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[Ultim Asari]

 I feel alone in my opinion. By the time I got to the end of ME3, I had played leviathan and the extended ending was added to my xbox. I actually liked the ending and found it fulfilling (I know I had the dlc that most didn't) anyone else feel the same?

[Mcfly616]

Sure. However, I experienced the original ending and hated it. The EC made it one of my favorite endings in gaming. Leviathan was the icing.

[SilJeff]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Sure. However, I experienced the original ending and hated it. The EC made it one of my favorite endings in gaming. Leviathan was the icing.

Basically this for me as well, but not to the same degree of liking it afterwards.

I hated the pre-EC ending (not enough to get the retake banner, remove the trilogy from my console, boycott Bioware, or anything that a lot of people had, but yes I did hate it). But the Extended Cut made me not mind the ending but still felt like it was missing something, and Leviathan made me really satisfied over all. I am perfectly content with the ending now, but I will admit, it still isn't an ending I am super stoked to get to. Sorry if that sounds contradictory, but I can't really explain my feelings in words. I'll just illustrate it:

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Before the Extended Cut I was this regarding the ending:
http://static.guim.c...aroney--008.jpg

but, I was not this regarding the original ending like most people on BSN:
http://images.sodahe...52168083079.png

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Then, when the Extended Cut came out, I was this regarding the ending:
can't find a picture to describe it, but it was a combination of these faces: . Not mad, not feeling meh, but simply neutral, while tilting towards happy

while most people on BSN were more like: <_<

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And now, after Leviathan and Extended Cut (and Citadel too), I am this regarding the ending:
http://www.wallmay.n...lmay.com_21.jpg

however, at the same time, I am not at this level regarding the ending:
http://mashable.com/...crazy-dance.gif

Modifié par SilJeff, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:15 .

[Excella Gionne]

With EC it is satisfying. Just recently deleted all of my DLCs that equaled up to 11GBs, and experienced the ending Pre-EC. It was cool, but if it were my first time I'd be disappointed. I haz all of the DLCs including Genesis 2 which I didn't need at all but bought it anyways for experimentation.

[KevShep]

Mcfly616 wrote...

Sure. However, I experienced the original ending and hated it. The EC made it one of my favorite endings in gaming. Leviathan was the icing.

The Leviathan DLC makes the endings more of a mess then before because they make Synthesis the right ending and synthesis is a joke in every sense and every angle of view.

I never got the Leviathan for many reasons but that is one of them. it also takes away any hope of head cannon and it takes all speculation out of it as there is only one chioce now with one hope for organics. This could be ok in having one right ending but the ending that they point to(synthesis) makes no sense what so ever in any way from any point of view period. 

Bioware says that the reapers are AI but there logic has always been that of a VI. They cant see past there own programing or functions...a VI. 

[Kel Riever]

Boy I am glad I never got Leviathan.

[AlanC9]

KevShep wrote...


I never got the Leviathan for many reasons but that is one of them. it also takes away any hope of head cannon and it takes all speculation out of it as there is only one chioce now with one hope for organics. This could be ok in having one right ending but the ending that they point to(synthesis) makes no sense what so ever in any way from any point of view period.

How can it be the right option and not make sense?

[Iakus]

Kel Riever wrote...

Boy I am glad I never got Leviathan.

Leviathan has some decent maps and puzzles.  And the squad actually talks.

But yeah, story-wise it's just another attempt to "explain" the abysmally bad ending to us poor idiots who don't "get it".  Only this one costs ya $10.

[CronoDragoon]

KevShep wrote...
The Leviathan DLC makes the endings more of a mess then before because they make Synthesis the right ending and synthesis is a joke in every sense and every angle of view.

What does the Leviathan DLC have to do with Synthesis?

[Iakus]

CronoDragoon wrote...

KevShep wrote...
The Leviathan DLC makes the endings more of a mess then before because they make Synthesis the right ending and synthesis is a joke in every sense and every angle of view.

What does the Leviathan DLC have to do with Synthesis?

The Leviathans are used to try and reinforce the concept that organics and synthetics can never get along ("Hey, we had that problem a billion years ago!")

It suggests that the Reapers are the only things holding the Leviathans back from taking over the galaxy again.

And of course, the Leviathans justify teh Intelligence's search for a "solution" overall

"There was no mistake, it still serves its purpose"

[GimmeDaGun]

No, you're not alone. There are many people who liked it with or without the dlc-s. I'm one of them. But of course there are a great many people who did not. It's really just a matter of taste.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 29 janvier 2014 - 07:31 .

[GimmeDaGun]

iakus wrote...

Kel Riever wrote...

Boy I am glad I never got Leviathan.

Leviathan has some decent maps and puzzles.  And the squad actually talks.

But yeah, story-wise it's just another attempt to "explain" the abysmally bad ending to us poor idiots who don't "get it".  Only this one costs ya $10.

Funny, I did not need Leviathan to "understand" the ending. I did not even need the EC for that. Not because I'm so clever, but because it was not that complicated in the first place. The ending in its original form was terribly lacking and underproduced though. It showed the symptoms of a rushed job due to the deadline. I still think that the EC was a huge improvement. It did not fix every nuance of the, but it made the ending much better. 

Concerning Leviathan, I have to agree with you to a certain degree. While it was not necessary for understanding the ending, it should have been in the vanila version of the game (as From Ashes should have), since it gave a lot more context to the overarching story-line. As a dlc it was quite a cheap attempt to fix the hanging unexplained information in the game. The production quality and the presentation made up for it though.

I still hate dlc-s in general.

[Navasha]

I think having experienced the non-EC ending does paint your view a bit of the game overall. It also took some time for me to come to understand that each ending is meant for different people regardless of how the writers seemingly intended for one to be better than the other.

In my outlook, there is nothing more horrific and shockingly disgusting than the synthesis ending. Imagine my horror when at the end of a long epic trilogy you meander forward into the big beam of light thinking you will get to make your CHOICE when you get there and then have to watch the non-EC synthesis ending where you turn the entire galaxy into husks. It was like being slapped in the face the first time. Then, of course, in their infinite wisdom I had to go ALL the way back to chromos station and play all of Earth again in order to get a different ending, more suitable ending. That is once I realized what the heck happened and you had to make the choice on the platform.

To me, the destroy ending is satisfying enough. Not perfect, but I can live with the consequences of that decision. All the others just feel slapped on after the effect despite everything Shepard worked toward all trilogy.

[Iakus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Funny, I did not need Leviathan to "understand" the ending. I did not even need the EC for that. Not because I'm so clever, but because it was not that complicated in the first place. The ending in its original form was terribly lacking and underproduced though. It showed the symptoms of a rushed job due to the deadline. I still think that the EC was a huge improvement. It did not fix every nuance of the, but it made the ending much better. 

Concerning Leviathan, I have to agree with you to a certain degree. While it was not necessary for understanding the ending, it should have been in the vanila version of the game (as From Ashes should have), since it gave a lot more context to the overarching story-line. As a dlc it was quite a cheap attempt to fix the hanging unexplained information in the game. The production quality and the presentation made up for it though.

I still hate dlc-s in general.

Oh, believe me, I "got" the endings.  And I despise them anyway.  Heck I despise them because I get them

Bioware, however, seems to think that those who dislike the endings simply don't understand them.  And need them "explained" via EC. 

[GreyLycanTrope]

Meh all Levy does is add a bit of proper foreshadowing for the Catalyst and try to justify the problem he's trying to solve so it doesn't come out of left field as much as it did previously. It does the foreshadowing rather well the justification is debatable.

[Br3admax]

Greylycantrope wrote...

Meh all Levy does is add a bit of proper foreshadowing for the Catalyst and try to justify the problem he's trying to solve so it doesn't come out of left field as much as it did previously. It does the foreshadowing rather well the justification is debatable.

This.

As well, it didn't solve many of the major problems with ME as a whole, which would never be possible, not in only one game. Finally, the endinds still make absolutely no sense in some areas, and are just bizzare, fidgdg Syntheiss fudfdf, in others. I'm not going to pretend that it's one of my, "favorite endings in gaming ever" because EC added a few slide shows to the end. That being said, I also wish that people would get over the endings already, it's been two years. It's time to let it go. 

Modifié par Br3ad, 29 janvier 2014 - 08:08 .

[GimmeDaGun]

iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Funny, I did not need Leviathan to "understand" the ending. I did not even need the EC for that. Not because I'm so clever, but because it was not that complicated in the first place. The ending in its original form was terribly lacking and underproduced though. It showed the symptoms of a rushed job due to the deadline. I still think that the EC was a huge improvement. It did not fix every nuance of the, but it made the ending much better. 

Concerning Leviathan, I have to agree with you to a certain degree. While it was not necessary for understanding the ending, it should have been in the vanila version of the game (as From Ashes should have), since it gave a lot more context to the overarching story-line. As a dlc it was quite a cheap attempt to fix the hanging unexplained information in the game. The production quality and the presentation made up for it though.

I still hate dlc-s in general.

Oh, believe me, I "got" the endings.  And I despise them anyway.  Heck I despise them because I get them

Bioware, however, seems to think that those who dislike the endings simply don't understand them.  And need them "explained" via EC. 

Well, there were quite a few people who did not enjoy the ending because it was a mess to them. So Bioware got it right about a certain part of the fanbase. They did these dlc-s mostly (EC and Leviathan) to them. The reason I say this with such certainty is because there were many fans who stopped hating the ending after the release of those two dlc-s. Also, as it seems, fewer people have problems with the ending among those who play the game for the first time with Leviathan and EC installed. 

I know you get the ending. You are not among those people. You simply hate the ending because it does not fit your taste. 

[Han Shot First]

After the Extended Cut and Leviathan I'm okay with the endings. I think the endings still have some flaws, but they were patched up enough by the two DLCs that it salvaged the series for me.

[Iakus]

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Well, there were quite a few people who did not enjoy the ending because it was a mess to them. So Bioware got it right about a certain part of the fanbase. They did these dlc-s mostly (EC and Leviathan) to them. The reason I say this with such certainty is because there were many fans who stopped hating the ending after the release of those two dlc-s. Also, as it seems, fewer people have problems with the ending among those who play the game for the first time with Leviathan and EC installed. 

I know you get the ending. You are not among those people. You simply hate the ending because it does not fit your taste. 

I will always question how many people EC actually "fixed" things for.  And how many simply gave up in disgust and moved on to other things (as I get asked repeatedly to do)

In other words, did Bioware simply run out the clock?

[Big Destiny]

i wish you would give up in disgust and move on

[GimmeDaGun]

iakus wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Well, there were quite a few people who did not enjoy the ending because it was a mess to them. So Bioware got it right about a certain part of the fanbase. They did these dlc-s mostly (EC and Leviathan) to them. The reason I say this with such certainty is because there were many fans who stopped hating the ending after the release of those two dlc-s. Also, as it seems, fewer people have problems with the ending among those who play the game for the first time with Leviathan and EC installed. 

I know you get the ending. You are not among those people. You simply hate the ending because it does not fit your taste. 

I will always question how many people EC actually "fixed" things for.  And how many simply gave up in disgust and moved on to other things (as I get asked repeatedly to do)

In other words, did Bioware simply run out the clock?

We will never know. Both is true I guess. Some people started to like the endings, some others found it acceptable due to those dlc-s. I say this by experience. By my own experience and by others' who shared their thoughts about the EC and Leviathan here. Many others became indifferent about the ending, they did not like it, but they did not hate it with passion. And there were people who hated the ending or the game because of these dlc-s even more, since their release made them realize that no new ending was coming for them. They turned their backs on the game and\\or the developers, since according to their view Bioware did not listen to the fans. Some of them still express their negative feelings about the case, others just stopped caring about it and moved on. These people all made their own conclusions about the case. 

Do we know the exact numbers of these people? No. Is there any way to find it out? No. All the things we say about this issue can be based on either observation (of these boards, real life friends, other forums, social media sites etc.) or bias (negative or positive, it does not matter). In the end everybody will believe what they want to believe and what makes them feel comfortable.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 29 janvier 2014 - 08:37 .

[GimmeDaGun]

Big Destiny wrote...

i wish you would give up in disgust and move on

Hey friend, leave him alone. He is a nice chap. He has just as much right to complain or write about his feelings/thoughts about different things concerning these  games, as we do. If it pleases him or makes things easier for him, let him do it. These boards are for the fans after all, and we are all fans. As long as it happens in a nice and constructive manner, there's absolutely no problem with it, even if sometimes it can become a bit too much.

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 29 janvier 2014 - 08:34 .

[dreamgazer]

iakus wrote...

I will always question how many people EC actually "fixed" things for.  And how many simply gave up in disgust and moved on to other things (as I get asked repeatedly to do)

In other words, did Bioware simply run out the clock?

Considering the people who have posted their enthusiasm for another Mass Effect game in speculation articles, like this one, it looks like healthy enthusiasm for the franchise (and straggling bitterness, just like with ME2) will carry on either way. Minds being changed due to the EC isn't an uncommon thing, though. 

[GimmeDaGun]

Big Destiny wrote...

GimmeDaGun wrote...

Hey friend, leave him alone. He is a nice chap. He has just as much right to complain or write about his feelings/thoughts about different things concerning these  games, as we do. If it pleases him or makes things easier for him, let him do it. These boards are for the fans after all, and we are all fans. As long as it happens in a nice and constructive manner, there's absolutely no problem with it, even if sometimes it can become a bit too much.

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Very original kiddo... you'll discuss the rest with the mods. 

Modifié par GimmeDaGun, 29 janvier 2014 - 09:04 .

[Daemul]

The original endings never bothered me and the EC didn't change that. The only thing that bothered me was that the trilogy was over, which was quickly remedied with another playthrough of ME3. If I had experienced the original endings in 2004 I may have hated the endings like many others, but since experiencing the garbage that was the Star Ocean 3 ending, I have had zero expectations for any video game having a good ending, because let's be honest, the vast majority of video game endings suck.

So now I just don't care anymore, having zero expectations means zero chance of being disappointed.