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[robertthebard]

Considering you have spent the last few pages replying defensively about something you claim not to care about I am somewhat doubtful you would be so stoic about someone actually insulting you.

I'm curious about the rationale behind extending the life of a thread that is found insulting, by the people that find it insulting. Instead of just letting it go and letting it die, people are consistently here rallying to the defense of a character that doesn't need defending since, if he's in, he's in, and nothing posted here will change that. It's fascinating, to me.

[AkiKishi]

As anyone come up with a reason for why Cullen is not a fan service character yet? Or is it just fan service is ok still ?

[Eveangaline]

I'm curious about the rationale behind extending the life of a thread that is found insulting, by the people that find it insulting. Instead of just letting it go and letting it die, people are consistently here rallying to the defense of a character that doesn't need defending since, if he's in, he's in, and nothing posted here will change that. It's fascinating, to me.

Except most people aren't defending the character they're telling off people who insult the fans along with the character.

Are you seriously surprised that when someone insults someone, the other person might go "wow you're a dick"? I don't care about cullen or feel the need to defend him, I just think people who whine like brats that bioware is caving in to fan pressure because he exists in the game are being obnoxious. And I see no reason not to call them obnoxious.

 

 

As anyone come up with a reason for why Cullen is not a fan service character yet? Or is it just fan service is ok still ?

Have you considered reading the thread? Because if you need someone to spoonfeed and find the specific links to things said within the last three pages I think actually reading them will still be something you refuse to do.

[Battlebloodmage]

As anyone come up with a reason for why Cullen is not a fan service character yet? Or is it just fan service is ok still ?

How about this? Cullen fans are not as numerous as people think. They're just a small group of online fans compared to the actual purchasing audience. Those who buy the game would buy the game regardless of whether he's in or not. They're fans of Dragon Age above all else and wouldn't buy the game for Cullen if the game itself sucks. 

[robertthebard]

Except most people aren't defending the character they're telling off people who insult the fans along with the character.
Are you seriously surprised that when someone insults someone, the other person might go "wow you're a dick"?

So why post, and subject themselves to grief if all they're doing is being insulting? I have kept my comments about Cullen to what I think about Cullen, and yet, here we are, in this exchange, as if I'd said something about you, or any of the other posters here. I did, at one point, point out that someone was grasping by bringing Leliana in as fanservice, and pointed out the multitude of "why is she back" threads as a counterpoint, but that was going after a point raised, and not a specific poster, per se.

[Eveangaline]

So why post, and subject themselves to grief if all they're doing is being insulting? I have kept my comments about Cullen to what I think about Cullen, and yet, here we are, in this exchange, as if I'd said something about you, or any of the other posters here. I did, at one point, point out that someone was grasping by bringing Leliana in as fanservice, and pointed out the multitude of "why is she back" threads as a counterpoint, but that was going after a point raised, and not a specific poster, per se.

 

Why people respond in general? Well if you can't really understand why people would say 'you're a dick' when people outright insult them I don't really know how to make you understand. That's kind of a thing that most people generally don't need explained. As for why people are replying to you specifically, most people seem to be replying to you because you keep asking the same thing even after it's explained to you multiple times, even when they use the most basic descriptions and examples. I mean people told you over and over the problem with these threads isn't that people dislike cullen, but for some reason you keep reverting back to that like every third post? This is kind of like talking to an auto-responder so I guess I'm out. Brick wall vs head ends in a win for brick wall. See ya.

[SamaraDraven]

Why does it matter what other people think about what you like or dislike? True story: I was inside the jugs of a Harley Davidson M/C before I ever popped my first car hood, I'm an ASE Certified automotive tech. When I bought my first M/C, it was a Honda Goldwing. Literally all of my biker friends hung crap on me and my bike every time I saw them, which was all the time. But it didn't bother me, because when I got on the bike and put my face in the wind, that's all that mattered, well, that and I wasn't 2 inches shorter when I got to where I was going, unlike when I rode my boss' Sportster 45 miles back from a Toy Run.

Seriously, I don't care one wit about Cullen, as I said, he was generic Templar #6 to me. I don't care if he's in, or not in, or what role he fills if the story fits. If the story doesn't fit? I still may or may not care, it's not that big a deal. However, extending the life of a thread you find distasteful, apparently, boggles my mind. If it were me, I'd have either never replied to it, or done a one off reply of "I don't think he is" and split, never to return. Instead we have all these off topic ramblings about unrelated characters to justify a position that doesn't need to be justified to everyone else, unless you feel like you have to justify it for some reason? I mean, come on, this is the BSN, British actors can be called down for having a British accent, and, of course, so can Leliana's VA be called down for her French accent, despite being French. Is it really that important what some of these people here think?

It's not the same thing when you can get away from the crap you get for your bike. I couldn't care less what people think of Cullen but I do care about being able to interact on these boards the same as everyone else. When romance discussion threads pop up or companion topics are started that ask who you want to see again and what did you like about DA2 and participation is fine until someone mentions Cullen. Then it's "oh god I'm sick of hearing about him!" I shouldn't have to check my honest input because someone else can't be mature about the mention of something they don't care for. Then he was announced as being in DAI and the threads that bash fans started up anew. They're thinly veiled as "what's the big deal with Cullen?" and when fans DO offer opinions, it's rare a real debate takes place. It usually devolves into simple character hating - which is NOT what the stated purpose of the thread is. And then it sinks to the point of bashing the fans as well until it gets closed. The fans aren't starting these. We stick to our little corner and chatter amongst ourselves yet threads like these continue pop up. You feel attacked for not caring for him? Because fans defend their right to like something? It's hard to feel like you can enjoy the rest of the boards when it's possible your input might start a flame war, just for daring to participate in a discussion and when such input starts a pages long debate in which everything you say is disputed as if they think they can change your mind rather than accept you like him for whatever reason and move on - "oh you can't like Cullen! He's a Templar! Templars bad!" and when we don't "reform" it's "Oh you vapid fangirls". I for one will not accept fan abuse. I can like what I like and I owe no one an explanation for it and I don't deserve verbal abuse for it either. I don't demand Cullen haters justify why they hate him. I accept that they don't like him. If they want to discuss his character, I'm down for that. You don't see Cullen fans out there calling people who insist on asking "what's the deal" so often, stupid for not understanding our reasons. If you're not bashing the fans, you are not my problem but the Cullen fans don't go in "with claws bared" ready to defend Cullen in hater threads. We go into a discussion topic and offer input and get bashed eventually. So we're supposed to just stay away in case someone chooses to be a d!ck? We just quietly leave when the fan bashing starts? If our objection to that makes you feel attacked, you are the one projecting and it's not a problem I can help you with.

[Panda]

As anyone come up with a reason for why Cullen is not a fan service character yet? Or is it just fan service is ok still ?

 

I have one. Mage vs templar war and red lyrium templars are big part of DAI and because of that writers could want to have templar in the team of Inquisitor. Cullen has seen mage rebellion, he has seen the one who started it all: Anders, he has seen Thedas probaply first red templar, he's second in command of templar force who is chantry's army. After templar and seekers rebellion I doubt there is much of Chantry loyal templars, I'd imagine Cullen stays loyal to Chantry so he's valuable because of that too but I have to wait for more info to be sure where he stands. Cullen also knews Hawke who is now missing and if Hawke sided with mages he was the one who let her/him go. I'd imagine Cullen has lot of knowledge to be in the Inquisition. Also he was ready character and concept to use for bioware as well, making new character would have been more work. Only other already existing templar character BW could have used in the position is Evangeline which would have been okay as well but she knews what Cole from Asunder which might do some story-telling problems and she probaply doesn't want to leave Rhys which would explain why she isn't there and why Cullen is.

[acicm2]

cause old women love a man who cant get out of a barrier.

[The Elder King]

As anyone come up with a reason for why Cullen is not a fan service character yet? Or is it just fan service is ok still ?

He's a character that saw personally the worst side of both mages (being the only Survivor or Uldred's torture, and what happened in the Circle) and templars (being the second in command of Meredith).

[The Elder King]

cause old women love a man who cant get out of a barrier.

I'm a 24-year old man who isn't interested at all in men .

[robertthebard]

It's not the same thing when you can get away from the crap you get for your bike. I couldn't care less what people think of Cullen but I do care about being able to interact on these boards the same as everyone else. When romance discussion threads pop up or companion topics are started that ask who you want to see again and what did you like about DA2 and participation is fine until someone mentions Cullen. Then it's "oh god I'm sick of hearing about him!" I shouldn't have to check my honest input because someone else can't be mature about the mention of something they don't care for. Then he was announced as being in DAI and the threads that bash fans started up anew. They're thinly veiled as "what's the big deal with Cullen?" and when fans DO offer opinions, it's rare a real debate takes place. It usually devolves into simple character hating - which is NOT what the stated purpose of the thread is. And then it sinks to the point of bashing the fans as well until it gets closed. The fans aren't starting these. We stick to our little corner and chatter amongst ourselves yet threads like these continue pop up. You feel attacked for not caring for him? Because fans defend their right to like something? It's hard to feel like you can enjoy the rest of the boards when it's possible your input might start a flame war, just for daring to participate in a discussion and when such input starts a pages long debate in which everything you say is disputed as if they think they can change your mind rather than accept you like him for whatever reason and move on - "oh you can't like Cullen! He's a Templar! Templars bad!" and when we don't "reform" it's "Oh you vapid fangirls". I for one will not accept fan abuse. I can like what I like and I owe no one an explanation for it and I don't deserve verbal abuse for it either. I don't demand Cullen haters justify why they hate him. I accept that they don't like him. If they want to discuss his character, I'm down for that. You don't see Cullen fans out there calling people who insist on asking "what's the deal" so often, stupid for not understanding our reasons. If you're not bashing the fans, you are not my problem but the Cullen fans don't go in "with claws bared" ready to defend Cullen in hater threads. We go into a discussion topic and offer input and get bashed eventually. So we're supposed to just stay away in case someone chooses to be a d!ck? We just quietly leave when the fan bashing starts? If our objection to that makes you feel attacked, you are the one projecting and it's not a problem I can help you with.

Except that I'm not in "your little corner", and I'm being accused of being a brick wall because instead of biting to the bait, I do ask "what difference does it make". It makes it really hard to take some people seriously when they can't engage in conversation about something w/out resorting to "what, you can't understand why I'm calling you a dick?".

Considering the topic title, wouldn't this be considered a "hater" thread? I mean, seriously, it's kind of flame baity as presented. As we can see by the post immediately above this one, some Cullen fans are out with claws bared, ready to rip dissenters to shreds for having the nerve to disagree about Cullen, and for being puzzled about why they would even post in a thread that they find offensive. I mean seriously, I'm a dick for attempting to wrap my head around why someone would open themselves up for this kind of "abuse" and then rail against the "abuse"? I don't see, I don't get it and I guess I never will, because when called on it, it's all "but it's their fault for starting the threads, otherwise we stay in our little corner".

[Cyrax86]

We have no idea if Merrill, Zevran, Oghren, Isabela, or any others are coming back.  Leliana is back for her third game.

I wasn't the one that brought them up, and until we know if there in the game or not we shouldn't talk like they are or aren't. I've explained this so many times already in this thread (about Lelianna), but here we go again, Pre-DAO Lelianna was a spy in Orlais, DAO helped GW defeat blight (my playthrough), sometime during DA2 or after DAO Lelianna becomes the right hand of the Divine, in DA2 she's already assisting the Divine and at the end she is aiding Cass. and seeing how in DAI we will be going to Orlais during a mage templar war, i think the Divine might get involved in that as well. Lelianna's story/character arc has become important, yet some it remains unknown and unresolved. While cullen wasn't important in DAO, was a minor NPC in DA2, and in DAI we still don't know if he will be important or not. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So if Cullen somehow became plot important between DA2 and DAI, and explained why and how in DAI, would that satisfy everyone? 

[Panda]

So if Cullen somehow became plot important between DA2 and DAI, and explained why and how in DAI, would that satisfy everyone? 

 

I doubt it, there is some who just hate him for being templar or his personality. It's okay but I doubt everyone could ever be satisfied.. however I think some of complaining over him being in game would stop from those who have more moderate view of him.

[Cyrax86]

I have one. Mage vs templar war and red lyrium templars are big part of DAI and because of that writers could want to have templar in the team of Inquisitor. Cullen has seen mage rebellion, he has seen the one who started it all: Anders, he has seen Thedas probaply first red templar, he's second in command of templar force who is chantry's army. After templar and seekers rebellion I doubt there is much of Chantry loyal templars, I'd imagine Cullen stays loyal to Chantry so he's valuable because of that too but I have to wait for more info to be sure where he stands. Cullen also knews Hawke who is now missing and if Hawke sided with mages he was the one who let her/him go. I'd imagine Cullen has lot of knowledge to be in the Inquisition. Also he was ready character and concept to use for bioware as well, making new character would have been more work. Only other already existing templar character BW could have used in the position is Evangeline which would have been okay as well but she knews what Cole from Asunder which might do some story-telling problems and she probaply doesn't want to leave Rhys which would explain why she isn't there and why Cullen is.

Thanks for actually giving an answer, still don't feel like cullen is the best candidate, but this answer is acceptable 

 

 

  @Sasha 

 

Yes, this (post #689) .

[Hanako Ikezawa]

In that case, the complaints about him being there solely for fanservice should wait until after the game comes out, yes? 

[Cyrax86]

In that case, the complaints about him being there solely for fanservice should wait until after the game comes out, yes? 

Yes, said this earlier. *salutes*

[Zerc]

Except that I'm getting worked up at the outright demands of people in this thread that Bioware "sure as hell need to pull some good character development out their ass for DA:I" because a character who was already involved in essential plot lines as a military based NPC in both of the other games is rumored to be a military advisor for the third game. 

 

I'm not even a Cullen fan, per se.  He's fine.  I don't love him or hate him.  Would he be my pick for the rumored military advisor role?  Probably not.  However, the Cullen hatred is ridiculous to me because:  1.)  it's a game with fictional characters so they can write in whatever justification they want; and 2.) if he's such an unimportant character, then just ignore him. 

 

What is the point of another anti-Cullen post in another anti-Cullen thread?  Is it going to change DA: I?  No.  So let's wait to see what his role actually is and how it's implemented before we get all worked up about his speculated involvement.  That's my point. 

This is scuttlebutt in case you hadn't noticed. This whole section of the forum is dedicated to rumors and speculation, so you shouldn't be bothered by these so called "demands". These are "what ifs" and if he's going to be a advisor, then yes he's going to need some serious character development.

 

Also, "What is the point of another anti-Cullen post in another anti-Cullen thread? ". That's a question for the OP not me.

[SamaraDraven]

Except that I'm not in "your little corner", and I'm being accused of being a brick wall because instead of biting to the bait, I do ask "what difference does it make". It makes it really hard to take some people seriously when they can't engage in conversation about something w/out resorting to "what, you can't understand why I'm calling you a dick?".

Considering the topic title, wouldn't this be considered a "hater" thread? I mean, seriously, it's kind of flame baity as presented. As we can see by the post immediately above this one, some Cullen fans are out with claws bared, ready to rip dissenters to shreds for having the nerve to disagree about Cullen, and for being puzzled about why they would even post in a thread that they find offensive. I mean seriously, I'm a dick for attempting to wrap my head around why someone would open themselves up for this kind of "abuse" and then rail against the "abuse"? I don't see, I don't get it and I guess I never will, because when called on it, it's all "but it's their fault for starting the threads, otherwise we stay in our little corner".

 

I haven't accused you of anything. You don't like Cullen fine. If you're not flaming the fans, fine. You did say you feel attacked by fans which I find odd because all I see are fans who are responding to you saying you don't like him in the manner of discussion you seemed to be offering with your input. Or were you expecting to just speak and get no replies? The claws have only come out in response to those who ARE flaming the fans. It's odd to me that their response to being insulted is something you feel applies to you just because you don't like Cullen. It's not the not-liking-Cullen that brings out the "claws". Again I say, if you don't like Cullen, I have no problem with you. If you're not bashing the fans; I have no problem with you. I don't know of a Cullen fan who would. After my initial reply to the topic - which was all about Cullen and why I think some people see him as fanservice, btw - I responded to you about feeling attacked simply for not liking Cullen when I don't see it. I don't see gross generalizations about you being tossed your way and I find it tacky that you'd manifest indignation for a defense that's not aimed at you. Because if you're not fan bashing then the defense isn't in response to you. It never was.

 

Many of these threads could be flame bait - they certainly seem to be. But many of the OPs making them insist they really want answers. And most of us fans, being helpful folks and glad to engage in character discussion, offer up some perspectives. Ideally that's what the board is for. No one is "opening themselves up for abuse". They just want to participate in a good discussion. For my part, I truly hope they are sincere and happily engage them as long as it's respectful. Inevitably that changes and the derogatory remarks begin. So I should just not participate at all then? Stay away so the little trolls won't have to see my unsightly "Cullenitis"? Because they can't have some respect for others of a differing opinion, I should stay away from a post that swears it genuinely wants a constructive answer? I shouldn't offer a constructive answer? And if I do and a troll comes along and says some flamey sh!T, I should just quietly accept that and disappear because I "was asking for it"? Is that it?

 

It's not my fault, or any Cullen fans' fault, that the threads deteriorate like they do. They deteriorate when the fanbashing starts. "Just don't go there" is a p!ss-poor logic. Based on your "advice" I had just better not visit the Bioware Forums at all. And then I'd be letting them affect my life. Frrraaaaag that!

 

So, to recap: If you don't like Cullen - I don't care! More power to ya!   If you aren't bashing the fans who do like Cullen - Great!   I have no problem with you. My ONLY point to you was about how distorted I find YOU feeling you're being attacked by the fans' defense of themselves from OTHER trolls (not you) because defending yourself from Cullen haters that call you names is NOT simply a difference of opinion (like what you were experiencing with others) and how utterly unhelpful "don't go there" is as far pieces of advice go. There are many fans who do exactly that and I find it unfair they don't feel welcome to enjoy the whole site lest they stumble upon a bridge dweller. None of us are wanting to be abused, because we're here to have fun too, but I damn well will call it out when it happens.

[9TailsFox]

So if Cullen somehow became plot important between DA2 and DAI, and explained why and how in DAI, would that satisfy everyone? 

Of course not. It doesn't matter how important he is people like me just don't like him, so he just takes new interesting companion place. I don't have problem Cullen being in game, I just don't want him to be in DA:I, Except of course if he is red templar and enemy.

[dutch_gamer]

Of course not. It doesn't matter how important he is people like me just don't like him, so he just takes new interesting companion place. I don't have problem Cullen being in game, I just don't want him to be in DA:I, Except of course if he is red templar and enemy.

I am no real fan of Cullen either but Cullen is not taking up the place of a new interesting companion considering he is not going to be a companion.

 

I also don't dislike Cullen that much I want to kill him. I just don't see the logic behind it. However, I do appreciate the ability to simply discard any named character within the Inquisition. I kind of doubt we will be given that control but it is still something I wished would happen considering the PC is supposedly the leader of the organization and should have the ultimate decision who he wants to work with. I feel that with companions I pretty much already have the choice to simply keep the companion I don't like that much at home base but I fear that I can't truly ignore advisors. If Cullen is the military advisor and I want to focus on this particular field more I probably have to listen to him no matter how I feel about his expertise.

[Pateu]

Because of his somewhat puzzling popularity among the fans one would assume that his re-appearance in DAI would be mostly to appease this audience. Have no idea what reason he would have to appear in DAI otherwise?

 

He's the only sane Templar in Kirkwall and the game is set during a Mage vs Templar war.

 

Maybe he represents the Templars when dealing with the Inquisitor.

 

Maybe Cassandra persuaded him to join.

 

Wait and find out.

[9TailsFox]

I am no real fan of Cullen either but Cullen is not taking up the place of a new interesting companion considering he is not going to be a companion.

 

I also don't dislike Cullen that much I want to kill him. I just don't see the logic behind it. However, I do appreciate the ability to simply discard any named character within the Inquisition. I kind of doubt we will be given that control but it is still something I wished would happen considering the PC is supposedly the leader of the organization and should have the ultimate decision who he wants to work with. I feel that with companions I pretty much already have the choice to simply keep the companion I don't like that much at home base but I fear that I can't truly ignore advisors. If Cullen is the military advisor and I want to focus on this particular field more I probably have to listen to him no matter how I feel about his expertise.

It would be nice to just say How about no. Even Isabela the most important part of Qunari plot can be just not recruited. But you can't refuse Anders only in late game it's not problem for me he is my sarcastic Hawke best buddy. But I understand some people don't like him passionately.

[robertthebard]

So if Cullen somehow became plot important between DA2 and DAI, and explained why and how in DAI, would that satisfy everyone?

I commented on this earlier. When I said "I'll wait and see how it's handled".