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[Grieving Natashina]

[quote]Zazzerka wrote...


No, but I've acted as the responsible adult when my younger brother was buying MA and R games/movies. Meaning the cashier looks at him, looks at me, I nod my head, and she rings up the purchase. I would totally let my 8-year-old listen to Eminem.[/quote]

However, because you buy the game for your younger brother and you would let him listen to  Eminen doesn't mean it was marketed to him.

I've watched your video. There's nothing wrong with his points.[/quote]

What do you agree or disagree with then?  I'm curious.

[quote]But claiming that 'Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball' is marketed at over-18s because the developers said so is far too trusting.

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May I state again that while games like are marketed to adults, that doesn't mean the adult  that is very interested in the game is mature.  

Modifié par Starsyn, 29 janvier 2014 - 03:59 .

[Battlebloodmage]

Veruin wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...


Yeah, about that.  I live in Colorado

 I've never been to Colorado

It's just the quotation problem. The one I reply to said the first line while I said the second line, not sure why it's messing up though.

[Grieving Natashina]

dreamgazer wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...



One of the most widely-known M-rated games. Totally geared towards mature adults.

I would hope that you know that legal adult =/= mature person.  It is marketed to adults 17 and up.  That doesn't make them a mature adult.

That doesn't really support your assertion about M-rated games and marketing, though.

How so?  I see something that is marketed towards someone that's 17 and up.  Maybe it's just me. 

[Steelcan]

Starsyn wrote...

But claiming that 'Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball' is marketed at over-18s because the developers said so is far too trusting.

May I state again that while games like are marketed to adults, that doesn't mean the adult  that is very interested in the game is mature.  

I don't even.....

wat

[Steelcan]

Starsyn wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...



One of the most widely-known M-rated games. Totally geared towards mature adults.

I would hope that you know that legal adult =/= mature person.  It is marketed to adults 17 and up.  That doesn't make them a mature adult.

That doesn't really support your assertion about M-rated games and marketing, though.

How so?  I see something that is marketed towards someone that's 17 and up.  Maybe it's just me. 

:happy:

[Zazzerka]

So they're marketed to adults with the mentality of children, but not actually the children themselves.

Yep, that checks out.

[Thomas Andresen]

Br3ad wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

Zazzerka wrote...

CoD uses shooting, explosions, and the latest Eminem track in their advertising. That targets males from like, 8-years-old onwards.

They are marketing to adults.  Adult music, adult themes with a high dose of violence.  I can dig up some marketing that's actually aimed at 8 year olds if you like.  I assure you, it isn't anything like that.  I doubt you're old enough to have an 8 year old, but I really hope you wouldn't let them listen to Eminem and play a violet game that's not meant for them.

Have you played CoD, do you know what most of they're players actually sound like. I can assure you, plenty of them are kids who bought it simply for lolexplosions. 

It's the parents responsiblity to say no.  So again, it's not about catering to young teens.  It's about catering to adults.  I'm not sure why so many posters seem almost scared of the idea.  Many women are asking for one trailer. One.  Women want to be represented too, in a game that has been established to have a lot of women in it.

Whad did the majority of this have to do with anything? At all? Now you're going into a completely different tangent. As what the women are asking for, every women asking for a female trailer already knows about the game. What does that accomplish? 

Again, in the video, David Gaider himself stated that 30% of all Dragon Age players are women.  Watch the video, then come back to me.  Until you and Steel actually watch what the industry is saying, there is no point in discussing this further.

Again, what does this have to do with anything. Ads are about bringing in customers, not making the ones you have feel good about themselves. 

I agree with all of this. Especially the bolded part.

1. Lol no, alcohol companies advertise to teens, but they obviously can't say they are, but they still do

Alcohol and tobacco advertisement is actually expressly forbidden in Norway. Except for those "don't be a dealer" campaigns, funded by the major alcohol retailer.

[dreamgazer]

Starsyn wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...



One of the most widely-known M-rated games. Totally geared towards mature adults.

I would hope that you know that legal adult =/= mature person.  It is marketed to adults 17 and up.  That doesn't make them a mature adult.

That doesn't really support your assertion about M-rated games and marketing, though.

How so?  I see something that is marketed towards someone that's 17 and up.  Maybe it's just me. 

Droves upon droves of pre-teen and barely-teen boys throughout the '90s would disagree with you.

Also: 

Steelcan wrote...









:happy:

^

Modifié par dreamgazer, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:10 .

[Steelcan]

Thomas Andresen wrote...

1. Lol no, alcohol companies advertise to teens, but they obviously can't say they are, but they still do

Alcohol and tobacco advertisement is actually expressly forbidden in Norway. Except for those "don't be a dealer" campaigns, funded by the major alcohol retailer.

'Mericuh

[Mr.House]

Starsyn hamster must be in overdrive.

[Grieving Natashina]

Br3ad wrote...

Have you played CoD, do you know what most of they're players actually sound like. I can assure you, plenty of them are kids who bought it simply for lolexplosions.

I've met guys in their 20-40s that sound like that.  Also, that isn't the fault of the game.  That's on Xbox Live, which Gaider also gets into this video.

What did the majority of this have to do with anything? At all? Now you're going into a completely different tangent. As what the women are asking for, every women asking for a female trailer already knows about the game. What does that accomplish?

The majority of women that have posted in this thread have asked for a trailer.  FYI: Not every woman that likes RPGs is going to know about the series.  So what does an ad showing a non-human female accomplish?  It shows inclusion of an entire gaming community.  It can show that a character can kick ass and take names and not be just there for the male hero.

What does it accomplish never changing the way things are?  Is that how it should stay because so many are just more comfortable that way?

Again, what does this have to do with anything. Ads are about bringing in customers, not making the ones you have feel good about themselves. 

Not true; there are entire marketing strategies that revolve around the existing customer.

The purpose of advertising is to convince customers that a company's services or products are the best, enhance the image of the company, point out and create a need for products or services, demonstrate new uses for established products, announce new products and programs, reinforce the salespeople's individual messages, draw customers to the business, and to hold existing customers.

Ads can be there for the current customer as well as the new one. 

Modifié par Starsyn, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:18 .

[Star fury]

Starsyn wrote...

I'm going to relink this. David Gaider talks about this far better than I could. If you really want to know why women are asking, and why not just show a male, please watch this. I'd highly recommend it.

Spamming your link one hundred times doesn't make your point more valid.

Modifié par Star fury, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:09 .

[jaza]

1. Lol no, alcohol companies advertise to teens, but they obviously can't say they are, but they still do

Alcohol and tobacco advertisement is actually expressly forbidden in Norway. Except for those "don't be a dealer" campaigns, funded by the major alcohol retailer.

Hej Norge

True, but the same can not be said for many other countries.

Modifié par jaza, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:10 .

[Br3admax]

Starsyn wrote...

But claiming that 'Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball' is marketed at over-18s because the developers said so is far too trusting.

May I state again that while games like are marketed to adults, that doesn't mean the adult  that is very interested in the game is mature.  

Can you taste that advertise? Adults only kids, we mean it. *wink, *wink, *srs

[OdanUrr]

Starsyn wrote...

Not true; there are entire marketing strategies that revolve around the existing customer.

While probably true, I didn't see those anywhere during ME3's marketing.

[Battlebloodmage]

Br3ad wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

But claiming that 'Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball' is marketed at over-18s because the developers said so is far too trusting.

May I state again that while games like are marketed to adults, that doesn't mean the adult  that is very interested in the game is mature.  

Can you taste that advertise? Adults only kids, we mean it. *wink, *wink, *srs

Clearly plagarized from 2 girls one cup video. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:16 .

[Grieving Natashina]

Br3ad wrote...

Starsyn wrote...

But claiming that 'Dead or Alive: Beach Volleyball' is marketed at over-18s because the developers said so is far too trusting.

May I state again that while games like are marketed to adults, that doesn't mean the adult  that is very interested in the game is mature.  

Can you taste that advertise? Adults only kids, we mean it. *wink, *wink, *srs

Is that for an American game?  

If it's a Japanese game, then guess what?  That's geared towards some horny middle-aged person, not teens.  Cultural differences are fun!

[Zazzerka]

Y'know, a young child is more likely to just think they're eating ice-cream, than alluding to something else.

[TheChris92]

Starsyn wrote...


Is that for an American game?  

If it's a Japanese game, then guess what?  That's geared towards some horny middle-aged person, not teens.  Cultural differences are fun!

I didn't know they were mutually exclusive. :innocent:

[Br3admax]

Starsyn wrote...

Br3ad wrote...

Have you played CoD, do you know what most of they're players actually sound like. I can assure you, plenty of them are kids who bought it simply for lolexplosions.

I've met guys in their 20-40s that sound like that.  Also, that isn't the fault of the game.  That's on Xbox Live, which Gaider also gets into this vidoe.

I met a guy who was 12 like that. What is your point.

Whad did the majority of this have to do with anything? At all? Now you're going into a completely different tangent. As what the women are asking for, every women asking for a female trailer already knows about the game. What does that accomplish?

The majority of women that have posted in this thread have asked for a trailer.  FYI: Not every woman that likes RPGs is going to know about the series.  So what does an ad showing a non-human female accomplish?  It shows inclusion of an entire gaming community.  It can show that a character can kick ass and take names and not be just there for the male hero.

Every women that wants a trailer for this knows about this. Any person with a brain who was actually interested in this game would also look into the gameplay mechanics of it, these are the "hardcore gamer women fo lyfe," you keep trying to bring up. They know about how the game works.

What does it accomplish never changing the way things are?  Is that how it should stay because so many are just more comfortable that way?

No, it accomplishes making more money instead of bandering to the lower precentage of players who already know about the game. 

Again, what does this have to do with anything. Ads are about bringing in customers, not making the ones you have feel good about themselves. 

Not true; there are entire marketing strategies that revolve around the existing customer.

Not really.

The purpose of advertising is to convince customers that a company's services or products are the best, enhance the image of the company, point out and create a need for products or services, demonstrate new uses for established products, announce new products and programs, reinforce the salespeople's individual messages, draw customers to the business, and to hold existing customers.

Also not true. That is what places like this, ES, blogs, their websites, ComicCon, Facebook, and Twitter feeds are for. Otherwise, ads would actually go into these things, instead of showing people killing dragons for thirty seconds. I'm curious as what ad actually showed any of the points you made?

Ads can be there for the current customer as well as the new one. 

No, they really aren't. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:19 .

[Mr.House]

Ah now Starsyn is saying Japanese games are just for horny men, that generalization yo!

[Milan92]

Zazzerka wrote...

Y'know, a young child is more likely to just think they're eating ice-cream, than alluding to something else.

You mean they are doing something else other then eating ice cream?

[jaza]

Starsyn wrote...

Is that for an American game?  

If it's a Japanese game, then guess what?  That's geared towards some horny middle-aged person, not teens.  Cultural differences are fun!

Mmm, now thats some tasty generalization there brah.

[Br3admax]

Starsyn wrote...

Is that for an American game?  

If it's a Japanese game, then guess what?  That's geared towards some horny middle-aged person, not teens.  Cultural differences are fun!

"Dragon Age isn't an American game, so it's geared towards kids."


Also, really? We're insulting others cultures now? And by the way, that game sells in America. Good job though. 

[x-aizen-x]

must we? I swear there are a lot of feminist on BSN