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[happy_daiz]

Steelcan wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

Yes, I know, it's a pipe dream, which is why I expressed it as an opinion. BW's marketing team will probably want to have a 'hook', and it will most likely be human male Inquisitor. So dreadfully boring and expected.

pfft I don't know about anyone else but I don't plan on playing as anything but a white male inqusitor for at leasta  few months after release

I'm sorry, YOU are dreadfully boring and expected.  Just teasing. I will not be playing human male Inquisitor at all.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:50 .

[Steelcan]

happy_daiz wrote...

I'm sorry, YOU are dreadfully boring and expected.  Just teasing. I will not be playing human male Inquisitor at all.

One day I'll do a Female Warden...... One day

[Zazzerka]

I'm going to make the whitest, pastiest, stubbliest Inquisitor I possibly can.

Like a Canadian woman's shins on the first day of Summer.

Modifié par Zazzerka, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:51 .

[happy_daiz]

Steelcan wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

I'm sorry, YOU are dreadfully boring and expected.  Just teasing. I will not be playing human male Inquisitor at all.

One day I'll do a Female Warden...... One day

I tried playing as a male Warden, more than once, and just couldn't do it. Actually, I've abandoned every male Hawke, Shepard, etc. character that I've ever created. It just doesn't feel right to play as male when I have the option to play as female. For me, anyway.

Back on topic, my suspicion is that the plan will be to feature HMI (human male Inquisitor), and any appeasement trailers and media featuring a female pc will feel forced, and utterly empty, just like the femShep ones.

Modifié par happy_daiz, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:55 .

[hotdogbsg]

happy_daiz wrote...

Yes, I know, it's a pipe dream, which is why I expressed it as an opinion. BW's marketing team will probably want to have a 'hook', and it will most likely be human male Inquisitor. So dreadfully boring and expected.

Expected? Yes. Boring? Possibly, really depends on how the character is marketed in trailers and such.

That being said, it's probably a safe bet that the largest percentage of players will choose to play as a Human Male Inquisitor in their first playthrough.

[Br3admax]

I've played as both genders, and really the only difference is who you can sleep with, and even that wasn't there in DA ][, so it's pretty much exactly the same.

[Br3admax]

hotdogbsg wrote...

happy_daiz wrote...

Yes, I know, it's a pipe dream, which is why I expressed it as an opinion. BW's marketing team will probably want to have a 'hook', and it will most likely be human male Inquisitor. So dreadfully boring and expected.

Expected? Yes. Boring? Possibly, really depends on how the character is marketed in trailers and such.

That being said, it's probably a safe bet that the largest percentage of players will choose to play as a Human Male Inquisitor in their first playthrough.

Most players won't even finish the game, let alone start another playthrough. 

[hotdogbsg]

Br3ad wrote...

hotdogbsg wrote...

Yes, I know, it's a pipe dream, which is why I expressed it as an opinion. BW's marketing team will probably want to have a 'hook', and it will most likely be human male Inquisitor. So dreadfully boring and expected.

Expected? Yes. Boring? Possibly, really depends on how the character is marketed in trailers and such.

That being said, it's probably a safe bet that the largest percentage of players will choose to play as a Human Male Inquisitor in their first playthrough.

Br3ad wrote...
Most players won't even finish the game, let alone start another playthrough. 

Sure, but I'd still wager some make-believe money that the highest percentage of people will choose a Human Male as their first character, regardless of whether a large chunk of them never get to the end or start another playthrough after completion. 

Modifié par hotdogbsg, 29 janvier 2014 - 03:03 .

[Steelcan]

The FemShep trailers were exactly the same as MaleShep, not any more half hearted or anything like that

[Br3admax]

hotdogbsg wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

hotdogbsg wrote...

Yes, I know, it's a pipe dream, which is why I expressed it as an opinion. BW's marketing team will probably want to have a 'hook', and it will most likely be human male Inquisitor. So dreadfully boring and expected.

Expected? Yes. Boring? Possibly, really depends on how the character is marketed in trailers and such.

That being said, it's probably a safe bet that the largest percentage of players will choose to play as a Human Male Inquisitor in their first playthrough.

Most players won't even finish the game, let alone start another playthrough. 

Sure, but I'd still wager some make-believe money that the highest percentage of people will choose a Human Male as their first character, regardless of whether a large chunk of them never get to the end or start another playthrough after completion. 

I wasn't disagreeing with you, I'm just talking about the "first"(last) playthrough. 

[Zazzerka]

Steelcan wrote...

The FemShep trailers were exactly the same as MaleShep, not any more half hearted or anything like that

I think that's the point. They've just slightly edited MaleShep's trailer.

[JamieCOTC]

Rotward wrote...

They make femshep trailers and they're labeled token, they don't make trailers and they're sexist. How can bioware win, exactly?

BW had no intention of making a femshep trailer prior to David Silverman suggesting it to the higher ups and it took months to produce finally coming out two days before the game. A second one come via a link on another sight the day after the launch trailer. The way they can win is to treat sexes and races equally and plan these things ahead. Realistically that may not be possible and fans should understand that, but it would be nice to see them try. Though one must understand that the ME team were the ones who underestimated their fans attachment to the characters in the first place. That's like saying you don't understand why your game is popular. I give the DA team far more credit in that department. They know the fans love the characters.

[Br3admax]

Zazzerka wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The FemShep trailers were exactly the same as MaleShep, not any more half hearted or anything like that

I think that's the point. They've just slightly edited MaleShep's trailer.

Was it supposed to be anything else? FemShep is just a slightly edited MaleShep afterall, so I really don't see the issue on this one. If gender is so unimportant, you really can't complain when it's shown to be unimportant. 

[Steelcan]

Zazzerka wrote...

Steelcan wrote...

The FemShep trailers were exactly the same as MaleShep, not any more half hearted or anything like that

I think that's the point. They've just slightly edited MaleShep's trailer.

.  And why is that a problem?  Its equally bad

Unless people seriously expected BioWare to spend resources on makong a trailer for a vastly less popular option

[EnigmaXOXO]

I think the biggest marketing mistake is assuming that a customer should already know that a particular game features character customization in regard to race or gender. Particularly since the majority of games on the market feature white male leads and headline them exclusively on box art and ad campaigns.

I can’t tell you how many good games I passed over initially because it was easier to assume that it was just another male-centric shooter. Mass Effect, Saints Row 2, Borderlands and Fallout are just three game francizes I was late to the curve on because there was no information provided by marketers to indicate they offered player choice or character customization.

Only thanks to CUSTOMER reviews, YouTube clips and forums like this one did I eventually learn anything substantial about these games. Would have paid full price at launch had the information been provided by the so-called professional marketers. Then again… their lack of vision meant that I only paid a fraction of their original cost for the privilege of adding them to my game library.

Oh well. Better late than never, I suppose.

Anyhow, I absolutely agree that it’s just good “business sense” to market to a broader audience IF you’ve created a game that might actually appeal to those outside the straight-white-male demographic.  Rather than fearing diversity, they should embrace it as Bioware has. More customers means more money… and hopefully better games for the rest of us!

[Zazzerka]

Steelcan wrote...

Unless people seriously expected BioWare to spend resources on makong a trailer for a vastly less popular option

I guess so. "Hello, my name is FemShep, and I have a vagina."

Coulda worked.

[Steelcan]

DA department knows its fans love characters so much that they don't kill them off, even when they are explicitly said/shown to be dead

[Ridwan]

Why do you lot care so much? You're going to play a female any way and it's the wiser business choice to show a male, since the young teens rather wanna play a guy than a chick.

Naturally though an even wiser business choice would be to show a trailer with all the classes and then mix it up. The human male warrior, the female mage, the dwarf whatever, and so on.

[Grieving Natashina]

It's an M rated game, so I don't know how "young teens' factor into this. They sure as hell shouldn't be represented over fully grown adults, including women.

I'm going to relink this. David Gaider talks about this far better than I could. If you really want to know why women are asking, and why not just show a male, please watch this. I'd highly recommend it.

http://www.gamasutra...ty_in_games.php

You want to know why women and other groups care about representation? Do you want to know why the game industry themselves is working and starting to change the status quo? Are you willing to hear it from someone that actually works in the industry? Watch the video. David isn't talking to fans or at some convention. He's talking to other gaming developers. If you want to know where they are coming from, check that out when you can.

Modifié par Starsyn, 29 janvier 2014 - 03:25 .

[Steelcan]

Starsyn wrote...

It's an M rated game, so I don't know how "young teens' factor into this. They sure as hell shouldn't be represented over fully grown adults, including women.

lol

[Zazzerka]

Starsyn wrote...

It's an M rated game, so I don't know how "young teens' factor into this.

Now, I consider myself a fairly naive person, but you.. caaaaaarmoooon!

[Battlebloodmage]

Starsyn wrote...

It's an M rated game, so I don't know how "young teens' factor into this. They sure as hell shouldn't be represented over fully grown adults, including women.

I'm going to relink this. David Gaider talks about this far better than I could. If you really want to know why women are asking, and why not just show a male, please watch this. I'd highly recommend it.

http://www.gamasutra...ty_in_games.php

You want to know why women and other groups care about representation? Do you want to know why the game industry themselves is starting to change the status quo? Are you willing to hear it from someone that actually works in the industry? Watch the video. David isn't talking to fans or at some convention. He's talking to other gaming developers. If you want to know where they are coming from, check that out when you can.

While I agree with you that more representation is important, I have to disagree with you about the rating and intended target audience though. Do you know the sign at the smoke shop that say the bong is strictly for smoking tobacco? yeah... about that. 

It's an M rated game, but EA is not the one who rated the game, and market it as a mature game would relief EA of liability from the parents. There is a big market among teens, and EA knows it.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 29 janvier 2014 - 03:31 .

[Grieving Natashina]

Steelcan wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

It's an M rated game, so I don't know how "young teens' factor into this. They sure as hell shouldn't be represented over fully grown adults, including women.

lol

What, that young teens should not be getting any market representation for a M rated game.  Even the CoD marketing is towards 18-24 year old boys, not young teens which you cleverly "lol" at.

Oh and that demographic? They are not the gaming majority, by the way.  The average age of a gamer is 30 years old.

[Zazzerka]

CoD uses shooting, explosions, and the latest Eminem track in their advertising. That targets males from like, 8-years-old onwards.