[quote]TheKomandorShepard wrote...
[quote]1.Yes and your point is she is still there story-wise so she is returning character dlc or not she is still there...[/quote][/quote]
DLCs are optional. The stories I consider optional unless BioWare adds it to their cannon.
So yes, I consider MotA, Legacy, Leliana's Song, Darkspawn Chronicles optional content, that usually has little to no impact on the main story, to be disregarded for the sake of this disccusion. Witch Hunt does count for this, since I think the devs have confirmed that your actions towards Morrigan will make a difference later.
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i pointed that even in first conversation but you missed that again i said that you cam meet him 3 times deepending on his fare (what pretty much mean 1 for 1 pt) still it doesn't change that storywise in all his 3 fates he meets hawke and end in kirkwall...[/quote]
Okay, so the writers made sure to add continunity. I don't see the issue, especially since it's not like he's in the game three times at once. The only one I thought was pointless was "Drunk" Alistair. The Grey Warden cutscene happens even without him, and it makes sense that as the King of Ferelden he'd want to talk to Meredith. C'mon, you know that a decent chunk of Ferelden's citizens went there.
[quote]3.You can meet him twice don't ignore dlc because i don't know why you do they are still there in story... [/quote]
I don't consider the DLC the main story, unless it is confirmed to be cannon. Besides, Legacy has Leandra's ghost coming back so "Hawke can have some closure." I can't take that seriously, unless BW tells me that Corypheus mattered. Or that
anything in
any of the DLCs really made a difference on the story, except for Witch Hunt. Awakening I do not count as a DLC, since it is it's own expansion.
[quote]5.As i said she is another returning character i don't have problem with single returning character (because i don't mind) i have problem with whole.
6.Look above.[/quote]
Whole...what? That made no sense. Could you try that again?
[quote]7.Nope he is merchant as i said
here [/quote]
I didn't think you were lying. I just didn't remember him. I'm betting most players wouldn't right off the top of their head, unless they had
just played Leliana's Song. Also, I think a random merchant in the Undercity isn't quite a cameo. He's some dude in the Undercity. He has no lines, no quests, and probably was in Kirkwall for the same reason Hawke was. You do remember that many Fereldens fled north from the Blight. That's why Alistair (or Anora) was sending ships to get people back home. Is it really that hard to believe that he fled the Blight the same as a lot of others did?
[quote]8.Yep she is invincible villain (if you want aruge that she isn't villain put here anything that you want) pretty much she manipulates everyone successfully , have plans that you can't screwd , know everything about anyone even if it is simple companion , she have deus ex machinas to pull that save her life and ultimately you can't do nothig more than be manipulated by her oh you can also try kill her but she already know that (omniscient character) and don't care.[/quote]
Agree to disagree here. As far as Deus Ex Machinas, what about the fact that Corypheus appeared to jump bodies? She's not the only villain with stupid levels of plot armor going on. Don't worry, I like her but I agree with you on her role.)
[quote]9.Upset about what?
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Heh.
[quote]10.As i said major character or just cameo , 1 h or 10 h it doesn't matter if she is alive she still appears in kirkwall what a another weird coincidence...[/quote]
Yeah, weird that a demon would be drawn to Kirkwall. Weird that they could have followers get them out. Totally weird that they would use the time the Warden gave them to get out of Ferelden. /sarcasm
[quote]11. How that don't count he is another returning character pretty much that same i can tell about namellsone from gothic and that he is still protagonist of second game doesn't that mean he still returned even if he have no name?[/quote]
...Run on sentence...
He has no name. No background, no nothing. He's merely a link showing the werewolves being freed. He isn't a named NPC. He doesn't show up if you side with the werewolves. That's why it doesn't count. The second part of your comment makes no sense. What is Gothic? Do you mean American Gothic? Or is it some anime. I never played Gothic, so I don't get your meaning.
Besides, this isn't Gothic, this is Dragon Age.
[quote]12.Haha it doesn't matter she was just wrriten character you can name it Victoria and give same personality that isabela had just remove her backstory that she was isabela in frelden and bingo we have that same character that she was in da 2 without bringing isabela from dao and thus not making more returning characters what makes universe ridiculus if overused.[/quote]
I like the character and I agreed with her inclusion. Why don't we agree to disagree about Isabela, okay?
[quote]13.You may or not like it he is nothing more than fanserive as i said he would be easily replaced by any other templar he was there because fans watned that and probably will be in dai for that same reason because i can't see any other reason than fan service.[/quote]
You're all out of order. I take it you're talking about Cullen? If you think he's fan service, that's okay. That's
your opinon. You're not speaking for BioWare, nor all the fans. He was at Kirkwall, he's been around the Circles from day 1. Unlike some random Joe Templar, he watched as Meredith got turning into a statue made of pure red lyrium. He's now seeing his fellows get into the same thing that drove Meredith crazy. I'd say that's a great reason that has nothing to do with his fans.
[quote]14.
don't get it...
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Your post got confusing at that point. You numbers were off. As far as Justice goes, I already told you that I don't see him as the same guy. He doesn't even remotely have the same voice even in the Fade in DA2. That's just me though.
[quote]15.Rhys was protagonist of asunder and only there i don't have problem with him:blink: fiona were in calling and asunder two books.[/quote]
Not what I asked. Please, link where in the games they have been. Otherwise, you're complaining about returning characters in the EU.
[quote]16.As i said there is a little reason for wynne and as little to make rhys her son as i said wynne was unnecessary for that she is just old character that is brought back to new character... [/quote]
We'll disagree here.
[quote]Who said that i didn't liked book and how i would judge this book without reading that? Simple there are things that i enjoy in games and other da products some of them i liked others not as well there were some things that i didn't liked and that i liked. For example i didn't liked fade moment in dao does that mean i didn't like game no...
I will say that there is more thing i didn't liked in da 2 than and that was one of it.Now we are talking about thing that i don't like bringing to much old characters...[/quote]
You've constantly ripped in the book and not just in this thread. I have yet to hear you say one good thing about the book.
[quote]About fiona as i said it is another matter that makes two used characters that never meet each other bonded simple making that soap opera sure make luke darth vader son im fine but if you are making han darth sidious son and lando jar jar son it starts becoming ridiculus.[/quote]
Pretty subjective, and not the point. As I have stated repeatedly, is it in the game? No? Then why so upset?
[quote]Leliana never saved divine life... it was contrariwise and how do you know that someone never saved her life do you know every point of divine life? Just put character that saved or not divine life but divine trust that character gosh...[/quote]
There was an established reason why the current Divine and Leliana can work together. It's been in the games for years now. If they just pulled another character out of their butt to replace her, I'd call bullpuckey. I see no reason for Leliana to not be included. And don't give me that "well, you can kill her" crap. Considering where you're probably going to kill her....
[quote]Well i pointed that im talking as well about ausnder and universe that suffers from returning old characters.[/quote]
I don't see it hurting the games, I see them adding continuity. Wouldn't it be pretty silly if they never did another story of them ever again? At all? Even when there were obvious signs that some stories (Wynne, Shale) were not done?
It's very apparent that people wanted to see and read them. They didn't see the comics and books as hurting the series. You're one of the very few that I've seen that thinks that those characters is a bad thing.
[quote]What do you mean i had just look on awakening i said it was perfect wynne and alistair or anora showed and oghren as companion that all only problem i had that you could kill oghren and despite doing that he still shows up with stupid excuse.[/quote]
Those cameos...weren't a whole lot different than the ones in DA2. As a matter of fact, they were pretty much exactly the same, yet those were okay by you? I agree about Oghren, though mainly because I never really liked him.
[quote]About shale not rly he isn't important (well she is but i will say about that later) firts golem like golem we have plenty of them hell we have much better and stronger golems like steel golems or inferno golem she isn't only such golem we have one in da 2 (but well hidden).[/quote]
She or It please. I don't care about those powerful golems. They are just toys. They can't make me laugh or think. They can't go looking for the secrets of their past or meet a Paragon (none living atm, unless dwarf noble counts.)
[quote]But still it doesn't make her special in-universe that only make her intresting for fans/player/readers i can agree that she is an intresting character but that means nothing for dai if they want give her story sure give her own adventure just please make cameos 1-2 not make her adventure with varric , alistair and nathaniel...[/quote]
Did I ask for that? Did I ever ask for that at all?
NO. I asked to see her again. I asked for a cameo or a codex entry. Hyperbole, thy name is Kormandor
[quote]inquisitor have her name too bad da don't have to put together every missing brother sister or mother with each other in da universe...[/quote]
Wow, talk about an overraction! The first female volunteer to become a Golem is a big deal. Name a dwarf that has even half as much impact that isn't a Paragon.
By the way--all of the surnames in Inquisition have various important plot ties to Thedas' past.
All are mentioned in the lore histories are being important.
Can someone get ahold of that screenshot please?
[quote]Why do you think that i don't like shale i admit it she wasn't companion that i liked most but she wasn't companion that i disliked most either...[/quote]
Perhaps that was a misunderstanding on my part. If so, I apologize.
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you mean those 3 cameos in daa comparing to 30 from da 2 that was in another country and with another protagonist? 
