justice from Anders in DA 2 and Justice from Awakening are not the same person.  That's just me though.


[quote]17.Isabela as companion[/quote]

Fair, but she was a big part of a plot.  They didn't throw her in willy-nilly; she had a huge story arc.

[quote]18.Cullen[/quote] 

As an NPC that you don't have to interact much with at all.  I think I saw him for about 30 minutes total of game time.  Maybe 40 if you count the ending.

[quote]19.Nathaniel siste[/quote]

Again, for about 30  seconds depending upon your choice from Awakening.  And that's if the quest doesn't bug out.

[quote]20.dalish elf clan with 6 or more peoples that we know from that origin
and more that i can renember now and i did it from my memory...[/quote]

Other than the Keeper, Pol and Merrill, can you honestly name any of the other Dalish from that clan?

[quote]And now we have asunder
wynne [/quote] 

Um, a lot of the book was about her son.  The son that she mentions in Origins that she wants to see again.  Is it so hard to picture a book that includes her search for him?  It's not like they threw her in for s****s and giggles.  Oh and they killed her off. 

[quote] shale[/quote]

Traveling with Wynne, as established at the end of Origins.  I'm not sure why she wouldn't be with Wynne.  

[quote]leliana[/quote]

She's working for the Divine and considering the events just after the Kirkwall event, it makes sense she would be involved.

[quote]fiona[/quote] 

She's a returning character?  From where?  

That story is a part of EU, not in game.  A lot of people don't get into the EU and my hope is to see Shale in game someday.

[quote]To much coincidence to be credible...

bio spams with that same characters [/quote]

Out of all those you listed, the majority of them were there briefly, depended upon choices from a previous game, or have signifcant contributions to the plot.   The previous game was rushed, which is probably why some of those appearances happened.  However, don't you think it's just a little too early to determine that we're going to be "overloaded" with returning characters?

I just want a cameo for Shale, or at least a codex.

Modifié par Starsyn, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:29 .

[Grieving Natashina]

Oh and define "overload" for me please. Saying "no returning characters" doesn't wash with me, since it's obvious we're getting some. Just what is too much?