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[Strict31]

Shadohz wrote...

This thread deserves to be flamed.

Noone disputes the usefulness of flamer power. It just highly annoys other players because it's overused/not used effectively like when scrubs use Hex Shield. If you have to ask WHY all the hate, then you're probably one of the people doing it. Be cognizant of the affects on your other teammates.

A lot of people spend a lot of time worrying about what someone else is doing.

I was in a gold match tonight with a pair of Vorcha flamers who just flamed the ass out of everything that came close to them. They routinely flamed all the things and I responded by routinely setting off the fire explosions they unwittingly primed. They made for fine bullet-stoppers.

At no point was I capable of giving a single or multiple sh** about what they were doing. I dunno if they had fun in that match, because they died left and right. But I had fun.

[BigSmellyBob]

Only time I give a damn bout flamers... or various 'shake the screen' powers/ combos/ weapons... is when I'm tryin to line up a sniper shot. Bein jerked to the left .2 sec before blowing someone's head off is a pain... but dead is dead. Win is win.

[millahnna]

The only time I really strongly dislike flamer users is when they seem to actively be stalking me with it. I mean it bugs when they don't realize they can turn it off but that's just newbie stuff; everyone goes through it to some extent with something in this game. But the stalking thing, an example; playing my melee Huntress once and a Vorcha flamer was actively following me around and using flamer over my shoulder. I'd try to adjust my position so that we would be working in tandem (I could set of his explosions after all) but he'd switch spots again and go back to blinding me. But meh, the guy was new. It's not the end of the world, just a little frustrating.

[N7 Banshee Bait]

My favorite character is the Geth Trooper. (Used to be the Shadow but her health & shields are nonexistent). Most players leave my lobbies immediately after extraction. I always wonder why. They must not like something I'm doing. Maybe it's because of my Flamer + Scorpion combo. I shake the hell out of the screen. It's totally ridiculous! I LOVE IT! I have constant explosions & flames shaking the crap out of the screen. I melt most of the enemies in seconds.

The other day a player sent me a message. It simply said the B word. I replied with "???" but he never bothered to explain. I don't know if he was calling me a **** or he meant a Banshee was a ****. I guess I'll never know.

Modifié par N7 Banshee Bait, 30 janvier 2014 - 11:34 .

[Teh_Ocelot]

Shadohz wrote...

This thread deserves to be flamed.

Noone disputes the usefulness of flamer power. It just highly annoys other players because it's overused/not used effectively like when scrubs use Hex Shield. If you have to ask WHY all the hate, then you're probably one of the people doing it. Be cognizant of the affects on your other teammates.

I had to ask why b/c I'm a relatively new player to the ME3sphere. As for me being cognizant of my teammates, I am. I always pick a loadout to compliment my teammates. If there's another biotic, I play Fury. If there are a bunch of soldiers, I play a Geth Trooper, b/c if there aren't biosplosions to effectively tear down armor, then Flamer works better than any of your guns, bar none. I can hit multiple targets all queued up in a chokepoint with no problem. Also, I don't stand next to my teammates and spam it indiscriminately, I flank the bosses and melt them from behind. I understand, based on a lot of these comments, that the noise is annoying (it annoys me too and I'm the one using it) and that it can be vision-impairing, but again, only if you're right beside or behind your teammates. That's not how I play. So, overall, the effect on my teammates is a lot less armored enemies to kill. +1 imo

[Teh_Ocelot]

BigSmellyBob wrote...

Only time I give a damn bout flamers... or various 'shake the screen' powers/ combos/ weapons... is when I'm tryin to line up a sniper shot. Bein jerked to the left .2 sec before blowing someone's head off is a pain... but dead is dead. Win is win.

"...dead is dead. Win is win." I agree 100%, long as we win I don't care how we get there.

And yes, it is annoying to have people spam powers while you snipe. Electric Slash is the worst

[LemurFromTheId]

BigSmellyBob wrote...

Only time I give a damn bout flamers... or various 'shake the screen' powers/ combos/ weapons... is when I'm tryin to line up a sniper shot. Bein jerked to the left .2 sec before blowing someone's head off is a pain... but dead is dead. Win is win.

If only people could actually kill stuff efficiently with all those Shockwaves and Smashes. Bruised is not dead, but when I shoot something with my Javelin, it dies. I'm not saying those powers don't have their uses, but spamming them during escorts for example is rarely the right thing to do. Oh well, pugs will be pugs.

[Fortack]

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

BigSmellyBob wrote...

Only time I give a damn bout flamers... or various 'shake the screen' powers/ combos/ weapons... is when I'm tryin to line up a sniper shot. Bein jerked to the left .2 sec before blowing someone's head off is a pain... but dead is dead. Win is win.

"...dead is dead. Win is win." I agree 100%, long as we win I don't care how we get there.

And yes, it is annoying to have people spam powers while you snipe. Electric Slash is the worst

Screenshake and other crap is not related to sniping in any way. You have the same issues when using close range weapons that require proper aiming to be effective.

I don't give a damn about winning. I play games to enjoy myself and I actually do care how to get there. In fact, I rather lose playing something that present some sort of challenge than selecting an IWIN kit and stand behind soft cover to kill them all without having to worry about getting killed myself - that's boring as hell.

[millahnna]

Screenshake and other crap is not related to sniping in any way. You have the same issues when using close range weapons that require proper aiming to be effective.

Totally. I don't play with sniper rifles pretty much at all but I've had screenshake mess with me on my shotgun builds. Much like with flamer spam though, as long as someone isn't flat out stalking me with it, I can usually work around it ok.

[LemurFromTheId]

Fortack wrote...

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

BigSmellyBob wrote...

Only time I give a damn bout flamers... or various 'shake the screen' powers/ combos/ weapons... is when I'm tryin to line up a sniper shot. Bein jerked to the left .2 sec before blowing someone's head off is a pain... but dead is dead. Win is win.

"...dead is dead. Win is win." I agree 100%, long as we win I don't care how we get there.

And yes, it is annoying to have people spam powers while you snipe. Electric Slash is the worst

Screenshake and other crap is not related to sniping in any way. You have the same issues when using close range weapons that require proper aiming to be effective.

I don't give a damn about winning. I play games to enjoy myself and I actually do care how to get there. In fact, I rather lose playing something that present some sort of challenge than selecting an IWIN kit and stand behind soft cover to kill them all without having to worry about getting killed myself - that's boring as hell.

I totally agree with this, in fact I feel stupid now for not bringing up this point myself... so thanks for doing it for me!

Furthermore, while I have nothing against people "stealing my kills", I have a problem when they actually hamper my ability to be an effective team member while doing it. I mean, if you don't want me to be useful, should I just wait in the corner? That takes a lot of fun out of the game.

[Teh_Ocelot]

Fortack wrote...

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

BigSmellyBob wrote...

Only time I give a damn bout flamers... or various 'shake the screen' powers/ combos/ weapons... is when I'm tryin to line up a sniper shot. Bein jerked to the left .2 sec before blowing someone's head off is a pain... but dead is dead. Win is win.

"...dead is dead. Win is win." I agree 100%, long as we win I don't care how we get there.

And yes, it is annoying to have people spam powers while you snipe. Electric Slash is the worst

Screenshake and other crap is not related to sniping in any way. You have the same issues when using close range weapons that require proper aiming to be effective.

I don't give a damn about winning. I play games to enjoy myself and I actually do care how to get there. In fact, I rather lose playing something that present some sort of challenge than selecting an IWIN kit and stand behind soft cover to kill them all without having to worry about getting killed myself - that's boring as hell.

You can't say it's "not related to sniping in any way" b/c that's obviously not true, screenshake represents a frustration for snipers. It might represent one for CQB players as well, but you can't say it doesn't affect snipers.

And I agree, playing different kits and seeing if you can do well is enjoyable; if all I cared about was winning 100% of the time then I'd run AIU + lolReegar. I do care about being an effective player though, and a good teammate, and an effective player can use the Flamer 100% of the time w/o negatively impacting his teammates. It's too good a skill to ignore b/c of minor issues that common sense can easily mitigate. And while standing behind soft cover might be boring as hell, wiping on round 3 is frustrating as hell, and since I don't have the ability to solo yet, I'll stick w/ boring credits over the alternative.

[LemurFromTheId]

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Screenshake and other crap is not related to sniping in any way. You have the same issues when using close range weapons that require proper aiming to be effective.

You can't say it's "not related to sniping in any way" b/c that's obviously not true, screenshake represents a frustration for snipers. It might represent one for CQB players as well, but you can't say it doesn't affect snipers.

He's not saying it doesn't affect sniping. He's saying it's related to shooting in general, not just sniping.

[LemurFromTheId]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Strict31 wrote...
A lot of people spend a lot of time worrying about what someone else is doing.

I was in a gold match tonight with a pair of Vorcha flamers who just flamed the ass out of everything that came close to them. They routinely flamed all the things and I responded by routinely setting off the fire explosions they unwittingly primed. They made for fine bullet-stoppers.

At no point was I capable of giving a single or multiple sh** about what they were doing. I dunno if they had fun in that match, because they died left and right. But I had fun.

This! A thousand times this.

I don't care what other people do in my matches. I'm there to have fun for me and if I'm concerned about what another person does then I'm probably not. Couldn't realy tell you much of what most of the people I play with do. Might be able to remember certain players characters. But what they did? Nope. I was too busy doing my thing and having fun doing it.

It's a co-op game and you're not concerned about what other players are doing? If that's how you have fun, by all means. But from my experience the other players do affect how I play the game and how much fun I'm having with it. Especially when they actively prevent me from doing my thing and having fun doing it.

That said, flamer spammers generally don't prevent me from doing my thing, so I have no problem with them.

[Fortack]

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

You can't say it's "not related to sniping in any way" b/c that's obviously not true, screenshake represents a frustration for snipers. It might represent one for CQB players as well, but you can't say it doesn't affect snipers.

And I agree, playing different kits and seeing if you can do well is enjoyable; if all I cared about was winning 100% of the time then I'd run AIU + lolReegar. I do care about being an effective player though, and a good teammate, and an effective player can use the Flamer 100% of the time w/o negatively impacting his teammates. It's too good a skill to ignore b/c of minor issues that common sense can easily mitigate. And while standing behind soft cover might be boring as hell, wiping on round 3 is frustrating as hell, and since I don't have the ability to solo yet, I'll stick w/ boring credits over the alternative.

What I meant was that screenshake affects anyone who has to rely on aiming in some way. You are right that long range (scoped) shots get hit harder than short range ones. However, when I am moving toward an also moving enemy with my beloved Claymore and need a headshot to OHK, a screenshake at the wrong moment is likely going to mess up my shot even at very close range.

I've maxed my manifest a long time ago so credits are of no concern to me. I've done my share of farming credits back in the day, but I never enjoyed it much. I do understand why people want to do this though, and wholeheartedly blame the RNG

[Teh_Ocelot]

Aedolon wrote...

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

Fortack wrote...

Screenshake and other crap is not related to sniping in any way. You have the same issues when using close range weapons that require proper aiming to be effective.

You can't say it's "not related to sniping in any way" b/c that's obviously not true, screenshake represents a frustration for snipers. It might represent one for CQB players as well, but you can't say it doesn't affect snipers.

He's not saying it doesn't affect sniping. He's saying it's related to shooting in general, not just sniping.

...but that's not what he said. Quote - "Screenshake and other crap is not related to sniping in any way", and clearly, it is. I'm a fairly CQB player, I usually run w/ a shotgun and I can't say screenshake bothers me all that much, but maybe it does and I'm just not enough of a precision player to have noticed.

At any rate, I get both of your points. +1

[Teh_Ocelot]

Fortack wrote...

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

You can't say it's "not related to sniping in any way" b/c that's obviously not true, screenshake represents a frustration for snipers. It might represent one for CQB players as well, but you can't say it doesn't affect snipers.

And I agree, playing different kits and seeing if you can do well is enjoyable; if all I cared about was winning 100% of the time then I'd run AIU + lolReegar. I do care about being an effective player though, and a good teammate, and an effective player can use the Flamer 100% of the time w/o negatively impacting his teammates. It's too good a skill to ignore b/c of minor issues that common sense can easily mitigate. And while standing behind soft cover might be boring as hell, wiping on round 3 is frustrating as hell, and since I don't have the ability to solo yet, I'll stick w/ boring credits over the alternative.

What I meant was that screenshake affects anyone who has to rely on aiming in some way. You are right that long range (scoped) shots get hit harder than short range ones. However, when I am moving toward an also moving enemy with my beloved Claymore and need a headshot to OHK, a screenshake at the wrong moment is likely going to mess up my shot even at very close range.

I've maxed my manifest a long time ago so credits are of no concern to me. I've done my share of farming credits back in the day, but I never enjoyed it much. I do understand why people want to do this though, and wholeheartedly blame the RNG

Ok, I feel you. I dont' ADS that much w/ my shotties, so perhaps I've never noticed. Maybe I should. I'm still a noob so credits matter to me :-). And yes...the RNG...I pray all bad things upon the RNG. 

[LemurFromTheId]

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

And I agree, playing different kits and seeing if you can do well is enjoyable; if all I cared about was winning 100% of the time then I'd run AIU + lolReegar. I do care about being an effective player though, and a good teammate, and an effective player can use the Flamer 100% of the time w/o negatively impacting his teammates. It's too good a skill to ignore b/c of minor issues that common sense can easily mitigate. And while standing behind soft cover might be boring as hell, wiping on round 3 is frustrating as hell, and since I don't have the ability to solo yet, I'll stick w/ boring credits over the alternative.

Flamer can be used very effectively without spamming it 100% of the time though. It's great for hiding the reloads of strong weapons like Javelin and Claymore and goes extremely well with PPR's ammo regen.

[Teh_Ocelot]

Aedolon wrote...

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

And I agree, playing different kits and seeing if you can do well is enjoyable; if all I cared about was winning 100% of the time then I'd run AIU + lolReegar. I do care about being an effective player though, and a good teammate, and an effective player can use the Flamer 100% of the time w/o negatively impacting his teammates. It's too good a skill to ignore b/c of minor issues that common sense can easily mitigate. And while standing behind soft cover might be boring as hell, wiping on round 3 is frustrating as hell, and since I don't have the ability to solo yet, I'll stick w/ boring credits over the alternative.

Flamer can be used very effectively without spamming it 100% of the time though. It's great for hiding the reloads of strong weapons like Javelin and Claymore and goes extremely well with PPR's ammo regen.

To clarify, when I said "use the Flamer 100% of the time", I mean it can be used in every game that they play and it can be used effectively. I don't mean you can walk around w/ your flamethrower on and it be effective 

[LemurFromTheId]

starlitegirlx wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

starlitegirlx wrote...

This! A thousand times this.

I don't care what other people do in my matches. I'm there to have fun for me and if I'm concerned about what another person does then I'm probably not. Couldn't realy tell you much of what most of the people I play with do. Might be able to remember certain players characters. But what they did? Nope. I was too busy doing my thing and having fun doing it.

It's a co-op game and you're not concerned about what other players are doing? If that's how you have fun, by all means. But from my experience the other players do affect how I play the game and how much fun I'm having with it. Especially when they actively prevent me from doing my thing and having fun doing it.

That said, flamer spammers generally don't prevent me from doing my thing, so I have no problem with them.

To me, co-op means working toward the same objective. When I did let how other people played affect me, I had far less fun because I was too busy caring about them. That said, the only thing that makes my game boring is when people who clearly play gold or platinum come to silver and clean house. I don't mind it other than it is boring and not a challenge or even feels like I'm playing. Everything else is easily ignored as I focus on my game and having fun. If I let what everyone else was doing concern me, I'd be miserable. I choose to be happy and therefore I am.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all about having fun, and usually I don't pay much attention to pugs when I play. But there are times when they do stupid things you just can't ignore. Those escorts and hacks don't do themselves, and I'm not ass enough to ignore them.

[Kislitsin]

starlitegirlx wrote...
That said, the only thing that makes my game boring is when people who clearly play gold or platinum come to silver and clean house. I don't mind it other than it is boring and not a challenge or even feels like I'm playing.

And what if those people are out of creditrs and med-gels/ops-packs? Should they go into gold with hope there will be another decent player?

I prefer to clear some random silver quickly and continue my gold/plat credit hoarding. Those solos require a lot of consumables, you know.

[LemurFromTheId]

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

Aedolon wrote...

Teh_Ocel0t wrote...

And I agree, playing different kits and seeing if you can do well is enjoyable; if all I cared about was winning 100% of the time then I'd run AIU + lolReegar. I do care about being an effective player though, and a good teammate, and an effective player can use the Flamer 100% of the time w/o negatively impacting his teammates. It's too good a skill to ignore b/c of minor issues that common sense can easily mitigate. And while standing behind soft cover might be boring as hell, wiping on round 3 is frustrating as hell, and since I don't have the ability to solo yet, I'll stick w/ boring credits over the alternative.

Flamer can be used very effectively without spamming it 100% of the time though. It's great for hiding the reloads of strong weapons like Javelin and Claymore and goes extremely well with PPR's ammo regen.

To clarify, when I said "use the Flamer 100% of the time", I mean it can be used in every game that they play and it can be used effectively. I don't mean you can walk around w/ your flamethrower on and it be effective 

Well, I think one problem with Flamer is that it pretty much can be used like that, as evidenced by numerous solos that are essentially just walking flamer spam (no, I'm not saying they're all like that).

[Cirvante]

Hello dear Flamer user, I'm a GI and I'm better than you. I don't even know what equipment is, yet I can clean up the entire map with my Claymore and make it look easy. Unfortunately your Flamer seems to be blocking my view, so could you please stand over there in the corner while I do my thing?