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[Silfren]

Orian Tabris wrote...

I don't know about you, but I've had enough of these theads about the same character/s that have been discussed in so many other threads.

If that were actually true, you would stay out of those threads.  Because that's what people do who are not interested in threads they don't like: they ignore them for threads that they ARE interested in.  It affects you not at all that any of those threads exist.  You clearly haven't had enough of those threads, since you're quite happy to come into them and read and post.

You're clearly just a troll.  This and other threads you post in make that painfully obvious.

Modifié par Silfren, 30 janvier 2014 - 05:23 .

[Battlebloodmage]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

BTW, can someone explain to me why it is okay for people to squee over Morrigan, Lelianna, and even Bethany, but not okay for people to squee over Alistair or Cullen?

Hmm?

Why i should care to who peoples who squee my only problem is that cullen is fanservice why all characters you pointed morrigan have pretty much had big role incoming since end of dao and even more pointed in witch hunt , leliana well apparently they had role for her as well (in which i don't belive) but they want make her second andraste or something like that probably.Alistair on other hand was big fanserivice in da 2 i can spare grey warden ali for that but king or even alistair drunk served this purpose. Cullen was fanservice as well he was most likely in da because of his fangirls/boys it was minor character i would say flat character in dao (well much wasn't changed:devil:) and pretty much as you said his reason was to fanboys/girls would squee.

Gosh i hope that sebastian and fenris won't be fanservice in dai      

Well, you don't know what role Cullen will play in the next game, so you can't say it's not important. David Gaider stated that he wouldn't include anyone in the game just because the fans are asking for it. If he's in the game, it's because he could potentially impact the game just like with Lelianna and Morrigan. Leliana's cameo in DA2 was pretty much a fan service since it doesn't advance the story. The same way with Zevran and Alistair. I'm not sure where the notion that "female characters are there because they're important while male characters are there for fanservice" coming from. If you want to talk about minor characters, Isabela was very minor in the first game, but she was upgraded into a main character and integrated into the comic books as well. 

Well leliana wasn't fanservice she is strongly involved in mage-templars things and have very high rank in chantry unofficially so she is important figure in chantry.Haha him please he don't have any traits that would put him as important he is blindly devoted , he isn't charismatic , he is incompetent , he is dumb no traits of great peoples unless they do ass pull and make him something like dragonborn which still would be fanservice just enforced especially after mage ending he should be kicked from templar order at best his apparently trait is being "cute" for his fanboys/grils what won't make him important...
As game ended nothing than him being kingt-capitan that failed in doing his job properly causing being is circle most corrupted in thedas ans supporting insane woman and even worse let dangerous apostate escape if hawke was mage in mage ending.

About zevran and alistair i agree they were fanservice as well

Like I said, if Isabela can go from a minor character to a full-fledge character then so can Cullen. I don't know how you determine if someone is charismatic in a game. Even going by the non-canon ending in DAO, he becomes Knight Commander and in the DA2, he becomes Knight Captain. I would say he's plenty charismatic to be able to climb the rank that fast. Leliana's involvement in mage-templar wasn't expanded until after DAO, so if you're gonna accuse the writers of intentionally making him more important then it could also apply to Leliana as well. I still say it's because the writers find something interesting in them rather than fan service. He's not blindly devoted. He doesn't kill mages indiscriminately as shown in if you sided with the templars and he stands up against his commander.

[Orian Tabris]

Silfren wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...

I don't know about you, but I've had enough of these theads about the same character/s that have been discussed in so many other threads.

If that were actually true, you would stay out of those threads.  Because that's what people do who are not interested in threads they don't like: they ignore them for threads that they ARE interested in.

You're clearly just a troll.  This and other threads you post in make that painfully obvious.

>.< I am NOT a troll!

I can talk about them, but only so much. I see the irony in not liking these threads, yet still posting in them, but that was not my point. My point was that they say the same stuff over and over again, and just get in the way of threads with something different in them.

[Battlebloodmage]

MadCat221 wrote...

What warrior subclass is Cassandra?  Sword'n'board?  Twohander?  Unless Cullen is a different subclass, there'd be too much overlap.

There is no subclass, Cassandra can use both two hander and sword and shield in the gameplay.

[Silfren]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

MadCat221 wrote...

What warrior subclass is Cassandra?  Sword'n'board?  Twohander?  Unless Cullen is a different subclass, there'd be too much overlap.

There is no subclass, Cassandra can use both two hander and sword and shield in the gameplay.

Badasses like Cassandra don't need subclasses!  She's the Chuck Norris of Thedas!

Modifié par Silfren, 30 janvier 2014 - 05:27 .

[Orian Tabris]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
Like I said, if Isabela can go from a minor character to a full-fledge character then so can Cullen. I don't know how you determine if someone is charismatic in a game. Even going by the non-canon ending in DAO, he becomes Knight Commander and in the DA2, he becomes Knight Captain. I would say he's plenty charismatic to be able to climb the rank that fast. Leliana's involvement in mage-templar wasn't expanded until after DAO, so if you're gonna accuse the writers of intentionally making him more important then it could also apply to Leliana as well. I still say it's because the writers find something interesting in them rather than fan service. He's not blindly devoted. He doesn't kill mages indiscriminately as shown in if you sided with the templars and he stands up against his commander.

It's not Cullen's charisma, it's his exposure to the subject. I suspect his hardened opinions on mages was what got him to the rank of Knight Captain. I don't know about being Knight Commander, since I always sided with the mages (I've heard that he becomes Commander if you side with the templars, and Greagoir dies).

[Star fury]

I don't mind seeing the only one sane templar tbh. Cullen's infatuation with the mage warden was cute too.

[Battlebloodmage]

Orian Tabris wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
Like I said, if Isabela can go from a minor character to a full-fledge character then so can Cullen. I don't know how you determine if someone is charismatic in a game. Even going by the non-canon ending in DAO, he becomes Knight Commander and in the DA2, he becomes Knight Captain. I would say he's plenty charismatic to be able to climb the rank that fast. Leliana's involvement in mage-templar wasn't expanded until after DAO, so if you're gonna accuse the writers of intentionally making him more important then it could also apply to Leliana as well. I still say it's because the writers find something interesting in them rather than fan service. He's not blindly devoted. He doesn't kill mages indiscriminately as shown in if you sided with the templars and he stands up against his commander.

It's not Cullen's charisma, it's his exposure to the subject. I suspect his hardened opinions on mages was what got him to the rank of Knight Captain. I don't know about being Knight Commander, since I always sided with the mages (I've heard that he becomes Commander if you side with the templars, and Greagoir dies).

He's hardened, but he doesn't indiscriminately kill mages.



He's defending the mages in this scene. Meredith wants to kill everyone, but Cullen tried to calm her say. He said being a templar is not only to watch over mages but also take responsibilities if mages gone wild. He's tough, but I think it was because he doesn't want the what happened in DAO to happen again. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Like I said, if Isabela can go from a minor character to a full-fledge character then so can Cullen. I don't know how you determine if someone is charismatic in a game. Even going by the non-canon ending in DAO, he becomes Knight Commander and in the DA2, he becomes Knight Captain. I would say he's plenty charismatic to be able to climb the rank that fast. Leliana's involvement in mage-templar wasn't expanded until after DAO, so if you're gonna accuse the writers of intentionally making him more important then it could also apply to Leliana as well. I still say it's because the writers find something interesting in them rather than fan service. He's not blindly devoted. He doesn't kill mages indiscriminately as shown in if you sided with the templars and he stands up against his commander.

Most epilogues are rumors and reason why he was knight-capitan because he was blindly devoted meredith until 3 act and and still was obedient and mostly because he and meredith shared that same view about mages here we go
"Of her company, only Cullen had seen mages' potentially terrifying power
firsthand, and she believed he could influence the other templars'
views. Consequently, Cullen rose quickly through the ranks to become
knight-captain and Meredith's second-in-command."  
from his codex that was only reason.Leliana i can agree i think also they didn't had plans about her before second game but she also know divine before she was one and if you romanced her she went to grand cleric (dorothea that will become divine) as well leliana is talented manipulator and know how play the game so it have sense she have skills , connections and divine saved her life. 
As i said they can put ass-pull about cullen but it will be still nothing more than fanservice and about isabela i didn't even know that she had fanbase in dao...

[Battlebloodmage]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

Like I said, if Isabela can go from a minor character to a full-fledge character then so can Cullen. I don't know how you determine if someone is charismatic in a game. Even going by the non-canon ending in DAO, he becomes Knight Commander and in the DA2, he becomes Knight Captain. I would say he's plenty charismatic to be able to climb the rank that fast. Leliana's involvement in mage-templar wasn't expanded until after DAO, so if you're gonna accuse the writers of intentionally making him more important then it could also apply to Leliana as well. I still say it's because the writers find something interesting in them rather than fan service. He's not blindly devoted. He doesn't kill mages indiscriminately as shown in if you sided with the templars and he stands up against his commander.

Most epilogues are rumors and reason why he was knight-capitan because he was blindly devoted meredith until 3 act and and still was obedient and mostly because he and meredith shared that same view about mages here we go
"Of her company, only Cullen had seen mages' potentially terrifying power
firsthand, and she believed he could influence the other templars'
views. Consequently, Cullen rose quickly through the ranks to become
knight-captain and Meredith's second-in-command."  
from his codex that was only reason.Leliana i can agree i think also they didn't had plans about her before second game but she also know divine before she was one and if you romanced her she went to grand cleric (dorothea that will become divine) as well leliana is talented manipulator and know how play the game so it have sense she have skills , connections and divine saved her life. 
As i said they can put ass-pull about cullen but it will be still nothing more than fanservice and about isabela i didn't even know that she had fanbase in dao...

It's more like retcon from the writers' part. Rumors are just a way for them to justify the retcon, but he was able to become a Knight Commander if there was no sequel made after. I still say it's pretty charismatic though to get noticed out of hundreds of templars. Any trait can be exaggerated and be used to expand on the characters. Being a smooth talker and connection would also fit Zevran. The result we see today from Leliana could just be after they choose to expand Leliana in that direction. If the next game is still centered on mage and templar war then I'm sure Cullen could have a reason to be there. As to whether you think it's ass-pull is irrelevant, I would take David Gaider's words over you when he said he wouldn't put any character in the game simply for fan-service.

[Hellion Rex]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
It's more like retcon from the writers' part. Rumors are just a way for them to justify the retcon, but he was able to become a Knight Commander if there was no sequel made after. I still say it's pretty charismatic though to get noticed out of hundreds of templars. Any trait can be exaggerated and be used to expand on the characters. Being a smooth talker and connection would also fit Zevran. The result we see today from Leliana could just be after they choose to expand Leliana in that direction. If the next game is still centered on mage and templar war then I'm sure Cullen could have a reason to be there. As to whether you think it's ass-pull is irrelevant, I would take David Gaider's words over you when he said he wouldn't put any character in the game simply for fan-service.

I'm lost as to how you think Cullen was retconned...he got "noticed by Meredith" because Greagoir sent him there. He obviously made Meredith aware of who he was, and she liked what she saw in him.

[Battlebloodmage]

eluvianix wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
It's more like retcon from the writers' part. Rumors are just a way for them to justify the retcon, but he was able to become a Knight Commander if there was no sequel made after. I still say it's pretty charismatic though to get noticed out of hundreds of templars. Any trait can be exaggerated and be used to expand on the characters. Being a smooth talker and connection would also fit Zevran. The result we see today from Leliana could just be after they choose to expand Leliana in that direction. If the next game is still centered on mage and templar war then I'm sure Cullen could have a reason to be there. As to whether you think it's ass-pull is irrelevant, I would take David Gaider's words over you when he said he wouldn't put any character in the game simply for fan-service.

I'm lost as to how you think Cullen was retconned...he got "noticed by Meredith" because Greagoir sent him there. He obviously made Meredith aware of who he was, and she liked what she saw in him.

In one of the endings, he went crazy, killed several mages, then runaway from the tower, and becoming a mage-killing vigilante. In another ending, he replaced Gregoir as the Knight Commander. Both of these endings wouldn't fit with what happen to him in DA2. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

It's more like retcon from the writers' part. Rumors are just a way for them to justify the retcon, but he was able to become a Knight Commander if there was no sequel made after. I still say it's pretty charismatic though to get noticed out of hundreds of templars. Any trait can be exaggerated and be used to expand on the characters. Being a smooth talker and connection would also fit Zevran. The result we see today from Leliana could just be after they choose to expand Leliana in that direction. If the next game is still centered on mage and templar war then I'm sure Cullen could have a reason to be there. As to whether you think it's ass-pull is irrelevant, I would take David Gaider's words over you when he said he wouldn't put any character in the game simply for fan-service.

Well they said that about epilogues before da 2 but who knows you may be right...
Not rly as i said well codex said he was such fanatic that even gregoir kicked him out from his circle him and meredith just agreed mages and he was blindly devoted and that was she needed minion who fills orders.
He wasn't rly charismatic as i said he was follower than leader and he couldn't made descision even hawke could say him everything and he did that kill mages ok , spare mages ok , hire this templar again ok , kill mages again ok , spare mages again ok...

Who knows about leliana but in first da we have hints about her... 
I just hope they don't do ass pulls about matters with leliana or morrigan...

Heh dg don't put any characters in game simple for fan-service well pretty much he did that with many old characters for example "swooping is bad"... gosh at least i hope they spare my warden...

[Battlebloodmage]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

It's more like retcon from the writers' part. Rumors are just a way for them to justify the retcon, but he was able to become a Knight Commander if there was no sequel made after. I still say it's pretty charismatic though to get noticed out of hundreds of templars. Any trait can be exaggerated and be used to expand on the characters. Being a smooth talker and connection would also fit Zevran. The result we see today from Leliana could just be after they choose to expand Leliana in that direction. If the next game is still centered on mage and templar war then I'm sure Cullen could have a reason to be there. As to whether you think it's ass-pull is irrelevant, I would take David Gaider's words over you when he said he wouldn't put any character in the game simply for fan-service.

Well they said that about epilogues before da 2 but who knows you may be right...
Not rly as i said well codex said he was such fanatic that even gregoir kicked him out from his circle him and meredith just agreed mages and he was blindly devoted and that was she needed minion who fills orders.
He wasn't rly charismatic as i said he was follower than leader and he couldn't made descision even hawke could say him everything and he did that kill mages ok , spare mages ok , hire this templar again ok , kill mages again ok , spare mages again ok...

Who knows about leliana but in first da we have hints about her... 
I just hope they don't do ass pulls about matters with leliana or morrigan...

Heh dg don't put any characters in game simple for fan-service well pretty much he did that with many old characters for example "swooping is bad"... gosh at least i hope they spare my warden...

If I remember correctly, Gregoir sent him to Kirkwall to recover from the trauma, not because he got kicked out. Meredith thought she could control him, but sassy Cullen has none of it. Kill all mages? He goes "no no no". Annul the circle? "Bit%$ please". He spoke against her if you ask for his opinion when sided with the templars, and he also sided with Hawke against her as well, so he's not as obedient as you thought him as. I just think that it's a bit unwarranted to accurse people of liking a character for their look. Maybe they see potential in the character or maybe the like the backstory so far. Up til this point, Cullen could be the voice of reasons seeing as he has seen the best and worst of mages and templars. He could be the moderate voice for the templar in the next game.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Battlebloodmage wrote...
If I remember correctly, Gregoir sent him to Kirkwall to recover from the trauma, not because he got kicked out. Meredith thought she could control him, but sassy Cullen has none of it. Kill all mages? He goes "no no no". Annul the circle? "Bit%$ please". He spoke against her if you ask for his opinion when sided with the templars, and he also sided with Hawke against her as well, so he's not as obedient as you thought him as. I just think that it's a bit unwarranted to accurse people of liking a character for their look. Maybe they see potential in the character or maybe the like the backstory so far. Up til this point, Cullen could be the voice of reasons seeing as he has seen the best and worst of mages and templars. He could be the moderate voice for the templar in the next game.

What he and his buddies literally killed all mages if you didn't side with mages did you missed that part and in mage ending you are protecting mage from them (well you are killing mages as well:devil:)? As far i renember that hawke decides in templar ending weather that 3 mages are killed or not.He went against meredith when she ordered to kill hawke then he is doing that "what's convenient change of heart in last minute"  :whistle:and in mage ending he fear hawke so much that he let him go...

Voice of reason he don't have voice he is doing what his boss orders him unless he meet badass on his way then he panics...

Just lovin when some peoples try paint cullen as messiah that stand against oppressors of mages that he killed moment before

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 janvier 2014 - 06:27 .

[Battlebloodmage]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...
If I remember correctly, Gregoir sent him to Kirkwall to recover from the trauma, not because he got kicked out. Meredith thought she could control him, but sassy Cullen has none of it. Kill all mages? He goes "no no no". Annul the circle? "Bit%$ please". He spoke against her if you ask for his opinion when sided with the templars, and he also sided with Hawke against her as well, so he's not as obedient as you thought him as. I just think that it's a bit unwarranted to accurse people of liking a character for their look. Maybe they see potential in the character or maybe the like the backstory so far. Up til this point, Cullen could be the voice of reasons seeing as he has seen the best and worst of mages and templars. He could be the moderate voice for the templar in the next game.

What he and his buddies literally killed all mages if you didn't side with mages did you missed that part and in mage ending you are protecting mage from them (well you are killing mages as well:devil:)? As far i renember that hawke decides in templar ending weather that 3 mages are killed or not.He went against meredith when she ordered to kill hawke then he is doing that "what's convenient change of heart in last minute"  :whistle:and in mage ending he fear hawke so much that he let him go...

Voice of reason he don't have voice he is doing what his boss orders him unless he meet badass on his way then he panics...

He was following orders at that moment, but that doesn't mean it's what he thinks. Like I said, if you ask for his opinion, he would say he's against killing the mages and annul the circle.



I'm not sure if there's anything he could do during the attack though. Even if he's against Meredith, he alone wouldn't be able to stop her (Especially considering the champion was siding with her), and there's no point in throwing his life away. It's idiotic, not being the voice of reasons or smart. No one is a messiah in this game, you could get Anders to kill mages if you wanted to. I have never said he's a messiah. He's more like a moderate voice in the whole process.

Modifié par Battlebloodmage, 30 janvier 2014 - 06:31 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

He was following orders at that moment, but that doesn't mean it's what he thinks. Like I said, if you ask for his opinion, he would say he's against killing the mages and annul the circle.



I'm not sure if there's anything he could do during the attack though. Even if he's against Meredith, he alone wouldn't be able to stop her (Especially considering the champion was siding with her), and there's no point in throwing his life away. It's idiotic, not being the voice of reasons or smart. No one is a messiah in this game, you could get Anders to kill mages if you wanted to. I have never said he's a messiah. He's more like a moderate voice in the whole process.

See as i said he is coward he could leave simple if he didn't liked that...
He was supporting her to the end as i said until hawke appeard then he changed his mind and then decided he can do something good one:devil: .

It is not if he didn't want do that he could join to hawke in mage ending he didn't he kill mages end of the story he isn't voice of reason as i said he is blindly obedient to the chantry and was to meredith and when he seen how crazy she was well he didn't but well...

[Chanda]

This is why it would be good for him to be in inquisition, it's an opportunity for him to develop his feelings and show his true character.

[Battlebloodmage]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Battlebloodmage wrote...

He was following orders at that moment, but that doesn't mean it's what he thinks. Like I said, if you ask for his opinion, he would say he's against killing the mages and annul the circle.



I'm not sure if there's anything he could do during the attack though. Even if he's against Meredith, he alone wouldn't be able to stop her (Especially considering the champion was siding with her), and there's no point in throwing his life away. It's idiotic, not being the voice of reasons or smart. No one is a messiah in this game, you could get Anders to kill mages if you wanted to. I have never said he's a messiah. He's more like a moderate voice in the whole process.

See as i said he is coward he could leave simple if he didn't liked that...
He was supporting her to the end as i said until hawke appeard then he changed his mind and then decided he can do something good one:devil: .

It is not if he didn't want do that he could join to hawke in mage ending he didn't he kill mages end of the story he isn't voice of reason as i said he is blindly obedient to the chantry and was to meredith and when he seen how crazy she was well he didn't but well...

He's conflicted. If he joins the mage's side then it would mean that he made a decision. Maybe it's more indecisive than a coward. If he's actually a coward, he wouldn't have gone against the Knight Commander.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Battlebloodmage wrote...

He's conflicted. If he joins the mage's side then it would mean that he made a decision. Maybe it's more indecisive than a coward. If he's actually a coward, he wouldn't have gone against the Knight Commander.

alternative was fighting with hawke and in the end (mage) hawke delivers death glare and cullen have wet pants

crap we have to cut a little our comments because admins will destroy us for pyramid quotes

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 janvier 2014 - 06:45 .

[Adela]

Battlebloodmage, Don't bother explaining your self, some ppl are just stubborn and dont like to see reason no matter what evidence you may provide, so in the end it will turn into an argument that no one will win.

[TheKomandorShepard]

ag99 wrote...

Battlebloodmage, Don't bother explaining your self, some ppl are just stubborn and dont like to see reason no matter what evidence you may provide, so in the end it will turn into an argument that no one will win.

What reason i don't see any reason someone try put how he much rejected meredith by "bi*** please" or "no no" after he started kill all mages in circle because he attacked meredith because she attacked hawke...

crap it consumed 1 word

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 janvier 2014 - 07:30 .

[Chanda]

That doesn't even make sense. I have no idea what you just said. Is English not your first language?

[TheKomandorShepard]

Chanda wrote...

That doesn't even make sense. I have no idea what you just said. Is English not your first language?

because it shouldn't have sense that was point and nope 

Modifié par TheKomandorShepard, 30 janvier 2014 - 07:29 .

[Gear2nd]

I think Cullen as a companion could be cool, as long as he not: another Anders, Fenris, or Alistair. Those were the most whiniest characters in the series, and they had some sort of pre-teen like angst that annoyed me to no end..If Cullen turns out to be like that, I will murder-knife him >.>