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[Dr_Extrem]

i still dont like them .. and not only because of the story. ( i count london as a part of the ending)

its execution is still horrible. the lack of logic, common sense, a real battleplan (ww1 tactics) and complete ignorance toward the mass effect lore are compensated with cheap tear jerkers, dumb one-liners and kitsch.

on top of it all comes the catalyst and its banal explanation for the cycles. immortal god-machines do not nead a reason to do what they do. sovy told us, that we would not understand their motives but suddenly, they are very clear and understandable from a weird point of view.

the endings demystified the reaper-myth ... to me, it is a bad thing.


turning the antagonists to victims (by the catalyst) is a cheap move ... it is redemption, they did not earn. this takes the possibility away to redeem the villian ... shepard gets the wooden spoon and pays for it with the rest of his/her humanity. this is a tragic theme ... but not very satisfying to a person who has played a game. the carrot turned out to be made out of cardboard.


at least, this is how i still feel ...


but ... i am glad, that you feel different.

Modifié par Dr_Extrem, 29 janvier 2014 - 09:12 .

[Big Destiny]

it was a good comment

[Han Shot First]

iakus wrote...

I will always question how many people EC actually "fixed" things for.  And how many simply gave up in disgust and moved on to other things (as I get asked repeatedly to do)

There was a poll on the BSN not long after the Extended Cut released asking what fans thought of the endings with the EC included. There were four options if I remember correctly. Love, like, dislike, hate. From what I remember the total votes for love and like were slightly higher (but only just) than the totals for dislike and hate, but hate got more votes than love. Unfortunately I can't find it now.

I did find a brief article that mentions the result of a facebook poll on the Extended Cut. There is also this poll from the Escapist.

I don't know what to make of all those different results beyond it probably pointing to the fanbase being divided on the Extended Cut. From Bioware's perspective I guess you can call that an improvement, since the fan reaction to the original endings appeared to be overwhelmingly negative.

[Iakus]

Han Shot First wrote...

There was a poll on the BSN not long after the Extended Cut released asking what fans thought of the endings with the EC included. There were four options if I remember correctly. Love, like, dislike, hate. From what I remember the total votes for love and like were slightly higher (but only just) than the totals for dislike and hate, but hate got more votes than love. Unfortunately I can't find it now.

I did find a brief article that mentions the result of a facebook poll on the Extended Cut. There is also this poll from the Escapist.

I don't know what to make of all those different results beyond it probably pointing to the fanbase being divided on the Extended Cut. From Bioware's perspective I guess you can call that an improvement, since the fan reaction to the original endings appeared to be overwhelmingly negative.

Keep in mind also that EC happened months later.  Not everyone is like me and can stew about it for years

A lot of people who may have voted against liking EC may simply not have been there to vote, having resold/exchanged ME3 and moved on to other games.

Not to mention that Facebook poll was deceptively worded, asking about expectations rather than satisfaction.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

The ending was simply put, complete crap.

Now I've done a lot of thinking and analyzing of the endings from all sorts of perspectives that I can find and use, and I've come to the conclusion that it was simply an inappropriate concept that was horrifically executed.

[themikefest]

One of the best things I can say about the extended cut is it fixed the flashback scene as you're picking whatever ending you choose. It was nice to finally see Traynor in the flashback.

[R4ZOR GHO5T]

 I can see where the OP is coming from saying the ending was fufilling with all the DLC and the Extended Cut, but stuff such as Javik, Leviathan, and the EC should of been in the game to begin with as they are all plot integral. If this was the case I feel the initial reaction to the ending would not of been as bad.

That said, I still personally hate the end, I appreciate BioWare for trying to fix it, but for me it was too little, too late.

[dreamgazer]

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The ending was simply put, complete crap.

The one thing the past two years have shown, however, after seeing/reading fan alternatives and learning a bit more about Drew K.'s ideas for sacrificing humanity and making the Reapers actual good guys with the dark energy concept, is that it could have been much worse.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 29 janvier 2014 - 10:16 .

[Mcfly616]

KevShep wrote...

The Leviathan DLC makes the endings more of a mess then before because they make Synthesis the right ending 

No, it doesn't. It doesn't push the agenda of any specific ending.

I never got the Leviathan 

That explains a lot. 

Modifié par Mcfly616, 29 janvier 2014 - 10:21 .

[ImaginaryMatter]

My main problems with the ending were more thematically based and that's why the EC nor Leviathan made them better for me. There shouldn't have been a synthetic vs organic anything because the series moved away from that concept at the end of ME1 and it was only a part of a larger whole in terms of galactic struggles. The AI characters in the series, apart from the Reapers, are much more understanding, peace loving, and tolerant than any other race of sentient beings (except for maybe the Hanar); this coupled with the fact that it is possible to establish a peaceful and seemingly stable relationship between the organic and synthetic races just makes the ending seem jarring. Add in the fact that the 'best' ending (hardest to unlock at least) comes completely out of left field and I feel like the ending is just a jarring mess added for deep and philosophical reasons rather than story ones.

I think the fact that Shepard can never once bring up the Geth or EDI reflects how divorced the ending is from the rest of the series. The Geth/Quarian conflict and resolution is especially relevent to the conversation and it gets zero mention.

Honestly, I don't know why they didn't go with a more generic, "Organics will eventually war themselves into extinction twist."

Modifié par ImaginaryMatter, 29 janvier 2014 - 10:38 .

[R4ZOR GHO5T]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The ending was simply put, complete crap.

The one thing the past two years have shown, however, after seeing/reading fan alternatives and learning a bit more about Drew K.'s ideas for sacrificing humanity and making the Reapers actual good guys with the dark energy concept, is that it could have been much worse.

I wouldn't say it completely makes them out to be good guys, it makes them seem to be all "the ends justify the means", while I agree it wouldn't have been much better, I still would of took it over what we got (if it had been properly planned out and explained, we only know what Drew summed up concisely in an interview)

Modifié par R4ZOR GHO5T, 29 janvier 2014 - 10:30 .

[dorktainian]

unless you believe in the theory that shall not be named.....

The endings are just so out of place to everything else. You do not introduce a bad guy in the final seconds of a game trilogy. That is just stupid.

[R4ZOR GHO5T]

dorktainian wrote...

unless you believe in the theory that shall not be named.....

The endings are just so out of place to everything else. You do not introduce a bad guy in the final seconds of a game trilogy. That is just stupid.

Oh dear lord please don't summon that...thing D;

[wright1978]

Nope, my opinion of the ending hasn't changed. Originally it was an utter train wreck of devastating terribleness and after EC it was a horrendous train wreck with a shiny red bow tied round it in the hopes that people would ignore how shockingly bad it was.

[Dubozz]

I'd say ending is still piece of ****. (Hello, bioware mods!)

[His Name was HYR!!]

 I like the ending well enough.


Then again, I get it.

[MassivelyEffective0730]

dreamgazer wrote...

MassivelyEffective0730 wrote...

The ending was simply put, complete crap.

The one thing the past two years have shown, however, after seeing/reading fan alternatives and learning a bit more about Drew K.'s ideas for sacrificing humanity and making the Reapers actual good guys with the dark energy concept, is that it could have been much worse.

I'll be honest.

Not, really, no. I don't really feel that it could have been.

I seriously believe that the ME3 ending, as taken conceptually and presented narratively and thematically, was something of Ed Wood levels of ineptitude. Minus the charm.

[liggy002]

The original ending is terrible... the EC extended that which was terrible. The Leviathan attempted to explain the Reaper situation in more depth but still didn't make much sense to me. This is, of course, is only my opinion. That said, I do believe that most people still dislike the ending, even with the EC.

Modifié par liggy002, 30 janvier 2014 - 01:17 .

[NeroonWilliams]

I am one of the lucky(?) ones who never experienced the vanilla ending. I didn't play ME3 until after the EC and Leviathan were around and I played my first time through with them.

I had ZERO problem with the ending. But then again, I am also someone who LIKED Neo's conversation with The Architect, so maybe the added content doesn't really mean much.

[ImaginaryMatter]

liggy002 wrote...

The original ending is terrible... the EC extended that which was terrible. The Leviathan attempted to explain the Reaper situation in more depth but still didn't make much sense to me. This is, of course, is only my opinion. That said, I do believe that most people still dislike the ending, even with the EC.

I guess we'll never know. However, I think we can be more certain about the prospect that from now on BioWare is going to handle endings with much greater care.

[von uber]

I don't think it is the worst. But then I only ever played through with ec and all dlc - in fact it was a complete me1-3 play through as I had not played any of them.
Maybe that colours my opinion.

[Agamemnon2589]

 The original ending was, in my opinion, utter garbage. But I recently got around to replaying the game, this time with EC and Leviathan (as well as Omega and Citadel). The EC, I thought, was absolutely fantastic. I was very happy to put Mass Effect firmly back at the top of my All Time Favorites list. I just don't understand why the original ending was so god awful when BioWare was capable of something like the EC.

[Usefull_idiot]

I don't like the endings with or without the dlc's. When I finished ME3 for the first time, I had a feeling that the writers tried way too hard to make an unforgettable/epic ending. Plus, I think they wasted valuable time/money on the multiplayer part of the game which, in my opinion, sucks ass.