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[wiccame]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

He was following orders at that moment, but that doesn't mean it's what he thinks. Like I said, if you ask for his opinion, he would say he's against killing the mages and annul the circle.



I'm not sure if there's anything he could do during the attack though. Even if he's against Meredith, he alone wouldn't be able to stop her (Especially considering the champion was siding with her), and there's no point in throwing his life away. It's idiotic, not being the voice of reasons or smart. No one is a messiah in this game, you could get Anders to kill mages if you wanted to. I have never said he's a messiah. He's more like a moderate voice in the whole process.

See as i said he is coward he could leave simple if he didn't liked that...
He was supporting her to the end as i said until hawke appeard then he changed his mind and then decided he can do something good one:devil: .

It is not if he didn't want do that he could join to hawke in mage ending he didn't he kill mages end of the story he isn't voice of reason as i said he is blindly obedient to the chantry and was to meredith and when he seen how crazy she was well he didn't but well...

If you talk to him often throughout the game, you can see his doubts on Meredith growing, til eventually he says something like he joined the chantry to serve the order but it seems that serving the order and Meredith are no longer one and the same. So he is not just having a last minute change of heart, its something that has been building up until he finally sees how far she truley has gone off the rails.

And it seems to me Cullen is only 'fanservice' to those who don't like him, or are male gamers who would rather have a female character take a spot he would have.

Modifié par wiccame, 30 janvier 2014 - 09:57 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

wiccame wrote...


If you talk to him often throughout the game, you can see his doubts on Meredith growing, til eventually he says something like he joined the chantry to serve the order but it seems that serving the order and Meredith are no longer one and the same. So he is not just having a last minute change of heart, its something that has been building up until he finally sees how far she truley has gone off the rails.

And it seems to me Cullen is only 'fanservice' to those who don't like him, or are male gamers who would rather have a female character take a spot he would have.

As far i renember he is still supporting meredith in third act and only wonder if rumors are true and yes he changed his mind in last moment after meredith wanted him to kill hawke.And he was one of the templars who heard why meredith want kill mages.

I like some characters but still i call them nothing more fanservice even in da 2 and i would prefer to be cullen be replaced by new character i don't care about gender so take your pick.So it is nothing more "if you don't like cullen yo a stupid"  

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 janvier 2014 - 10:21 .

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

He's conflicted. If he joins the mage's side then it would mean that he made a decision. Maybe it's more indecisive than a coward. If he's actually a coward, he wouldn't have gone against the Knight Commander.

alternative was fighting with hawke and in the end (mage) hawke delivers death glare and cullen have wet pants
crap we have to cut a little our comments because admins will destroy us for pyramid quotes

You are confusing terror with respect.

Cullen respects Hawke, which he makes abdundanlty clear several times.
Besides, he is tired of fighting.

Note that at no point does Cullen stop beleving mages are extreemly dangerous, and while he does not want to anull the circle, that doesnt' mean he can't consider it as necessary (and not because of Anders.
Plenty of people have argued that Merediths reasoning was wrong, but that the Cricle was a lost cause).

[wiccame]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

wiccame wrote...


If you talk to him often throughout the game, you can see his doubts on Meredith growing, til eventually he says something like he joined the chantry to serve the order but it seems that serving the order and Meredith are no longer one and the same. So he is not just having a last minute change of heart, its something that has been building up until he finally sees how far she truley has gone off the rails.

And it seems to me Cullen is only 'fanservice' to those who don't like him, or are male gamers who would rather have a female character take a spot he would have.

As far i renember he is still supporting meredith in third act and only wonder if rumors are true and yes he changed his mind in last moment after meredith wanted him to kill hawke.And he was one of the templars who heard why meredith want kill mages.

I like some characters but still i call them nothing more fanservice even in da 2 and i would prefer to be cullen be replaced by new character i don't care about gender so take your pick.So it is nothing more "if you don't like cullen yo a stupid"  

Of course he still follows her, she is his commanding officer...even Carver will follow her even if that means siding against his brother/sister. (Even if your relationship with him is at friend max).
Its when it becomes apparent that she is just crazy and the welfare of the city and its people have nothing to do with what she is doing that makes Cullen act...as second in command he has the authority to relieve her from duty. But only if it absolutely clear that is the case. So he can't really act until then. 

Modifié par wiccame, 30 janvier 2014 - 10:36 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...


You are confusing terror with respect.

Cullen respects Hawke, which he makes abdundanlty clear several times.
Besides, he is tired of fighting.

Note that at no point does Cullen stop beleving mages are extreemly dangerous, and while he does not want to anull the circle, that doesnt' mean he can't consider it as necessary (and not because of Anders.
Plenty of people have argued that Merediths reasoning was wrong, but that the Cricle was a lost cause).

Not rly respect hawke delivers him death glare (intimidating move) then cullens shifts back pretty much fear.
Pretty much don't care in what cullen belive but real reason behind meredith action was just wish to chop mages in the end she don't even bother to hide it , she used anders and folks as excuse to kill mages and she said that before her templars and hawke.Circle might (well not rly might because was) be corrupted but that wasn't real reason behind meredith actions she was as fu*** as mages in that circle.

wiccame wrote...

 Of course he still follows her, she is his commanding officer...even
Carver will follow her even if that means siding against his
brother/sister. (Even if your relationship with him is at friend max).
Its
when it becomes apparent that she is just crazy and the welfare of the
city and its people have nothing to do with what she is doing that makes
Cullen act...as second in command he has the authority to relieve her
from duty. But only if it absolutely clear that is the case. So he can't
really act until then. 

   

It is rather clear that she is insane in third act even more clear for pro-templar hawke it is just case when insane and paranoid person is right (about mages at least) what doesn't change fact that she is nuts even peoples outside circle knew that.As i said cullen intervened only when he had face killing machine that choped most of their forces not when he had doubts... 

And please spare telling that killing mage hawke (at least in mage ending) is insane when killing other mages that hawke was helping isn't...  

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 janvier 2014 - 12:02 .

[Mirrman70]

I feel as if the the look Hawke gave him was more of a question. Cullen knew he couldn't beat hawke but wasn't "afraid", I feel cautious is a bit more fitting like how a hunter feels when facing down a grizzly bear and deciding that he doesn't want to risk it.

[Lulupab]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

He's conflicted. If he joins the mage's side then it would mean that he made a decision. Maybe it's more indecisive than a coward. If he's actually a coward, he wouldn't have gone against the Knight Commander.

alternative was fighting with hawke and in the end (mage) hawke delivers death glare and cullen have wet pants
crap we have to cut a little our comments because admins will destroy us for pyramid quotes

You are confusing terror with respect.

Cullen respects Hawke, which he makes abdundanlty clear several times.
Besides, he is tired of fighting.

Note that at no point does Cullen stop beleving mages are extreemly dangerous, and while he does not want to anull the circle, that doesnt' mean he can't consider it as necessary (and not because of Anders.
Plenty of people have argued that Merediths reasoning was wrong, but that the Cricle was a lost cause).

True but Cullen both respects and fears Hawke to some degree. I mean Hawke just defetead the strongest Templar as of yet in front of Cullen's eyes, it has to create at least some caution if not fear.

Then again if you side with Templars he bows before you right? It means he knows Hawke is his superior in power.

[wiccame]

*It is rather clear that she is insane in third act even more clear for pro-templar hawke it is just case when insane and paranoid person is right (about mages at least) what doesn't change fact that she is nuts even peoples outside circle knew that.As i said cullen intervened only when he had face killing machine that choped most of their forces not when he had doubts... 

And please spare telling that killing mage hawke (at least in mage ending) is insane when killing other mages that hawke was helping isn't... *  
[/quote]

Clear to everyone but Templars, minus Thrask, Keran and probably a few others. The majority still think Meredith's harsh treatment of mages is justified, maybe a little extreme.
Considering what Cullen went through in Origins at the tower, it takes him a little longer to see just how crazy she is. Because he does think mages need that harsher treatment.

No I don't think killing mage Hawke is less insane than all other mages but if you take what Cullen said in origins...'To ensure this horror is ended, to be sure no abominations or blood mages live you must kill everyone up there' Innocent or not. But he also says that the mage warden hasnt been up there under their infuence, therefore not condemed to the same fate. Which is pretty much the situation with Meredith at the end. 

Modifié par wiccame, 30 janvier 2014 - 12:35 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

wiccame wrote...





Clear to everyone but Templars, minus Thrask, Keran and probably a few others. The majority still think Meredith's harsh treatment of mages is justified, maybe a little extreme.
Considering what Cullen went through in Origins at the tower, it takes him a little longer to see just how crazy she is. Because he does think mages need that harsher treatment.

No I don't think killing mage Hawke is less insane than all other mages but if you take what Cullen said in origins...'To ensure this horror is ended, to be sure no abominations or blood mages live you must kill everyone up there' Innocent or not. But he also says that the mage warden hasnt been up there under their infuence, therefore not condemed to the same fate. Which is pretty much the situation with Meredith at the end. 

So do you want tell me that peoples who work her very close can't see that she was insane? Hell my pro-templar hawke could see that pretty easily even more than pro-mage hawke.excuse for blindness and there always will be excuses pretty same toward mages. 

What what insane twisted logic that is? Pretty much he was helping them against templars attacking pro-mage hawke wasn't insane in any matter hell even choping mages wouldn't be insane but pretty much reasons behind that make meredith insane and unstable not that she choped mages or hawke. If cullen have such way of thinking he should join meredith as one of nutsies that i slained in kirkwall.

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 janvier 2014 - 12:43 .

[wiccame]

Mirrman70 wrote...

I feel as if the the look Hawke gave him was more of a question. Cullen knew he couldn't beat hawke but wasn't "afraid", I feel cautious is a bit more fitting like how a hunter feels when facing down a grizzly bear and deciding that he doesn't want to risk it.

I think it was just a 'What happens next' look. Him backing up is a sign that he's willing to let Hawke leave without pursuit. 

[wiccame]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

wiccame wrote...





Clear to everyone but Templars, minus Thrask, Keran and probably a few others. The majority still think Meredith's harsh treatment of mages is justified, maybe a little extreme.
Considering what Cullen went through in Origins at the tower, it takes him a little longer to see just how crazy she is. Because he does think mages need that harsher treatment.

No I don't think killing mage Hawke is less insane than all other mages but if you take what Cullen said in origins...'To ensure this horror is ended, to be sure no abominations or blood mages live you must kill everyone up there' Innocent or not. But he also says that the mage warden hasnt been up there under their infuence, therefore not condemed to the same fate. Which is pretty much the situation with Meredith at the end. 

So do you want tell me that peoples who work her very close can't see that she was insane? Hell my pro-templar hawke could see that pretty easily even more than pro-mage hawke.excuse for blindness and there always will be excuses pretty same toward mages. 

What what insane twisted logic that is? Pretty much he was helping them against templars attacking pro-mage hawke wasn't insane in any matter hell even choping mages wouldn't be insane but pretty much reasons behind that make meredith insane and unstable not that she choped mages or hawke. If cullen have such way of thinking he should join meredith as one of nutsies that i slained in kirkwall.

yeah, they are templars and they have been conditioned to believe all mages are dangerous and need constant vigilent watch over them. And considering all the blood mages roaming free or in the circle itself they probably feel that Merediths actions are justifed.

[Tarek]

Naesaki wrote...

Tarek wrote...

Naesaki wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Naesaki wrote...

Tarek wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

DRTJR wrote...

I'm guessing because a lot of female players want him to, Pamper their Paragons, Grey their Wardens, Circle their Mage, or Satisfy a demand of their Qun.

And male players!
Don't forget us!!!

they keep asuming its the girl fans!!! trust me most are guys demanding this

yes don't forget about us Male Fans!!! Cullen 

Please. Are you honestly telling me you'd choose Cullen over that bearded male warden? I'm a girl and I wouldn't. I don't want a templar who will whine about how evil mages are. I want a warden who is not afraid to use any means necessary to achieve his goal.

Oh that male warden would be chosen everytime most certainly but if he's not available Cullen would be choice #2 xD

why not both

in bed

making out while u watch

you sir are putting very naughty thoughts into my head..... :innocent:

thats what im here for

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Not rly respect hawke delivers him death glare (intimidating move) then cullens shifts back pretty much fear.
Pretty much don't care in what cullen belive but real reason behind meredith action was just wish to chop mages in the end she don't even bother to hide it , she used anders and folks as excuse to kill mages and she said that before her templars and hawke.Circle might (well not rly might because was) be corrupted but that wasn't real reason behind meredith actions she was as fu*** as mages in that circle.

Yes, respect. We know it, so there's no point in arguing.

And you cannot really discuss a character if you don't care at all about what drives him or what he believes in.
Cullen is devoted to duty and the protection of the citizens of Thedas. Malice does not drive him. He does what he does because he considers it necessary.
The Kirkwall circle was a nest of blood mages and it doesn't take Anders to come to the conclusion it needs purging. Merediths reason (or excuse, as if it's necessary) is not everyones reason. And still Cullen didn't like the idea. He argued agasint it.

[Chanda]

wiccame wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

I feel as if the the look Hawke gave him was more of a question. Cullen knew he couldn't beat hawke but wasn't "afraid", I feel cautious is a bit more fitting like how a hunter feels when facing down a grizzly bear and deciding that he doesn't want to risk it.

I think it was just a 'What happens next' look. Him backing up is a sign that he's willing to let Hawke leave without pursuit. 

That's exactly how I took it.

[Magdalena11]

wiccame wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

I feel as if the the look Hawke gave him was more of a question. Cullen knew he couldn't beat hawke but wasn't "afraid", I feel cautious is a bit more fitting like how a hunter feels when facing down a grizzly bear and deciding that he doesn't want to risk it.

I think it was just a 'What happens next' look. Him backing up is a sign that he's willing to let Hawke leave without pursuit. 

I think he's being pragmatic.  He's just seen Hawke take out his boss and the bronze statues in the courtyard.  No matter whether Hawke stays as Viscount (briefly, I assume) or leaves town, I think the only thing Cullen cares about is restoring law an order as quickly as possible, with as many men as he started with.

[BubbleDncr]

I like the idea of Cullen being a companions because he is one of the few characters to appear in both DA:O and DA2 and not be a companion. I think the only others are Sandal, Bodahn, and Flemeth. And I guess Teagan, but he's more of a cameo in DA2.

But I like that there's characters who have story arcs spanning throughout the games. The fact that Merrill and Anders' lives had both been altered by my Dalish Elf Warden made me feel bad for having crossed their paths, and added a layer to the story. And I feel like them being upgraded to "companion" lets you experience their story arc in a more impactful way than just seeing them hang around (like Cullen in DA2).

To me, it seems like Cullen is in a good spot right now to have the "climax" of his storyline, as a companion to the Inquisitor. I'm interested in seeing where his story goes, since we've kind of been following it for two games now, and it being resolved while he's a companion is just more interesting, to me.

[Rixatrix]

 Why do some call Cullen "fanservice"? For one simple reason:


"Us v. Them" mentality.

Factions pop up in fandoms all the time, each of them advocating passionately for their pet project. Some people really want to romance Morrigan or Leliana again or a Kossith, maybe some people really want New Game+, some people want sword sheaths and bowstrings, long hairdos, dyable armor, Impossible Difficulty mode, Pathfinder D&D rules, whatever and they DGAF about Cullen, so they advocate for their thing and look down on what they don't like or want. Not all do, but some do. Look at the rivalries between Mets & Yankees fans, Xbox & Playstation fans, etc.

Maybe some people see Cullen content as cutting into their game agenda pie, seeing how development time & budget is finite, and they would rather see all their desires make it in and DGAF about anything else. Look at the people who waltz into LI threads and go "LOLOLOL another BSN pervert thread, shut up already!!111one" and then go start threads about stuff they want, like some kind of armor, a new game mode, this/that about multiplayer, etc. It's all "the stuff I like is more important than the stuff you like" and "stop liking what I don't like."

Sure, you can try to understand them, try to reason with them, try to fight them, but really the best thing to do is just advocate for what you want and remember that:

Modifié par BlueMoonSeraphim, 30 janvier 2014 - 08:19 .

[laudable11]

I think he's cool because I believe he's a well written character.

[Chanda]

Magdalena11 wrote...

wiccame wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

I feel as if the the look Hawke gave him was more of a question. Cullen knew he couldn't beat hawke but wasn't "afraid", I feel cautious is a bit more fitting like how a hunter feels when facing down a grizzly bear and deciding that he doesn't want to risk it.

I think it was just a 'What happens next' look. Him backing up is a sign that he's willing to let Hawke leave without pursuit. 

I think he's being pragmatic.  He's just seen Hawke take out his boss and the bronze statues in the courtyard.  No matter whether Hawke stays as Viscount (briefly, I assume) or leaves town, I think the only thing Cullen cares about is restoring law an order as quickly as possible, with as many men as he started with.

I don't know about other people's playthroughs, but in all of my playthroughs, Cullen helped me to fight against Meredith and the bronze statues. He wasn't on the sidelines sucking his thumb.

[CuriousArtemis]

Chanda wrote...

Magdalena11 wrote...

wiccame wrote...

Mirrman70 wrote...

I feel as if the the look Hawke gave him was more of a question. Cullen knew he couldn't beat hawke but wasn't "afraid", I feel cautious is a bit more fitting like how a hunter feels when facing down a grizzly bear and deciding that he doesn't want to risk it.

I think it was just a 'What happens next' look. Him backing up is a sign that he's willing to let Hawke leave without pursuit. 

I think he's being pragmatic.  He's just seen Hawke take out his boss and the bronze statues in the courtyard.  No matter whether Hawke stays as Viscount (briefly, I assume) or leaves town, I think the only thing Cullen cares about is restoring law an order as quickly as possible, with as many men as he started with.

I don't know about other people's playthroughs, but in all of my playthroughs, Cullen helped me to fight against Meredith and the bronze statues. He wasn't on the sidelines sucking his thumb.

Yep, same. 

[Sundance31us]

motomotogirl wrote...

Chanda wrote...

I don't know about other people's playthroughs, but in all of my playthroughs, Cullen helped me to fight against Meredith and the bronze statues. He wasn't on the sidelines sucking his thumb.

Yep, same. 

And here.

[Battlebloodmage]

Sundance31us wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Chanda wrote...

I don't know about other people's playthroughs, but in all of my playthroughs, Cullen helped me to fight against Meredith and the bronze statues. He wasn't on the sidelines sucking his thumb.

Yep, same. 

And here.

Are we doing "I am Spatacus"? 
 
Me also then. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 30 janvier 2014 - 11:02 .

[LolaLei]

laudable11 wrote...

I think he's cool because I believe he's a well written character.

THIS!

[ames4u]

Well, you could argue that any character that has been in the game before will come across as fanservice if they put in an appearance in a follow up title. There is no real way to escape that accusation in my opinion and in a way, it is a correct accusation though the intent may not be malicious.

As strange as it may seem-I see Cullen like this;



And I find it strangely endearing. However, my issue with him being a potential crew member/LI is that from some pieces of info, Cassandra may be pushing the pro-chantry/templar side of things and I don't know if I can handle having two companions behaving this way.

Modifié par ames4u, 30 janvier 2014 - 11:15 .

[Hellion Rex]

ames4u wrote...
And I find it strangely endearing. However, my issue with him being a potential crew member/LI is that from some pieces of info, Cassandra may be pushing the pro-chantry/templar side of things and I don't know if I can handle having two companions behaving this way.

People have been mentioning recently that Cassandra might be experiencing a bit of doubt in regards to the Chantry. That being said, her affiliation with the Chantry is different enough from a more conservative Templar like Cullen to make it not that much of a stretch. I mean, we had two apostate mages in DA2, and one was even maleficar. So, it might not be that much a stretch to have two people on the Chantry side of things.