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Vanor

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 Hi all got ME Trilogy
for Christmas and just this week started playing ME3 online, and so far really enjoying it.  But I have a couple questions.  

First, at low levels are classes like Adepts better then Solders?  I've played the SP part so far as a solder and enjoy it, but playing one in Co-op seemed a bit difficult.  I don't seem to get many kills or even assists, playing as
a Adept on the other hand for the two games I tried it, I seem to dish out a lot more damage, or at least get more kills.

Played 3 games last night one with a lvl 1 adept, then with my now lvl 5 adept, and one with my lvl 8 solider.  (The only reason he's lvl 8 is because of a card I got in one of the free packs).  With the Adept I got a 10+ Biotic kill in both games, 25+ assists in both games and at least 1 25+ kills.  With the Solider I got 10+ assists I think.

Now it could just be the teams I was playing with, when I played as the solider the spawns were killed pretty quickly.  The 2nd game with the Adept it was 2 Krogans, 1 really big one and a Geth Juggernaught.  So I think half the team was geared more for defense then DPS.

But just wondering if it's just the teams I've played with so far, the fact that until I get a few more upgrades the Solider is a bit under powered compared to an Adept, or if I'm just better with the Adept for some reason.

Also, am I better off buying the recruit packs or if I have the credit should I buy the vet packs?

Modifié par Vanor, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:09 .


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As you just started out, you don't have the weapons to make soldiers shine. Adepts rely more on powers so can be more effective with weaker weapons. At this stage, just try everything and enjoy the game.

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I'd say stick with the recruit packs until you get all your commons maxed out(Weapons, weapon mods. etc.), then start with the veterans and up. It's really about what you like using the most. For me, soldiers are more fun than adepts so I perform better, but it's really up to you. Play with what you like, don't be afraid to try out any class or character and never give up on any equipment.

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Don't know what caused the formatting in my post to go funky, so I fixed it. Thanks for the answers so far. :)

[quoteAs you just started out, you don't have the weapons to make soldiers shine. Adepts rely more on powers so can be more effective with weaker weapons.[/quote]

Ok so it is just that the Adept is a bit better when you have few to no upgrades.  I kinda figured it might be something like that, since it's more about the biotic powers then the gun.

I enjoy playing the Adept, so I might stick with that, but as follow up question, would it make sense to keep playing the Adept until i get a few upgrades to my weapons unlocked?  I'm assuming that the stuff you get in the packs are random, so I'm just as likely to get Assault Rifle upgrades as I am anything else.  So what I play to get those credits doesn't matter.

Modifié par Vanor, 29 janvier 2014 - 04:13 .


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Koenig888 wrote...

As you just started out, you don't have the weapons to make soldiers shine. Adepts rely more on powers so can be more effective with weaker weapons. At this stage, just try everything and enjoy the game.


Yep, experimenting with different classes, builds and weapons is half the fun when you first start playing.

As for packs OP, I strongly recommend buying Recruit Packs until your common (blue) weapons are maxed. Then buy Veteran Packs until your uncommon (silver weapons) are maxed. Then move on to the Spectre/Premium Spectre/Arsenal Packs for Rares (Gold) and Ultra Rares (N7).

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In the beginning you won't have access to very powerful weapons so it is only natural that power-based classes dish out more.
What helped me alot with classes that I had no idea how to play was watching video guides, you can check out several and then decide for the setup you like most

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Yeah, as stated above, Adepts are power based no matter the level, a powerful weapon isn't needed to make them baws, whereas obviously a Soldier's going to suffer from his powers being focused on his weapons and obviously just starting out, you don't have much in the way of good weapons. Learn which characters you like and how you want to play, and if you stick w/ the Adepts just remember, biotic explosion is your friend :-) Enjoy the game.

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Once you get the acolyte (or have it already) or the reegar, suddenly the whole game will change, you'll see.

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The last thing you should worry about is the scoreboard. Yeah, it's nice to see yourself getting some shiny medals and use it as a personal indicator as to what you could be doing better, but... fun is the goal.

And credits. Lots of credits.

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Adepts, vanguards, sentinels, and engineers will be more capable in general until you have some more capable weaponry, but only some soldiers and infiltrators can run on their powers alone,

learn to use combo detonations, they help immeasurably, there are many good threads on the matters,

of your starting classes, the two who shine brightest at low level are the adept and vanguard, who can do just fine on their own even on the highest difficulties, as long as you possess the skill and knowledge to use them

you have already used the adept, but the vanguard, who people refer to as the novaguard, is quite capable, but skill intensive compared to the others

Modifié par MGW7, 29 janvier 2014 - 05:41 .


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The last thing you should worry about is the scoreboard.


Only reason I worry about it, is because I don't want to be a leach.  If I'm not at least pulling a little bit of the load, then I'm doing something wrong.

Now clealry I'm not going to do as well as people who've been playing longer and have more upgrades.  So I don't care if I can't make it to 1st or even 2nd place.  But if the only thing I accompolish the whole mission is give someone else first aid badges, something needs to change.  :)

Also I do get the Biotic exposions thing, saw that about the combos.  

Another question... Are the non-N7 humans worth playing in latter games?  I mean clearly my options are somewhat limited right now.  But when I start unlocking stuff will the stock human adept or solider be playable or will I be limiting my abilities trying to play one?

I understand that different races have different kits, so a human adept gets power A,B,C and a Asari gets powers H,J, and K.  But is an Asari Adept or Justicar better then a human of the same level?

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The stock human adept is magnificently powerful. Singularity and smash will give you tons of biotic explosions, it's a great class.

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Vanor wrote...

Can you link your manifest please, just click the "prepare for retaliation at... " poster at the side, and link yourself here, it is easier to help with builds when we know what you have

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Beerfish wrote...

The stock human adept is magnificently powerful. Singularity and smash will give you tons of biotic explosions, it's a great class.

that is not the stock adept, that is the phoenix you are thinking of

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Vanor wrote...

The last thing you should worry about is the scoreboard.


Only reason I worry about it, is because I don't want to be a leach.  If I'm not at least pulling a little bit of the load, then I'm doing something wrong.

Now clealry I'm not going to do as well as people who've been playing longer and have more upgrades.  So I don't care if I can't make it to 1st or even 2nd place.  But if the only thing I accompolish the whole mission is give someone else first aid badges, something needs to change.  :)

Also I do get the Biotic exposions thing, saw that about the combos.  

Another question... Are the non-N7 humans worth playing in latter games?  I mean clearly my options are somewhat limited right now.  But when I start unlocking stuff will the stock human adept or solider be playable or will I be limiting my abilities trying to play one?

I understand that different races have different kits, so a human adept gets power A,B,C and a Asari gets powers H,J, and K.  But is an Asari Adept or Justicar better then a human of the same level?


You'll get differing opinions on this, BSNer A says that all characters are viable with any guns on any level, all the way up to Platinum and he has the YouTube vids to back it up, while BSNer B will say the exact opposite. In my experience, you can take any build into Gold once you know how to play it inside and out, and you can do well. I won't say the same, personally, about Platinum. However, the vanilla human kits almost always give something up to the alien/N7 kits you unlock down the road. The Adept is always viable b/c a biosplosion is a biosplosion is a biosplosion, so as long as you have another biotic you can chain w/ then it's always viable. All depends on how well you know the build and how good you are @ using RHA (right hand advantage)

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MGW7 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

The stock human adept is magnificently powerful. Singularity and smash will give you tons of biotic explosions, it's a great class.

that is not the stock adept, that is the phoenix you are thinking of


Whoops!  correct.  Singularity along with warp and shockwave are pretty well as good in any case.  If I recall Singularity and shockwave produce one of the best Biotic combos.

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Beerfish wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

Beerfish wrote...

The stock human adept is magnificently powerful. Singularity and smash will give you tons of biotic explosions, it's a great class.

that is not the stock adept, that is the phoenix you are thinking of


Whoops!  correct.  Singularity along with warp and shockwave are pretty well as good in any case.  If I recall Singularity and shockwave produce one of the best Biotic combos.


Yep, and you can get two explosions from one singularity if specced that way. A truly magnificent kit for pugging Gold or Plat.

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MGW7 wrote...

Can you link your manifest please, just click the "prepare for retaliation at... " poster at the side, and link yourself here, it is easier to help with builds when we know what you have


social.bioware.com/n7hq/home/

I'll work on getting it added to my sig after lunch.  I really like the coop stuff in ME3 and plan on being here for a while.

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Well you certainly have a lot of things to unlock that is for sure. I hope you are using the Hurricane a lot. Give a try to your human infiltrators as well. Don't underestimate the power of Tactical cloak for both offensive and defensive reasons.

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Vanor wrote...

MGW7 wrote...

Can you link your manifest please, just click the "prepare for retaliation at... " poster at the side, and link yourself here, it is easier to help with builds when we know what you have


social.bioware.com/n7hq/home/

I'll work on getting it added to my sig after lunch.  I really like the coop stuff in ME3 and plan on being here for a while.


Thanks
alrighty then, first you've unlocked the hurricane, which is an excellent top tier weapon, and can be used stand alone on most kits with no trouble at all

Next you have unlocked the juggernaut, lots of people will be very annoyed if you use it badly, because most of the people who use it use it badly, and it is super common for low skill people to use it badly on high difficulties,

But it is very powerful, and I would rather tell you how to use it well than say don't use it,
The build I use, feel free to modify whatever to suit your needs

He is the tank of mass effect, and can give as good as he gets, he is the only character who cannot be killed instantly, by any enemy, but he is not invincible

Mobility, the jug lacks the ability to sprint, but his overall mobility is otherwise very good, be on the move constantly, standing in one place is very bad for his health, as he isn't the best cqb fighter, and getting surrounded will kill him. learn to dodge the big hits, you don't have to worry about the small stuff, but learning to avoid tank killers is vital, most bosses have powerful but slow melees that he can dodge by either increasing distance, or moving sideways, don't soak up damage if you don't have to

Melee, the juggernaut's melee drains enemy heath and restores his shields, so he can tank enemies if he needs to, but the damage output is very low, and as more enemies gather around you will be overwhelmed, and killed, but it is good to get back just enough shields when you need to, prevents being staggered, and can immobilize infantry, including phantoms, so can be helpful to make them not attack you.
the best use is to drain shields while enemies use their melee, and then back away while they recover, and shoot them in the face

Siege pulse, can be used as a defense, and when you don't need the defense can be fired at enemies for decent damage, using it after it has cooled down lets you restore it immediately, so you should be firing it fairly often, don't not fire it, as it can be restored easily, and extra damage is extra damage

Hex shield, be careful with this, if you use it badly you can reduce the team's firepower by blocking allies from shooting, do not block routs entirely if you don't have to, and placing it on the right half of a hallway so that most of it is hidden in the wall, but just enough is out to protect you is better than blocking everybody from shooting,
do note that explosives still do damage through the shield

The turret, it has uses, it can restore shields and shoot enemies, but I don't find it as useful as his other abilities, it only restores a small amount of his own shields, and doesn't have the best damage output, but if you find you like it then feel free to use it,

SHOOT YOUR GUN, if you aren't doing anything else you should be shooting, it is better to keep bosses at a distance while shooting them than to do the puggernaut thing, which is to run at the most dangerous enemy, not shooting, throw up a shield to prevent the team from shooting the boss, and trying to melee it to death, It does not work.

"And yet they keep trying"

I have basically been saying don't tank with the tank, and that is important, of course you will need to tank sometimes, but killing enemies is more valuable than simply distracting them, so unless you need to tank, avoid tanking.

Modifié par MGW7, 29 janvier 2014 - 06:50 .


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MGW7 wrote...
alrighty then, first you've unlocked the hurricane, which is an excellent top tier weapon, and can be used stand alone on most kits with no trouble at all


Yeah I'm not sure if I got lucky or what.  I got that out of one of the free packs I got when I first started looking at the online stuff.   Same for the Juggernaut.  

I've tried the Hurricane, but to be honest it's a bit hard to use, the low accuracy and massive RoF doesn't suit the way I like to play.  I really like the Vindicator for example.  But I'll try and get better with the Hurricane.  :)

Next you have unlocked the juggernaut, lots of people will be very annoyed if you use it badly


Thanks for the advice, I'll give it a try sometime, but from what little I saw of it I'm not sure it suits my style of play.  I prefer quick/nimble movement with decent damage done from mid to long range.

Which from what I saw means the Infiltrator might be a good one for me to try out next.

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Yes, the packs are completely random, so playing a certain class doesn't limit anything as far as the store goes.

Every kit has its strengths and weaknesses; it's all about what you find works best for you and your play style. Best thing to do is to play a few matches with everything you unlock to get a taste of it.

Also, there is a thread linked in my signature (that is also a sticky topic near the top of this forum) called The ME3 MP Resource Library. It's a lot of links and probably seems overwhelming, but checking out some of the threads in there will help you tremendously. I would recommend starting near the top in the first section, which has things like beginner's guides and ideas for character builds. Image IPB

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Also, there is a thread linked in my signature (that is also a sticky topic near the top of this forum) called The ME3 MP Resource Library.


Thanks, i've been looking though it already.  Lots of information but in a way too much, it can be hard to find the answer to a few questions when ther'es that much info spread over so many topics.