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Shadow of Light Dragon wrote...

Cullen had a small part in DA:O and lots of players (probably mostly those who played female mages) went squee over him when he blushed at their flirting.


Oh, yeah, that must have registered at least 9.2 on the squeedometer...

I can't help it, use of the word "squee" always cracks me up. Kinda like "Piggly Wiggly." I mean what's up with that? Image IPB

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Prior to his inclusion in DA2, I had no feelings about him

Cullen: "Mage Warden, I have a crush on you."

Me: "Uh, that's nice. I am not really into Templars, but thanks for that."

Then he's understandably freaking out during the Broken Circle.

Cullen: "The blood mages used your image to taunt me."

Me: "Okay, we'll get you out of here.  Just need to deal with some blood mages.  Wait, who were you again?"

In DA2, he didn't stand out all that much. He was one of the few sane Templars left, sure...when it had already been made pretty clear that Meredith had been off her rocker for sometime now. I can see why he's going to be in the next game, but I can't understand the love.

I do know that someone at BioWare has to have a type for blonde haired, gold and/or hazel eyed men. Zevran, Alistair, (so both male LIs for Origins. Damn.) and Anders....that's why I would be sadly not too surprised if Cullen was a LI.  If Cullen is going to be a companion at all.  That isn't confirmed, but I do think it looks pretty likely. He's got the looks and the archetype personality.

I don't want to see him as a LI, at all. Nothing against the fans, and those that want to try to romance him in next game. I think he's got some good reasons to be there other than he's "cute."   I liked Alistair but Cullen was just...there.

So, he's fan service because some posters find him cute? Please tell me I'm not the only one that finds him rather bland? Or would rather see him in for story reasons vs a potential love interest?

Modifié par Starsyn, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:28 .


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I like Cullen, his character's been developing over two games now and I'd like to see where he goes.

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Please tell me I'm not the only one that finds him rather bland? Or would rather see him in for story reasons vs a potential love interest?

No, aside from his PTSD-induced "Rah rah! Mages bad!" thing, I also found him extraordinarily bland.

Edit: In DA2, he had refined his "Rah rah! Mages bad!" thing into "Mages are dangerous tools," but the verdict remains the same.

Modifié par Thomas Andresen, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:46 .


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Thomas Andresen wrote...

Please tell me I'm not the only one that finds him rather bland? Or would rather see him in for story reasons vs a potential love interest?

No, aside from his PTSD-induced "Rah rah! Mages bad!" thing, I also found him extraordinarily bland.


But he has so much to give!
:(

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eluvianix wrote..

But he has so much to give!
:(


He'll give you his Sword of Mercy.  

Interpret it how you want. B)

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But he has so much to give!

I'd be inclined to disagree, but that's probably more about taste.

All I ever see in him is the PTSD. Which I have quite enough of dealing with in real life.

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Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote..

But he has so much to give!
:(


He'll give you his Sword of Mercy.  

Interpret it how you want. B)

Oh trust me, I will.
:wub:

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eluvianix wrote...

To be honest, Cullen was at two of the biggest magical fiascos of the century, both of which were Annulment scenarios. He has seen both a liberal regime in Ferelden, and an extremely conservative one in Kirkwall. Plus, he was there when the events in the Gallows came to a head. Short of a DA2 companion like Varric, he has just as much insight into the conflict as anyone else. Yes, he is physically attractive. So what? Cullen has a niche in the story no one else can really lay claim to.

Bold.

How is he physically attractive? His head in comparison to other characters, even those like Alistair and Carroll who look very similar? Or in comparison to every other male human body, with or without templar armour on, despite the fact that they are exactly the same, minus skin colour?

If it's his head, then why isn't Carroll popular? You could easily mistake them for each other, had one of them not reappear in the sequel, and a noteworthy part in both. If it's the body, then you know...

I have a question for Cullen fanboys and girls: what is it you like about Cullen, and can you even explain what his personality is, without bias? I can explain the latter part, myself. He's a nice person who doesn't judge others blindingly, inspite of evidence against their opinions, is affected by past events, and has few if any other noteworthy personal traits. He is thus, no different than most general people in real life, and a fair amount of people in the Dragon Age universe.

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Thomas Andresen wrote...

But he has so much to give!

I'd be inclined to disagree, but that's probably more about taste.

All I ever see in him is the PTSD. Which I have quite enough of dealing with in real life.


He seems to have tempered in his time at Kirkwall.

Modifié par eluvianix, 29 janvier 2014 - 05:01 .


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I like Cullen not for a LI but because he's got a perspective on the Mage/Templar mess even though he wanted to annihilate the mages in the circle tower after Uldred's fiasco but who could blame him after what he saw. I wouldn't mind having Cullen on my team.

I would also love to see Master Wade and Herren again these two crack me up.

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Orian Tabris wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

To be honest, Cullen was at two of the biggest magical fiascos of the century, both of which were Annulment scenarios. He has seen both a liberal regime in Ferelden, and an extremely conservative one in Kirkwall. Plus, he was there when the events in the Gallows came to a head. Short of a DA2 companion like Varric, he has just as much insight into the conflict as anyone else. Yes, he is physically attractive. So what? Cullen has a niche in the story no one else can really lay claim to.

Bold.

How is he physically attractive? His head in comparison to other characters, even those like Alistair and Carroll who look very similar? Or in comparison to every other male human body, with or without templar armour on, despite the fact that they are exactly the same, minus skin colour?

If it's his head, then why isn't Carroll popular? You could easily mistake them for each other, had one of them not reappear in the sequel, and a noteworthy part in both. If it's the body, then you know...

I have a question for Cullen fanboys and girls: what is it you like about Cullen, and can you even explain what his personality is, without bias? I can explain the latter part, myself. He's a nice person who doesn't judge others blindingly, inspite of evidence against their opinions, is affected by past events, and has few if any other noteworthy personal traits. He is thus, no different than most general people in real life, and a fair amount of people in the Dragon Age universe.


I find it hard to take you seriously. You obviously like Merrill enough to have her name plastered all over you sig in all caps, and yet you question why some people would like Cullen.

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Orian Tabris wrote...

Bold.

How is he physically attractive? His head in comparison to other characters, even those like Alistair and Carroll who look very similar? Or in comparison to every other male human body, with or without templar armour on, despite the fact that they are exactly the same, minus skin colour?

If it's his head, then why isn't Carroll popular? You could easily mistake them for each other, had one of them not reappear in the sequel, and a noteworthy part in both. If it's the body, then you know...

I have a question for Cullen fanboys and girls: what is it you like about Cullen, and can you even explain what his personality is, without bias? I can explain the latter part, myself. He's a nice person who doesn't judge others blindingly, inspite of evidence against their opinions, is affected by past events, and has few if any other noteworthy personal traits. He is thus, no different than most general people in real life, and a fair amount of people in the Dragon Age universe.

I'm really not gonna describe what I consider physically attractive in a guy. As for what I find compelling intellectually, I want to see his character development, since he has been at the two biggest magical events in the past decade, the Annulment situation at Kinloch Hold and in the Gallows. He was at the heart of this conflict when it began.
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sandalisthemaker wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

eluvianix wrote...

To be honest, Cullen was at two of the biggest magical fiascos of the century, both of which were Annulment scenarios. He has seen both a liberal regime in Ferelden, and an extremely conservative one in Kirkwall. Plus, he was there when the events in the Gallows came to a head. Short of a DA2 companion like Varric, he has just as much insight into the conflict as anyone else. Yes, he is physically attractive. So what? Cullen has a niche in the story no one else can really lay claim to.

Bold.

How is he physically attractive? His head in comparison to other characters, even those like Alistair and Carroll who look very similar? Or in comparison to every other male human body, with or without templar armour on, despite the fact that they are exactly the same, minus skin colour?

If it's his head, then why isn't Carroll popular? You could easily mistake them for each other, had one of them not reappear in the sequel, and a noteworthy part in both. If it's the body, then you know...

I have a question for Cullen fanboys and girls: what is it you like about Cullen, and can you even explain what his personality is, without bias? I can explain the latter part, myself. He's a nice person who doesn't judge others blindingly, inspite of evidence against their opinions, is affected by past events, and has few if any other noteworthy personal traits. He is thus, no different than most general people in real life, and a fair amount of people in the Dragon Age universe.


I find it hard to take you seriously. You obviously like Merrill enough to have her name plastered all over you sig in all caps, and yet you question why some people would like Cullen.

Honestly, I like Merrill because she's cute, naive and I have a thing for elven girls. Oh, and I was the very first non-BioWare staff member/family/friend to know that Merrill had been confirmed as a companion (by Chris Priestly). However, I never make threads about her, and I only ever defend her or talk about her in threads about her. I never preach about how good (I think) she is.

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Orian Tabris wrote...

Honestly, I like Merrill because she's cute, naive and I have a thing for elven girls. Oh, and I was the very first non-BioWare staff member/family/friend to know that Merrill had been confirmed as a companion (by Chris Priestly). However, I never make threads about her, and I only ever defend her or talk about her in threads about her. I never preach about how good (I think) she is.


My point is, and really this is just a general throwing-it-out-there for all the "Why the hell is Cullen popular?" threads-  you like Merrill. Some people like Cullen. There's really no need to question why. People like things. 

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eluvianix wrote...

Veruin wrote...

eluvianix wrote..

But he has so much to give!
:(


He'll give you his Sword of Mercy.  

Interpret it how you want. B)

Oh trust me, I will.
:wub:

He's going to stab you and end your pathetic mage life. 

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He doesnt really make any sense being in Orlais and the fact that he may be a companion with a bunch of fan girls behind him helps.

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Orian Tabris wrote...


I have a question for Cullen fanboys and girls: what is it you like about Cullen, and can you even explain what his personality is, without bias?

I don't think it's possible to explain why you like someone or something without bias.

Preferences are subjective and irrational.

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I know people like or dislike things.  However, I was wondering about that term I kept hearing about him.  I'm not ripping on the character, the fans or any of that.  I am trying to learn about why the community feels so strongly for this guy.   Especially the hate.  I don't understand how someone can "hate" a bunch of pixels. 

It's fine to be curious and ask, as long as it's civil.  Is that what the forums are for?

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eluvianix wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Bold.

How is he physically attractive? His head in comparison to other characters, even those like Alistair and Carroll who look very similar? Or in comparison to every other male human body, with or without templar armour on, despite the fact that they are exactly the same, minus skin colour?

If it's his head, then why isn't Carroll popular? You could easily mistake them for each other, had one of them not reappear in the sequel, and a noteworthy part in both. If it's the body, then you know...

I have a question for Cullen fanboys and girls: what is it you like about Cullen, and can you even explain what his personality is, without bias? I can explain the latter part, myself. He's a nice person who doesn't judge others blindingly, inspite of evidence against their opinions, is affected by past events, and has few if any other noteworthy personal traits. He is thus, no different than most general people in real life, and a fair amount of people in the Dragon Age universe.

I'm really not gonna describe what I consider physically attractive in a guy. As for what I find compelling intellectually, I want to see his character development, since he has been at the two biggest magical events in the past decade, the Annulment situation at Kinloch Hold and in the Gallows. He was at the heart of this conflict when it began.

The heart of the conflict was Hawke, Meredith, Anders and Orsino (well, maybe not Hawke). Cullen was really just an observer who was faced with the culmination of the conflict. Much like say, one of the companions.

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Starsyn wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

I'm just wondering why there has to be a thread to be made about Cullen almost every month.


I've been here for months.  I haven't seen one yet.  I read these forums daily too and have been since about November.

Starsyn wrote...

"Cullen is just fan service," is the cry I keep hearing.


I like how you simultaneously haven't seen any Cullen threads but apparently have seen tons of discussion about Cullen.

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sandalisthemaker wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

Honestly, I like Merrill because she's cute, naive and I have a thing for elven girls. Oh, and I was the very first non-BioWare staff member/family/friend to know that Merrill had been confirmed as a companion (by Chris Priestly). However, I never make threads about her, and I only ever defend her or talk about her in threads about her. I never preach about how good (I think) she is.


My point is, and really this is just a general throwing-it-out-there for all the "Why the hell is Cullen popular?" threads-  you like Merrill. Some people like Cullen. There's really no need to question why. People like things. 


Indeed we do. :wizard:

While I thought Cullen was mildly engaging with his small part in DAO, it wasn't until DA2 when I felt like his character had obviously experienced significant growth that I became truly interested in him. If the writers choose to include him in some way in DAI, I would love to see where they take his character after everything that happened in Kirkwall. I think his perspective could really add something special for the Inquisitor. Greg Ellis is a wonderful voice actor, and I would love to hear him voice Cullen one more time.

Just my opinion as a much maligned "fangirl". ;)

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How is he physically attractive? His head in comparison to other characters, even those like Alistair and Carroll who look very similar? Or in comparison to every other male human body, with or without templar armour on, despite the fact that they are exactly the same, minus skin colour?

His face is, in my opinion, incredibly generic. That is to say, average. As it turns out, however, "average" actually is attractive. As shown in this video(alternatively, skip ahead to 40:40 for the actual pictures, but for full context, watch from where linked, but watch until 41:40 regardless).

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@Maria  Why the flames?  I'm not making that up and I have no reason to.  

I see it all over any LI thread on BSN, and I run into it all the time on Tumblr. I hadn't seen a thread just for Cullen at all on the BSN. Unless there is threads that come and go that fast when I sleep.  If there was any Cullen thread active I would have just posted in there.  However, I'm not lying when I say I have not seen a single one since I went full time on the forums.

I have heard fans talk about him quite a bit, as well as detractors. I wanted to see where both sides where coming from.  

Edit: Totally off topic, I like your Ask A Game Dev stuff.  You helped put FFXIII into perspective for me, which made me feel a little better about buying it.

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Maria Caliban wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...


I have a question for Cullen fanboys and girls: what is it you like about Cullen, and can you even explain what his personality is, without bias?

I don't think it's possible to explain why you like someone or something without bias.

Preferences are subjective and irrational.

Sorry, I meant explain what his personality is, without bias. Not what it is they like about him, without bias.