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[Luke Estes]

Ok - I was just wanting to know if I Legion will be Loyal, if I choose to Destroy the "Geth Heretic Base" and Will He Survive the "Suicide Mission"?

And the reason I ask is because, the [Prima Strategy Guide] for ME3 say's part of being able to make Peace between the Geth & Quarian's is Destroying the "Heretic Base" in ME2 ... is That True? Any Help would be Greatly appreciated, Thank's.

[N0rke]

I'm pretty sure either options will make Legion loyal as the Geth Consensus is 50/50 and he gives you permission to choose.

I think the guide might be off/patch changed the conditions because I saved the Heretic base in ME2 and was able to achieve peace between the Geth & Quarians.

Modifié par N0rke, 29 janvier 2014 - 05:00 .

[Excella Gionne]

He will survive it regardless of either choices, but the choice you make here, you must consider Tali's loyalty mission as well. If the combination is not correct, you cannot achieve peace between Geth and Quarians regardless if both are loyal and alive for Mass Effect 3.

Outcomes:

1. Destroy Geth Heretics and have Tali exiled(Admirals cannot know of Tali's father's experiments, so you must lie). Conflict between Legion and Tali must be resolved, and both must survive the Suicide Mission.

2. Rewrite Geth Heretics and convinced Admirals that Tali is not guilty(Cannot present Tali's father's experiments). Conflict between Legion and Tali must resolved, and both must survive the Suicide Mission.

3+. You CANNOT mix these around, it must go in this order or else peace is not possible.

[cap and gown]

I would check out the wiki for the conditions needed for peace between the Quarians and Geth. They are quite involved. You can rewrite the heretics (it is not recommended) and still achieve peace, but the window becomes narrower and you need to do everything else right.

Here is the wiki's take on achieving peace:



Note: The Reputation check's requirements are complex. First, there are factors which seem to be purely pass/fail; missing even one of them flunks the Reputation check:

Shepard must have at least four bars of Reputation.
Tali and Legion must both be present, which requires an imported save from Mass Effect 2. If no save was imported, Tali will have been exiled and will not be able to support Shepard with an Admiral's authority, while Legion will not appear at all.
The mission Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons must be completed.


Additionally, there are other factors which build up Shepard's trustworthiness to both parties; if Shepard has not done enough of them, the Commander will not have the groundswell of goodwill needed to moderate a cease-fire. According to the official Prima Games guide, each factor has a certain "point" value, and at least 5 "points" are necessary for the cease-fire to occur. These factors are:

(+2 points) Destroying the heretic geth in Legion: A House Divided. In shipboard conversation, you can ask Legion about the repercussions of your decision, and it will mention that the absence of the Heretics made the consensus to join the "Old Machines" more difficult to achieve. Geth forces are also considerably weakened without the aid of the Heretics, giving the Migrant Fleet an edge in the battle and reducing the quarians' overall casualties.
(+2 points) Preventing Tali's exile in Tali: Treason without presenting evidence of Admiral Rael'Zorah's experiments on the geth. While it's possible to present the evidence and still be able to broker peace, it adds its own problem in that it makes Tali far less likely to survive the attack on the Collector Base.
(+1 point) Brokering a peace in the Tali/Legion loyalty argument. If the player did not have sufficient Paragon/Renegade points at that time, loyalty of either Tali or Legion would have been lost. In that case -- even if loyalty had been regained later -- this "point" will not count towards the five needed to pass the Reputation check (and broker the ceasefire).
(+1 point) Completing Rannoch: Admiral Koris.
(+1 point) Saving Admiral Koris during Rannoch: Admiral Koris.

[caradoc2000]

cap and gown wrote...

Tali and Legion must both be present, which requires an imported save from Mass Effect 2.

Or Mass Effect Genesis 2.

[themikefest]

@cap and gown
+1 for completeing the Geth consensus mission

also you mentioned Admiral Koris twice +1 for saving Koris and if you choose not to save him you loose the point regardless if you do the mission or not

[cap and gown]

themikefest wrote...

@cap and gown
+1 for completeing the Geth consensus mission

The wiki indicates the the consensus mission (listed as "Rannoch: Geth Fighter Squadrons") is mandatory. I suspect this is the case, otherwise the dialogue about what Shepard saw while in the consensus would not make sense.

Modifié par cap and gown, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:57 .

[cap and gown]

double post

Modifié par cap and gown, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:57 .

[MegaIllusiveMan]

cap and gown wrote...

I would check out the wiki for the conditions needed for peace between the Quarians and Geth. They are quite involved. You can rewrite the heretics (it is not recommended) and still achieve peace, but the window becomes narrower and you need to do everything else right.

Here is the wiki's take on achieving peace:

(+2 points) Destroying the heretic geth in Legion: A House Divided. In shipboard conversation, you can ask Legion about the repercussions of your decision, and it will mention that the absence of the Heretics made the consensus to join the "Old Machines" more difficult to achieve. Geth forces are also considerably weakened without the aid of the Heretics, giving the Migrant Fleet an edge in the battle and reducing the quarians' overall casualties.

I always tought that this decision didn't mattered... Only in the War Asset Count:

Destroying Heretics(+ for the Migrant Fleet - for the Geth Fleet)
Re-Writing Heretics(+For the Geth - for the Migrant Fleet)

[capn233]

The wiki essentially is telling the minimum requirements.  Here is another version of it which should be at least as clear:

-Tali and Legion must survive ME2 (requires "import")
-Shepard must enter Geth Consensus (ie complete Geth Fighter Squadron mission).
-Shepard must have 4 bars of rep
-You need 5 of the following points if Paragon, and 7 if Renegade:

• Destroy Geth Heretics in ME2 - 2
• Tali not exiled - 2
• Resolve Tali and Legion conflict with charm/intimidate - 1
• Complete "Admiral Koris" mission - 1
• Save Admiral Koris at the end of his mission - 1

Basically this pigeonholes a couple of choices as requirements, at least for Renegade.

I think the above is accurate, but have never tested it in great detail.  It has however been reported slightly differently on the forum, where the consensus mission is not required and is worth 1pt, and you only get a point for Koris if he is alive (not for just doing his mission).  In any event, if you meet the ME2 requirements and do both Rannoch side missions, you are likely going to be able to pass the check.

Modifié par capn233, 29 janvier 2014 - 06:19 .

[Luke Estes]

Thank's for all of the Help!

And I have 1 last question. I'm finishing up My squad LM's [Tali's , & Samara's] in ME2, and I was wondering if I can do Tali's LM after going to the "Derelict Reaper" so I can take Legion on Her LM. If I do that, will I be able to Complete [Tali's , & Legion's] LM befor the Collector's abduct My Crew? Any help would be appreciated.

[Excella Gionne]

Yes, you can do that, but I would recommend waking Legion up immediately after the mission, just so he can give you his loyalty mission after you do Tali's. I believe you need to do a mission after you wake Legion up for him to give you his Loyalty Mission.

Once you wake him up, you can go right ahead and do Tali's.

[cap and gown]

You can do up to two missions after the Reaper IFF before the kidnapping occurs. So you can do Tali's mission with Legion, then do Legion's mission. The key is getting Legion's loyalty mission in your log before going to the galaxy map. So, wake up Legion, take him to the Migrant Fleet, then go talk to him to get his LM, then go do it.

Here is a thread discussing the mechanics of the kidnapping: http://social.biowar.../index/17712851

[Luke Estes]

So - if I understand this Correctly, I can wait to do Tali & Legion's LM after getting the Reaper IFF ... Correct? I just Finished Samara's LM.

[Luke Estes]

I have completed the rest of My Squad's LM's.

[cap and gown]

Luke Estes wrote...

So - if I understand this Correctly, I can wait to do Tali & Legion's LM after getting the Reaper IFF ... Correct? I just Finished Samara's LM.

Yes. See the above linked thread for lots of detailed discusions of when the kidnapping occurs, how to have Legion available for various missions, and other related topics.

Also, it is quite possible to have a number of non-loyal squad members survive the Suicide Mission. So it is not critical that every single loyalty mission be done before hand.

[Excella Gionne]

Luke Estes wrote...

So - if I understand this Correctly, I can wait to do Tali & Legion's LM after getting the Reaper IFF ... Correct? I just Finished Samara's LM.

Yes, but make sure to wake up Legion before you go and do Tali's, because you need to do a mission for Legion to give you his. If you don't wake him up, and you do Tali's, and then you wake him up, it'll go right to the abduction.

Modifié par johnnythao89, 30 janvier 2014 - 11:47 .

[Luke Estes]

Good, I just need to wake up Legion after I get the IFF and Before I hit the Galaxy Map ... Thank's for all of Your help!

& I'm doing My Best to keep My Squad alive through the Suicide Mission, They're all Loyal as far as I know, got any tip's ... Who to do what Job?

[themikefest]

Luke Estes wrote...

Good, I just need to wake up Legion after I get the IFF and Before I hit the Galaxy Map ... Thank's for all of Your help!

& I'm doing My Best to keep My Squad alive through the Suicide Mission, They're all Loyal as far as I know, got any tip's ... Who to do what Job?

This will help

[Excella Gionne]

Luke Estes wrote...

Good, I just need to wake up Legion after I get the IFF and Before I hit the Galaxy Map ... Thank's for all of Your help!

& I'm doing My Best to keep My Squad alive through the Suicide Mission, They're all Loyal as far as I know, got any tip's ... Who to do what Job?

Ventilation job:
-Tali
-Kasumi
-Legion

Second firing team:
-Garrus
-Miranda
-Jacob

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Biotic bubble person:
-Samara/Morinth
-Jack

Second firing team:
-Garrus
-Jacob
-Miranda(Can be unloyal, and will not die)

Escort for the captured Normandy Crew:
-Anyone, but Mordin is recommended since he has a very high chance of dying(Anyone loyal can do this).

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Squadmates for the final run:
-Anyone who is loyal, but it's best to bring anyone but Grunt. Grunt is very valuable for the team that will be defending against the Collectors. It's best to bring anyone else, and if you bring Miranda she does have a special dialogue.

[Luke Estes]

I just completed Legion's LM by Destroying the "Heretic's".

& I was just wondering if I can still go Mining after the IFF is Installed, or do I have to have to go Rescue the Crew if I want all of Them to Survive immediately. can I do so mining, or will the Crew Die while I'm doing that?

[cap and gown]

After the kidnapping you can go mining. I believe you can also get off at hub worlds/SB base. Just don't do any missions.

[Excella Gionne]

After the crew gets captured, you cannot enter any HUB or it'll result in the death of half off your Normandy SR-2 crew. The only HUB you can enter is the Shadow Broker base which seems to be the only base you can enter and not affect anything else.

[RedCaesar97]

johnnythao89 wrote...

After the crew gets captured, you cannot enter any HUB or it'll result in the death of half off your Normandy SR-2 crew. The only HUB you can enter is the Shadow Broker base which seems to be the only base you can enter and not affect anything else.

Incorrect. I have travelled to all hubs and still had all the crew survive. You just need to not get any Mission Complete screen and you will be fine.

[Luke Estes]

I don't need to go to any of the Hub World's, I just need to go Mining.

Thank's for all of Your Help, wish Me Luck with the "Suicide Mission" LOL