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[Teh_Ocelot]

Mighty Omnibutton wrote...

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

Aetika wrote...

It´s easy to use power with high damage output, which seems to provoke certain people. Others can´t stand its visual effects.
It´s also very trendy here on BSN since bad-mouthing EDI has gotten old.
Although I never had any problems with flamer users, outside of one instance where I had three flamers to shoot through with sniper rifle. But that was still fun

Forgive me, I'm still somewhat new to the ME3 party, but....why do people hate on EDI? AIU is a legit character...or is that why they hate on her, b/c it's a legit play? 

more or less

Lol thanks. Consider me educated 

[Koenig888]

I don't really have a problem with EDI. With the nerf to Repair Matrix, she is not as OP as before (so long as she is not using the Reegar).

Modifié par Koenig888, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:46 .

[Aetika]

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

Forgive me, I'm still somewhat new to the ME3 party, but....why do people hate on EDI? AIU is a legit character...or is that why they hate on her, b/c it's a legit play? 

As Kislitsin said, she has high damage output, cloak(that significant portion of BSN hate more then anything else) and very high survivability. The idea of some "weaker" player being able to reach same results as them just thanks to EDI unfortunately irritates some people. I guess they feel less special or something...

Modifié par Aetika, 29 janvier 2014 - 02:48 .

[Teh_Ocelot]

Aetika wrote...

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

Forgive me, I'm still somewhat new to the ME3 party, but....why do people hate on EDI? AIU is a legit character...or is that why they hate on her, b/c it's a legit play? 

As Kislitsin said, she has high damage output, cloak(that significant portion of BSN hate more then anything else) and very high survivability. The idea of some "weaker" player being able to reach same results as them just thanks to EDI unfortunately irritates some people. I guess they feel less special or something...

So basically she's a good character that, when played right, somewhat trivializes the game/scoreboard, and thereby, the epeen. Got it

[Fortack]

Lets create a co op game and give the players, who are supposed to work together, stuff to blind each other and make everyone's screen shake. Obviously, these things do not affect the AI in any way - they can look through everything and have pin point accuracy even when the world implodes.

Teamwork 2.0? ... seems legit.

[jrm_ayun]

I can't see

[SilentStep79]

N7didacus wrote...

 Also flamer has a DoT duration after flaming, so you don't even need to just spam flamer, use your gun more.

I love you.
forgot to mention that in my earlier post...

[Derpy]

Also flamer gives people higher epeen. That is one thing people take too seriously on BSN.

[Teh_Ocelot]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Also flamer gives people higher epeen. That is one thing people take too seriously on BSN.

It always comes back to the epeen

[Derpy]

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

Also flamer gives people higher epeen. That is one thing people take too seriously on BSN.

It always comes back to the epeen

all crutches = higher epeen

[FuriousFelicia]

Fortack wrote...

Lets create a co op game and give the players, who are supposed to work together, stuff to blind each other and make everyone's screen shake. Obviously, these things do not affect the AI in any way - they can look through everything and have pin point accuracy even when the world implodes.

Teamwork 2.0? ... seems legit.

But the point of team work is roles, positions and tactics. I don't see any particular tactics in four people clustered together, all shooting at the same thing. And in case of flamer, it's a flame thrower. It is supose to burn, and the bigger, the better, or would you preffer an over sized 30m ranged blowtorch?

[Teh_Ocelot]

FuriousFelicia wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Lets create a co op game and give the players, who are supposed to work together, stuff to blind each other and make everyone's screen shake. Obviously, these things do not affect the AI in any way - they can look through everything and have pin point accuracy even when the world implodes.

Teamwork 2.0? ... seems legit.

But the point of team work is roles, positions and tactics. I don't see any particular tactics in four people clustered together, all shooting at the same thing. And in case of flamer, it's a flame thrower. It is supose to burn, and the bigger, the better, or would you preffer an over sized 30m ranged blowtorch?

I agree. There's no way you can say wave 8+ on any faction isn't made easier by having someone who's competent w/ their flamethrower. Flank and destroy

[hellman77]

The only issue I have with Flamer and Snap Freeze is that they overwrite biotic primers. This wouldn't be a problem if you didn't get a Acolyteflamer or a SnapFreezespammer in every single lobby. And by that I mean EVERY single lobby.

[jrob6]

hellman77 wrote...

The only issue I have with Flamer and Snap Freeze is that they overwrite biotic primers. This wouldn't be a problem if you didn't get a Acolyteflamer or a SnapFreezespammer in every single lobby. And by that I mean EVERY single lobby.

Pretty much sums it up.  Oh, and I can't see sheet.

[Loufi]

Because it's blind me, cut my biotic explosions...

[Sket]

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

FuriousFelicia wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Lets create a co op game and give the players, who are supposed to work together, stuff to blind each other and make everyone's screen shake. Obviously, these things do not affect the AI in any way - they can look through everything and have pin point accuracy even when the world implodes.

Teamwork 2.0? ... seems legit.

But the point of team work is roles, positions and tactics. I don't see any particular tactics in four people clustered together, all shooting at the same thing. And in case of flamer, it's a flame thrower. It is supose to burn, and the bigger, the better, or would you preffer an over sized 30m ranged blowtorch?

I agree. There's no way you can say wave 8+ on any faction isn't made easier by having someone who's competent w/ their flamethrower. Flank and destroy

No one's disputing this. Competent is the keyword though, and that goes for all kits...

[Fortack]

FuriousFelicia wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Lets create a co op game and give the players, who are supposed to work together, stuff to blind each other and make everyone's screen shake. Obviously, these things do not affect the AI in any way - they can look through everything and have pin point accuracy even when the world implodes.

Teamwork 2.0? ... seems legit.

But the point of team work is roles, positions and tactics. I don't see any particular tactics in four people clustered together, all shooting at the same thing. And in case of flamer, it's a flame thrower. It is supose to burn, and the bigger, the better, or would you preffer an over sized 30m ranged blowtorch?

The point of teamwork is to work together, to be stronger than the sum of all individual parts (when done right of course). Things like the Flamer are prone to accomplish the opposite hence why I don't particularly like it. Hell, I refuse to use stuff that is going to annoy my teammates instead of helping them out in a meaningful way. Anyone who wants to use it for some reason is free to do so, but I will stay as far away from those "teammates" as possible and don't revive them b/c I find the game more enjoyable without getting trolled by crap like that.

Good tactics mean that everyone does what they do best. Flamer kits ensure that their teammates' tactics won't work properly anymore unless they go lone-wolving - which is perfectly fine, but has little to nothing to do with playing tactically.

[Teh_Ocelot]

Sketfish wrote...

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

FuriousFelicia wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Lets create a co op game and give the players, who are supposed to work together, stuff to blind each other and make everyone's screen shake. Obviously, these things do not affect the AI in any way - they can look through everything and have pin point accuracy even when the world implodes.

Teamwork 2.0? ... seems legit.

But the point of team work is roles, positions and tactics. I don't see any particular tactics in four people clustered together, all shooting at the same thing. And in case of flamer, it's a flame thrower. It is supose to burn, and the bigger, the better, or would you preffer an over sized 30m ranged blowtorch?

I agree. There's no way you can say wave 8+ on any faction isn't made easier by having someone who's competent w/ their flamethrower. Flank and destroy

No one's disputing this. Competent is the keyword though, and that goes for all kits...

The "competent" w/ the flamethrower bit was tongue-in-cheek. No competency required to center enemies in giant ball of fire and melt faces. But in principle obviously you are right, competency with a kit is key to extracting

[Derpy]

One thing I never get is how do you use flamer if people complain about to flaming things?

[Teh_Ocelot]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

One thing I never get is how do you use flamer if people complain about to flaming things?

Use it anyway. Play solo on another part of the map. Join another lobby. Doesn't matter imo. I always try to compliment my team and I always try to make the game as enjoyable as I can for everyone, but if I feel like the flamethrower will benefit the team and someone disagrees, then I'm sorry, but I'm going to use it anyway b/c I'm going to melt a Brute w/ my thrower a lot faster than you're going to kill it w/ your Mantis from the back of the map. #reality

[jrob6]

Nate_Assassin wrote...

One thing I never get is how do you use flamer if people complain about to flaming things?

Solo.

[FuriousFelicia]

 Some men just want to watch the whole world BURN:devil:

[jrob6]

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

Nate_Assassin wrote...

One thing I never get is how do you use flamer if people complain about to flaming things?

Use it anyway. Play solo on another part of the map. Join another lobby. Doesn't matter imo. I always try to compliment my team and I always try to make the game as enjoyable as I can for everyone, but if I feel like the flamethrower will benefit the team and someone disagrees, then I'm sorry, but I'm going to use it anyway b/c I'm going to melt a Brute w/ my thrower a lot faster than you're going to kill it w/ your Mantis from the back of the map. #reality

lolMantis

[Aetika]

Fortack wrote...

FuriousFelicia wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Lets create a co op game and give the players, who are supposed to work together, stuff to blind each other and make everyone's screen shake. Obviously, these things do not affect the AI in any way - they can look through everything and have pin point accuracy even when the world implodes.

Teamwork 2.0? ... seems legit.

But the point of team work is roles, positions and tactics. I don't see any particular tactics in four people clustered together, all shooting at the same thing. And in case of flamer, it's a flame thrower. It is supose to burn, and the bigger, the better, or would you preffer an over sized 30m ranged blowtorch?

The point of teamwork is to work together, to be stronger than the sum of all individual parts (when done right of course). Things like the Flamer are prone to accomplish the opposite hence why I don't particularly like it. Hell, I refuse to use stuff that is going to annoy my teammates instead of helping them out in a meaningful way. Anyone who wants to use it for some reason is free to do so, but I will stay as far away from those "teammates" as possible and don't revive them b/c I find the game more enjoyable without getting trolled by crap like that.

Good tactics mean that everyone does what they do best. Flamer kits ensure that their teammates' tactics won't work properly anymore unless they go lone-wolving - which is perfectly fine, but has little to nothing to do with playing tactically.

Oh, this is kind of cruel. Poor guys don´t even know why you are not reviving them.

I have to say I had many funny games with flamer users. Even if I was biotic. I just spammed throw and there were fire explosions everywhere. It was just as effective as any other strategy.

[Teh_Ocelot]

FuriousFelicia wrote...

 Some men just want to watch the whole world BURN:devil:

More easily accomplished when you have a flamethrower