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[Amirit]

No, it is not confirmed. But official conformation is all that left considering everything.

[Walrider]

Amirit wrote...

No, it is not confirmed. But official conformation is all that left considering everything.

I wouldn't get my hopes up like that. That's how, "bioware missed a great opportunity," or, "bioware messed up," threads start; by people believing their hopes will obviously become a reality in the game, and taking it out on the devs and writers when it isn't so.

I hope Cullen will be in the game, but to what extent, I have no idea.

Modifié par ObiWanJesus, 03 février 2014 - 04:04 .

[Hazegurl]

Rassler wrote...
I do like Cullen's looks but that's the only thing I like about him. He can turn up as a good character if written well but like said above he has been quite extreme so far, better than other exteme characters but this only makes him best of worst.

tbh I wouldn't say no to rival themed Cullen romance. It will be like how I romanced Fenris. "Shut the hell up and come over here because I have needs, I still hate your guts btw." But maybe that's just me.

Cullen has earned the right to appear in Inquisition but will it be as companion? We have yet to see, don't we? 

How has he been extreme? In DAO after the tower deal yeah but he was pretty reasonable in DA2. He wasn't torturing or beating or raping any mages like the extreme templars in the game and he defies Meredith. I see no reason why the writers would jump back several years into DAO for Cullen's character when so much has happened.

I'm not saying he'll be loving mage freedom etc but I would hardly call him extreme now.  I hope he would be a companion if he appears...a romancable one.

[dragonflight288]

Hazegurl wrote...

Rassler wrote...
I do like Cullen's looks but that's the only thing I like about him. He can turn up as a good character if written well but like said above he has been quite extreme so far, better than other exteme characters but this only makes him best of worst.

tbh I wouldn't say no to rival themed Cullen romance. It will be like how I romanced Fenris. "Shut the hell up and come over here because I have needs, I still hate your guts btw." But maybe that's just me.

Cullen has earned the right to appear in Inquisition but will it be as companion? We have yet to see, don't we? 

How has he been extreme? In DAO after the tower deal yeah but he was pretty reasonable in DA2. He wasn't torturing or beating or raping any mages like the extreme templars in the game and he defies Meredith. I see no reason why the writers would jump back several years into DAO for Cullen's character when so much has happened.

I'm not saying he'll be loving mage freedom etc but I would hardly call him extreme now.  I hope he would be a companion if he appears...a romancable one.

People who criticize Cullen in DA2 for extremism use a few of his lines like when he says mages cannot be treated as people. They are weapons.

They also hold him up to a standard. As Meredith's second-in-command, he also had authority, and the responsibility, to make sure the templars were doing what templars are supposed to. Hold his subordinates accountable, and Alrik and Kerres are both his subordinates, and his failure to even investigate them while he lives in the same place as their victims is a black mark to many players. And when he's shown evidence of Alrik's illegal tranquilizations, he barely glances at it, and simply says he won't ask how Hawke came by it.

I think Cullen would be an interesting character in Inquisition, as I think he'll develop in a unique way. In Origins he experienced the worst of mages, but in DA2 he witnessed the worst of templars. But I also think he wasn't ready to be Knight-Captain, as his codex pretty much says that he was promoted so quickly because his views matched Meredith's, which is another reason people think of him as extreme. And we know in Origins that he was almost brand new in the order, so he was chosen for promotion over templars who had more experience than him.

[Lorien19]

ObiWanJesus wrote...

Amirit wrote...

No, it is not confirmed. But official conformation is all that left considering everything.

I wouldn't get my hopes up like that. That's how, "bioware missed a great opportunity," or, "bioware messed up," threads start; by people believing their hopes will obviously become a reality in the game, and taking it out on the devs and writers when it isn't so.

I hope Cullen will be in the game, but to what extent, I have no idea.

It's better to take any semi confirmed speculation with a grain of salt imo,it will reduce the number of threads like  these popping up, when things don't turn out as expected...

I do hope so too,he was present when this whole mage-templar mess started and has seen the worst of both worlds. His input on the whole situation will be nothing if not interesting!

[The Elder King]

@Hazegurl: I think that it depends on what you define as extreme. If for an extremist templar you think only about corrupted templars that tranquilize illegally mages, and rapist, yes, Cullen isn't extremist. If you consider a templar extremist based not only by those actions, but by his/her views, Cullen could be classified as extremist, considering his speech in Act 1. His position isn't that different from Fenris, and he isn't moderate.
Though during the game he changes a bit his stance (and Act 1 was still close to DAO). Plus, the events at the end of the game would likely affect his views, so (in my opinion) he should be a bit different in DAI.

[The Elder King]

@dragonflight288: I agree that Cullen wasn't ready to be Knight captain, and that his views will be different after what happened in Kirkwall.
He shares responsability with Meredith for failing in controlling th templars, though I'm not sure how much power he had in controlling them. Meredith might have given more freedom to her templars.

[dragonflight288]

hhh89 wrote...

@dragonflight288: I agree that Cullen wasn't ready to be Knight captain, and that his views will be different after what happened in Kirkwall.
He shares responsability with Meredith for failing in controlling th templars, though I'm not sure how much power he had in controlling them. Meredith might have given more freedom to her templars.

Meredith may have given them more freedom, but Cullen was their superior, so he did have a responsibility. How we distribute that responsibility between him and Meredith as their superiors, and how much we place upon them for their own culpability may change from gamer to gamer. Some Cullen fans may not be comfortable giving him any blame, and would rather blame the mages or Meredith herself. 

In the end, it doesn't matter, and I'm quite interested in seeing how he develops from here  on out. 

[Maria Caliban]

Amirit wrote...

No, it is not confirmed. But official conformation is all that left considering everything.

I get that you want him to be a companion, but this is the sort of mindset that often leads to lots of unhappiness down the road.

1) It's possible that Cullen might not appear in DA II.
2) It's possible that he'll appear, but not be a companion.
3) It's possible that he'll be a companion and die off in the first fifteen minutes.

BioWare has done all of this previously.

Hope for the best, but don't count on it.

[duckley]

dragonflight288 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@dragonflight288: I agree that Cullen wasn't ready to be Knight captain, and that his views will be different after what happened in Kirkwall.
He shares responsability with Meredith for failing in controlling th templars, though I'm not sure how much power he had in controlling them. Meredith might have given more freedom to her templars.

Meredith may have given them more freedom, but Cullen was their superior, so he did have a responsibility. How we distribute that responsibility between him and Meredith as their superiors, and how much we place upon them for their own culpability may change from gamer to gamer. Some Cullen fans may not be comfortable giving him any blame, and would rather blame the mages or Meredith herself. 

In the end, it doesn't matter, and I'm quite interested in seeing how he develops from here  on out. 

agreed, but dollars to doughnuts the Templars who broke the rules and abused covered their tracks well..

[GDog89]

Cullen is a neutral character to me He can be reasoned with. But then he can get whiny about the whole mages are vile mumbo jumbo. But hey he fits a good dashing knight role.

[KiwiQuiche]

Maria Caliban wrote...

Amirit wrote...

No, it is not confirmed. But official conformation is all that left considering everything.

I get that you want him to be a companion, but this is the sort of mindset that often leads to lots of unhappiness down the road.

1) It's possible that Cullen might not appear in DA II.
2) It's possible that he'll appear, but not be a companion.
3) It's possible that he'll be a companion and die off in the first fifteen minutes.

BioWare has done all of this previously.

Hope for the best, but don't count on it.

The rage would shatter BSN

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 04 février 2014 - 06:32 .

[Jigglypuff]

He is not fan service, he plays an integral role in da2 and I would love to see how he grows in da3,
he is also super cute and broody so that's just a bonus.

haters be gone!

[dragonflight288]

duckley wrote...

dragonflight288 wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@dragonflight288: I agree that Cullen wasn't ready to be Knight captain, and that his views will be different after what happened in Kirkwall.
He shares responsability with Meredith for failing in controlling th templars, though I'm not sure how much power he had in controlling them. Meredith might have given more freedom to her templars.

Meredith may have given them more freedom, but Cullen was their superior, so he did have a responsibility. How we distribute that responsibility between him and Meredith as their superiors, and how much we place upon them for their own culpability may change from gamer to gamer. Some Cullen fans may not be comfortable giving him any blame, and would rather blame the mages or Meredith herself. 

In the end, it doesn't matter, and I'm quite interested in seeing how he develops from here  on out. 

agreed, but dollars to doughnuts the Templars who broke the rules and abused covered their tracks well..

Enough so that a simple walk around the gallows courtyard is enough to gather evidence. Like the Tranquil mage telling her lover she belongs to Alrik now.  Or Kerras commenting on Meredith going over Elthina's head. Or Alain saying how Kerras visits him at night and threatens him with tranquilization if he tells anyone. 

Or course, the note on the Templar Lieutenant we kill when helping Anders with Karl in Act 1 pretty much shows Alrik is covering his tracks so Meredith doesn't hear about it, and he's threatening other templars to cooperate, well, those under his command at least. 

Or at least its implied he's threatening them.

[Lotion Soronarr]

hhh89 wrote...

@Hazegurl: I think that it depends on what you define as extreme. If for an extremist templar you think only about corrupted templars that tranquilize illegally mages, and rapist, yes, Cullen isn't extremist. If you consider a templar extremist based not only by those actions, but by his/her views, Cullen could be classified as extremist, considering his speech in Act 1. His position isn't that different from Fenris, and he isn't moderate..

There was really nothing extreeme about it, he was spot on.

[The Elder King]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

hhh89 wrote...

@Hazegurl: I think that it depends on what you define as extreme. If for an extremist templar you think only about corrupted templars that tranquilize illegally mages, and rapist, yes, Cullen isn't extremist. If you consider a templar extremist based not only by those actions, but by his/her views, Cullen could be classified as extremist, considering his speech in Act 1. His position isn't that different from Fenris, and he isn't moderate..

There was really nothing extreeme about it, he was spot on.

In your opinion. For others, it could be. The matter is entirely subjective and based on a person's view on it.
Saying that mages are subjected to templars by divine right isn't exactly a phrase a moderate templar woudn't say, in my opinion.

[Lotion Soronarr]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I've never understood the whole fan-love for Cullen. I mean, he was a creep in DAO and lot of people seem to forget that in DA2 the reason he has such a high rank is that Meredith approved of his brutal methods and he only got the balls to stand up to her after seven years of her violent reign. What a hero.

What brutal methods?

[Hazegurl]

dragonflight288 wrote...

Hazegurl wrote...

Rassler wrote...
I do like Cullen's looks but that's the only thing I like about him. He can turn up as a good character if written well but like said above he has been quite extreme so far, better than other exteme characters but this only makes him best of worst.

tbh I wouldn't say no to rival themed Cullen romance. It will be like how I romanced Fenris. "Shut the hell up and come over here because I have needs, I still hate your guts btw." But maybe that's just me.

Cullen has earned the right to appear in Inquisition but will it be as companion? We have yet to see, don't we? 

How has he been extreme? In DAO after the tower deal yeah but he was pretty reasonable in DA2. He wasn't torturing or beating or raping any mages like the extreme templars in the game and he defies Meredith. I see no reason why the writers would jump back several years into DAO for Cullen's character when so much has happened.

I'm not saying he'll be loving mage freedom etc but I would hardly call him extreme now.  I hope he would be a companion if he appears...a romancable one.

People who criticize Cullen in DA2 for extremism use a few of his lines like when he says mages cannot be treated as people. They are weapons.

They also hold him up to a standard. As Meredith's second-in-command, he also had authority, and the responsibility, to make sure the templars were doing what templars are supposed to. Hold his subordinates accountable, and Alrik and Kerres are both his subordinates, and his failure to even investigate them while he lives in the same place as their victims is a black mark to many players. And when he's shown evidence of Alrik's illegal tranquilizations, he barely glances at it, and simply says he won't ask how Hawke came by it.

I think Cullen would be an interesting character in Inquisition, as I think he'll develop in a unique way. In Origins he experienced the worst of mages, but in DA2 he witnessed the worst of templars. But I also think he wasn't ready to be Knight-Captain, as his codex pretty much says that he was promoted so quickly because his views matched Meredith's, which is another reason people think of him as extreme. And we know in Origins that he was almost brand new in the order, so he was chosen for promotion over templars who had more experience than him.

Ah, I see your point. DA2 had such an extreme protrayal of the Templars and Mages so when a poster claims Cullen is extreme I can't help but to compare him to the extreme Templars of the bunch. It's like saying Fenyrial is extreme because he doesn't want to be locked up, sure none of the mages do but they all aren't Anders. As for Alrik and Karras and Cullen handling of them. To be fair we don't know the ins and outs of the Templar Order or how well they may have hidden their crimes. He seems to have heard about the tranquil solution as a rumor until it was dismissed. There may have not been much else to worry about from his pov. I doubt alrik was advocating wide scale rape through out the order.  I do agree that he may not have been prepared for the job as Knight Captain. He also didn't seem prepared for how extreme the Order was in Kirkwall as he does express worry about Meredith and the order when you talk to him. But I do like that he steps up in the end.

[Lulupab]

Hazegurl wrote...

Ah, I see your point. DA2 had such an extreme protrayal of the Templars and Mages so when a poster claims Cullen is extreme I can't help but to compare him to the extreme Templars of the bunch. It's like saying Fenyrial is extreme because he doesn't want to be locked up, sure none of the mages do but they all aren't Anders. As for Alrik and Karras and Cullen handling of them. To be fair we don't know the ins and outs of the Templar Order or how well they may have hidden their crimes. He seems to have heard about the tranquil solution as a rumor until it was dismissed. There may have not been much else to worry about from his pov. I doubt alrik was advocating wide scale rape through out the order.  I do agree that he may not have been prepared for the job as Knight Captain. He also didn't seem prepared for how extreme the Order was in Kirkwall as he does express worry about Meredith and the order when you talk to him. But I do like that he steps up in the end.

Well I did say that Cullen is much less extreme but he is kinda extreme nontheless. This is best of worst scenario.

"Mages are not people, they are weapons"
"We have dominace by divine right over the mages"
"Mages can never be our friend"
Cullen somewhat semi-agrees with Alrik's plan.

Now do you honestly think Cullen has any place in pro-mage players game? I'm definitely sure no one wants another Fenris, good looking but an absolute headache. He just needs to be written perfectly if he is going to appear in the game... 

Modifié par Rassler, 04 février 2014 - 08:23 .

[KiwiQuiche]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

I've never understood the whole fan-love for Cullen. I mean, he was a creep in DAO and lot of people seem to forget that in DA2 the reason he has such a high rank is that Meredith approved of his brutal methods and he only got the balls to stand up to her after seven years of her violent reign. What a hero.

What brutal methods?

After Cullen returned to his duties, it became clear that he would go to any lengths to enforce the Chantry's rule. His zeal troubled Knight-Commander Greagoir, who feared it unwise to let Cullen watch over the men and women he deemed responsible for his torment.


Greagoir sent Cullen to serve under Knight-commander Meredith in Kirkwall,
hoping time away would calm him, and Meredith found Cullen's view of
mages similar to her own. Of her company, only Cullen had seen mages'
potentially terrifying power firsthand, and she believed he could
influence the other templars' views. Consequently, Cullen rose quickly
through the ranks to become knight-captain and Meredith's
second-in-command

So Meredith was banking on Cullen's mage hysteria and his violent behaviour to influence other templars since Greagoir figured he was too much of a Chantry nut to watch over mages responsibly.

[The Elder King]

@Rassler: don't assume what pro-mages would want. There are pro-mages that want Cullen as a companion even as he was in DA2. And there are pro-mages who liked Fenris and romanced him.
Beside, I have little doubt that if Cullen is a companion he'll be optional or dismissable, so you'll likely send him away if you he pisses you off.

[Lulupab]

hhh89 wrote...

@Rassler: don't assume what pro-mages would want. There are pro-mages that want Cullen as a companion even as he was in DA2. And there are pro-mages who liked Fenris and romanced him.
Beside, I have little doubt that if Cullen is a companion he'll be optional or dismissable, so you'll likely send him away if you he pisses you off.

That doesn't make him any less of a headache. Also rival romance shouldn't count  Rival romance is pretty much hate sex anyway.

Pfft, why send him away or kill him when I can torment him. I was talking about general pro mage players. Afterall Fenris was more hated than he was liked but generally even though hated people sympathized with Fenris too because duh he was a slave. But Cullen's experience pales in comparison to Fenris's therefore he will annoy the hell out of players who support the mages in their playthroughs. Cullen has allowed one experience cloud his judgement and this is both a dangerous and unstable attitude.

Again I'm not talking about myself here, if he is written well I have no problem with him at all, either as companion or simply a NPC.

Modifié par Rassler, 04 février 2014 - 10:17 .

[Battlebloodmage]

I'm someone who always use a mage as the canon profile and side with both Anders and mages. I don't see Cullen as the extremist people portrayed him to be. He seems more like all barks but no bite. I don't count the event at the circle as something we should hold against him seeing as he was pretty traumatized, the epilogue is nothing but rumors. The event of DA2 is what should be taken as canon. Despite what he said, he never did want to kill innocent mages. You can ask for his opinion near the end of the game, and he said that the annulment shouldn't happen and the templars should take responsibility for the mages' actions, "that's what being a templar is about".



If he's as extreme as people said, he would have agreed with Meredith and killed all mages regardless of whether they're bloodmage or surrendering. He's wary because of what happened in the past. It's PDSD. If someone were bitten by a dog, they may develop an irrational fear, but they don't want to kill all the dogs. I see Cullen as someone who wants to keep the mages safe from others as well as themselves. That's my intepretation, others could see him as a knife wielding maniac who wants to kill every mage he sees. 

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 04 février 2014 - 10:24 .

[Lulupab]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm someone who always use a mage as the canon profile and side with both Anders and mages. I don't see Cullen as the extremist people portrayed him to be. He seems more like all barks but no bite. I don't count the event at the circle as something we should hold against him seeing as he was pretty traumatized, the epilogue is nothing but rumors. The event of DA2 is what should be taken as canon. Despite what he said, he never did want to kill innocent mages. You can ask for his opinion near the end of the game, and he said that the annulment shouldn't happen and the templars should take responsibility for the mages' actions, "that's what being a templar is about".



If he's as extreme as people said, he would have agreed with Meredith and killed all mages regardless of whether they're bloodmage or surrendering. He's wary because of what happened in the past. It's PDSD. If someone were bitten by a dog, they may develop an irrational fear, but they don't want to kill all the dogs.  

This is kinda what I'm saying. He is barking extreme things but has done nothing extreme. He will be annoying if he continues to bark but as long as its just that no one should really have any problem wth him. I am pro anders and mage too and I'm not holding much grudge against him. If anything he was one of the vew few good Templars of Kirkwall. He actually listens to reason. You can persuade him to go easy on mages a few times. The fact that he listens and can be persuaded counts.

[Hazegurl]

Rassler wrote...

Cullen somewhat semi-agrees with Alrik's plan.

Now do you honestly think Cullen has any place in pro-mage players game? I'm definitely sure no one wants another Fenris, good looking but an absolute headache. He just needs to be written perfectly if he is going to appear in the game... 

Cullen does not semi agree with Alrik's plan.  He doesn't agree with it at all. However, he is in favor of the Tranquil ritual. Big difference.

If a pro mage player want to only be surrounded by "yes men" all the time then I would say that he doesn't belong on their game. All the characters need to be written perfectly if they are to appear in the game. But I would hardly consider some wet noodle character with zero conviction a perfectly written character. Besides some pro mage players love them some rivalmancing.