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[wiccame]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Chanda wrote...

I don't know about other people's playthroughs, but in all of my playthroughs, Cullen helped me to fight against Meredith and the bronze statues. He wasn't on the sidelines sucking his thumb.

Yep, same. 

And here.

Are we doing "I am Spatacus"? 
 
Me also then. 

Here too..after putting himself between Meredith and myself and raising his sword against her...

[Orian Tabris]

wiccame wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Chanda wrote...

I don't know about other people's playthroughs, but in all of my playthroughs, Cullen helped me to fight against Meredith and the bronze statues. He wasn't on the sidelines sucking his thumb.

Yep, same. 

And here.

Are we doing "I am Spatacus"? 
 
Me also then. 

Here too..after putting himself between Meredith and myself and raising his sword against her...

Correct me if I'm wrong, but of all the people who join in the fight against Meredith and co., Cullen was the only one who fought, irrespective of what decisions the player made in the game. You could be as anti-templar, and/or as anti-Cullen, as is possible in DA2, and he'd still fight her.

[Mirrman70]

you are correct dear sir.

[wiccame]

I'm pretty sure templar Carver would fight her too regardless of your choices and whether you were friendly to him or not, but I could be wrong I am not entirely sure on that.

Modifié par wiccame, 31 janvier 2014 - 12:43 .

[CuriousArtemis]

wiccame wrote...

I'm pretty sure templar Carver would fight her too regardless of your choices and whether you were friendly to him or not, but I could be wrong I am not entirely sure on that.

Even if he's not in your party? (I thought Bethany had to be in your party.)

[Orian Tabris]

motomotogirl wrote...

wiccame wrote...

I'm pretty sure templar Carver would fight her too regardless of your choices and whether you were friendly to him or not, but I could be wrong I am not entirely sure on that.

Even if he's not in your party? (I thought Bethany had to be in your party.)

Pretty sure it's the same for both of them.

@wiccame. Technically, you made a choice to play a class over another (mage), which means you ultimately chose Carver (irrespective of your intentions) to survive escaping Lothering.

[wiccame]

Carver has fought Meredith without being in my party yes. Bethany rejoins you as a companion whether you side with templars or mages(well unless she is in the circle, I forgot about that) so she becomes available. Of course if you side with mages Carver with go against you at first, and only defends you at the end so he doesnt really get a chance to join the party (unless you are a party memeber short when confronting Meredith, then he joins you) but he still fights with you.

I actually just mentioned Carver over Bethany as he can be a Templar, a Templar that can turn on his commander to defend Hawke and fight her regardless of your actions throughout the game. That was the point I was making.

Modifié par wiccame, 31 janvier 2014 - 01:28 .

[Ser Alicia]

laudable11 wrote...

I think he's cool because I believe he's a well written character.

Agreed. 

[Ser Alicia]

wiccame wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Sundance31us wrote...

motomotogirl wrote...

Chanda wrote...

I don't know about other people's playthroughs, but in all of my playthroughs, Cullen helped me to fight against Meredith and the bronze statues. He wasn't on the sidelines sucking his thumb.

Yep, same. 

And here.

Are we doing "I am Spatacus"? 
 
Me also then. 

Here too..after putting himself between Meredith and myself and raising his sword against her...

Ditto. Cullen stood up for my Hawke. I truly respect him for doing that.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Not rly respect hawke delivers him death glare (intimidating move) then cullens shifts back pretty much fear.
Pretty much don't care in what cullen belive but real reason behind meredith action was just wish to chop mages in the end she don't even bother to hide it , she used anders and folks as excuse to kill mages and she said that before her templars and hawke.Circle might (well not rly might because was) be corrupted but that wasn't real reason behind meredith actions she was as fu*** as mages in that circle.

Yes, respect. We know it, so there's no point in arguing.

And you cannot really discuss a character if you don't care at all about what drives him or what he believes in.
Cullen is devoted to duty and the protection of the citizens of Thedas. Malice does not drive him. He does what he does because he considers it necessary.
The Kirkwall circle was a nest of blood mages and it doesn't take Anders to come to the conclusion it needs purging. Merediths reason (or excuse, as if it's necessary) is not everyones reason. And still Cullen didn't like the idea. He argued agasint it.

Pretty much i don't care in what every fictional character belive why i should?And if he was so devoted why he let most famous and dangerous apostate (hawke) or mage supporter escape because it was his job to stop him... it wasn't respect it was fear as i said.Meredith stated outright reason behind killing mages in that circle and do i have to say that RoA involves everyone even childrens (not that i care:whistle:) who can't be blood mages?Meredith when ordered killing hawke (at least when on mage side) did her job pretty every kc would do that it obvious that wasn't "oh you are insane"  moment on cullen side just moment of fear because he had face hawke.    

[rasloveszev]

And if he was so devoted why he let most famous and dangerous apostate (hawke) or mage supporter escape because it was his job to stop him...

He's not dumb AND he is merciful when you help him out. Remember in Act 1 he only takes Bethany. 

Hiding an apostate is hanging offense. Only nobles are allowed to hide apostates.

it wasn't respect it was fear as i said.

The who tried to single-handedly kill an abomination would fear Hawke? Yeah I doubt that. 

"oh you are insane"  moment on cullen side just moment of fear because he had face hawke.    

How completely wrong you are. Cullen has shown evidence of respecting Hawke and  standing up to Meridith because she is crazy. I have yet to see clear evidence of fear. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

rasloveszev wrote...

And if he was so devoted why he let most famous and dangerous apostate (hawke) or mage supporter escape because it was his job to stop him...

He's not dumb AND he is merciful when you help him out. Remember in Act 1 he only takes Bethany. 

Hiding an apostate is hanging offense. Only nobles are allowed to hide apostates.

it wasn't respect it was fear as i said.

The who tried to single-handedly kill an abomination would fear Hawke? Yeah I doubt that. 

"oh you are insane"  moment on cullen side just moment of fear because he had face hawke.    

How completely wrong you are. Cullen has shown evidence of respecting Hawke and  standing up to Meridith because she is crazy. I have yet to see clear evidence of fear. 

Yes he is merciful right like when he killed ex-templar who helped them because he was dealing with blood mages which he didn't know ups not so merciful... hell it was his suggestion not hawke and his first...
Wait what?


haha you mean when he followed apprentice to interrogate him and then turned into abomnation that hawke killed and do i have remind that hawke have pride demons and army (templars) on his account?

Yes so killing dangerous apostate who killed our army of templars and helped mages that we wanted kill is insane becasue cullen says so... pathetic excuse carp that was sanest thing meredith could do so taking that as cullen saw meredith madness because she did that what any KC would do in such situation is desperate attempt to excuse cullen nothing more... 

[rasloveszev]

Yes he is merciful right like when he killed ex-templar who helped them because he was dealing with blood mages which he didn't know ups not so merciful... hell it was his suggestion not hawke and his first...
Wait what?

 What are talking about? Names would be nice.

haha you mean when he followed apprentice to interrogate him and then turned into abomnation that hawke killed and do i have remind that hawke have pride demons and army (templars) on his account?

Who the heck interrogates people in the mountains unless they plan a murder there? Also, Cullen didn't seem too shocked to see that a templar became an abomination. 

Yes so killing dangerous apostate who killed our army of templars and helped mages that we wanted kill is insane becasue cullen says so... 

Cullen did not want to kill to Hawke and they might have discussed this off-screen about the reprecussions of Meridith's actions if she tried to kill the Champion Of Kirkwall. He  did not want the Champion Of Kirkwall killed.

[TheKomandorShepard]

rasloveszev wrote...

Yes he is merciful right like when he killed ex-templar who helped them because he was dealing with blood mages which he didn't know ups not so merciful... hell it was his suggestion not hawke and his first...
Wait what?

 What are talking about? Names would be nice.

haha you mean when he followed apprentice to interrogate him and then turned into abomnation that hawke killed and do i have remind that hawke have pride demons and army (templars) on his account?

Who the heck interrogates people in the mountains unless they plan a murder there? Also, Cullen didn't seem too shocked to see that a templar became an abomination. 

Yes so killing dangerous apostate who killed our army of templars and helped mages that we wanted kill is insane becasue cullen says so... 

Cullen did not want to kill to Hawke and they might have discussed this off-screen about the reprecussions of Meridith's actions if she tried to kill the Champion Of Kirkwall. He  did not want the Champion Of Kirkwall killed.

1.Samson
2.Wasn't he follow him or something? Well templar and abomnation hmm thats rare..

3.So what cullen first kills childrens and other mages and thats fine because they may be blood mages but killing hawke who helped them and damaged their order and will probably fight them in future is insane? Pretty much insane troll logic on his side. Do i have say that champion sided against templars so what reprecussions?

[rasloveszev]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

rasloveszev wrote...

Yes he is merciful right like when he killed ex-templar who helped them because he was dealing with blood mages which he didn't know ups not so merciful... hell it was his suggestion not hawke and his first...
Wait what?

 What are talking about? Names would be nice.

haha you mean when he followed apprentice to interrogate him and then turned into abomnation that hawke killed and do i have remind that hawke have pride demons and army (templars) on his account?

Who the heck interrogates people in the mountains unless they plan a murder there? Also, Cullen didn't seem too shocked to see that a templar became an abomination. 

Yes so killing dangerous apostate who killed our army of templars and helped mages that we wanted kill is insane becasue cullen says so... 

Cullen did not want to kill to Hawke and they might have discussed this off-screen about the reprecussions of Meridith's actions if she tried to kill the Champion Of Kirkwall. He  did not want the Champion Of Kirkwall killed.

1.Samson
2.Wasn't he follow him or something? Well templar and abomnation hmm thats rare..

3.So what cullen first kills childrens and other mages and thats fine because they may be blood mages but killing hawke who helped them and damaged their order and will probably fight them in future is insane? Pretty much insane troll logic on his side. Do i have say that champion sided against templars so what reprecussions?

Again, what are you talking about?

[TheKomandorShepard]

rasloveszev wrote...


Again, what are you talking about?

RoA?

[wiccame]

Meredith herself says in act 3 to a mage Hawke as well...She only allows Hawke to freely move around Kirkwall because they have been a protector to the city, if for one moment she feels that is no longer the case.... So this is why they don't kill Hawke outright or put him/her in the circle...
Meredith is obviously just using Hawke for as long as she can and the first moment she gets will turn on Hawke...Cullen on the other hand respects Hawkes and is willing to give them that freedom as Hawke has shown no sign of going crazy on them.

Modifié par wiccame, 31 janvier 2014 - 12:02 .

[wiccame]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Not rly respect hawke delivers him death glare (intimidating move) then cullens shifts back pretty much fear.
Pretty much don't care in what cullen belive but real reason behind meredith action was just wish to chop mages in the end she don't even bother to hide it , she used anders and folks as excuse to kill mages and she said that before her templars and hawke.Circle might (well not rly might because was) be corrupted but that wasn't real reason behind meredith actions she was as fu*** as mages in that circle.

Yes, respect. We know it, so there's no point in arguing.

And you cannot really discuss a character if you don't care at all about what drives him or what he believes in.
Cullen is devoted to duty and the protection of the citizens of Thedas. Malice does not drive him. He does what he does because he considers it necessary.
The Kirkwall circle was a nest of blood mages and it doesn't take Anders to come to the conclusion it needs purging. Merediths reason (or excuse, as if it's necessary) is not everyones reason. And still Cullen didn't like the idea. He argued agasint it.

Pretty much i don't care in what every fictional character belive why i should?And if he was so devoted why he let most famous and dangerous apostate (hawke) or mage supporter escape because it was his job to stop him... it wasn't respect it was fear as i said.Meredith stated outright reason behind killing mages in that circle and do i have to say that RoA involves everyone even childrens (not that i care:whistle:) who can't be blood mages?Meredith when ordered killing hawke (at least when on mage side) did her job pretty every kc would do that it obvious that wasn't "oh you are insane"  moment on cullen side just moment of fear because he had face hawke.    

ok firstly the right of annulment applies to the circle...Hawke wasn't in the circle.
Secondly Meredith was planning on arresting Hawke which Cullen had agreed to do, but then she changed the plan to kill Hawke. It had nothing to do with hawke being a mage...she does it to any Hawke. Cullen was ready to arrest hawke for all the mage assistance they did, but murdering Hawke was going to far as far as Cullen was concerned...it wasnt waht the order stood for, he said it himself. Meredith was no longer acting for the order. He ordered her to stand down and she went crazy. He joined forces with the one person that was standing against her.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...
Pretty much i don't care in what every fictional character belive why i should?And if he was so devoted why he let most famous and dangerous apostate (hawke) or mage supporter escape because it was his job to stop him... it wasn't respect it was fear as i said.Meredith stated outright reason behind killing mages in that circle and do i have to say that RoA involves everyone even childrens who can't be blood mages?Meredith when ordered killing hawke (at least when on mage side) did her job pretty every kc would do that it obvious that wasn't "oh you are insane"  moment on cullen side just moment of fear because he had face hawke.    

So why should *I* care what Meredith believed? You just said you don't care what a fictional character belives. Meredith is one.


So le'ts recap.
MEREDITHS reasoning is that all mages are guilty. She is paranoid, but there's also no reason for her to belive Anders when he said he was working alone.
What about the other temaplrs? Do they thing every mage is guilty? Do they even care if Meredith uses a wrong pretext to do the right thing?

Also, children can be possesed.


Also, Hawke wasn't part of the Circle, he was not part of the Annulment. Given that he is a special case (like Grey Wardens) here was no a reason to kill Hawke.

[Lotion Soronarr]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

and do i have remind that hawke have pride demons and army (templars) on his account?

Why shoulId care?
It's a game. You can kill things that are realisticly not killable by a single guy.
Hawke's acomplishments are irrelevant and not applicable.

[EmperorSahlertz]

A sadistic part of me wishes they include Cullen, and do not make him romancable.

[9TailsFox]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A sadistic part of me wishes they include Cullen, and do not make him romancable.

This is not sadistic. Better make him Jacob v2 

[9TailsFox]

wiccame wrote...

Meredith herself says in act 3 to a mage Hawke as well...She only allows Hawke to freely move around Kirkwall because they have been a protector to the city, if for one moment she feels that is no longer the case.... So this is why they don't kill Hawke outright or put him/her in the circle...
Meredith is obviously just using Hawke for as long as she can and the first moment she gets will turn on Hawke...Cullen on the other hand respects Hawkes and is willing to give them that freedom as Hawke has shown no sign of going crazy on them.

But my sarcastic Hawke shown signs of going crazy. And I openly support Anders and opose Meridith.

[EmperorSahlertz]

9TailsFox wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A sadistic part of me wishes they include Cullen, and do not make him romancable.

This is not sadistic. Better make him Jacob v2 

Oh man that was a kick in the teeth. I thought it was funny, but that is mostly because I still remember how my sister reacted to that 

But yeeeesssss, so many wonderful options in how to include Cullen and still cause maximal pain in his fangroup 

[ManOfSteel]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

A sadistic part of me wishes they include Cullen, and do not make him romancable.

Yes please.