23 réponses à ce sujet

[Angarma]

(Warning: spoilers for Dragon Age: Awakening & Dragon Age 2, read on as you wish)

The Disciples, as well known, are a sub-strain of intelligent Darkspawn which appeared in the
Dragon Age: Origins expansion, Awakening. They originate from the Architect's tests in giving
Grey Warden blood to regular Darkspawn. And as such, are killable, along with their leader(s).



It could be presumed by the end of Awakening that there is some few remaining Disciples,
were it that the Architect was slain. To add to this, Seranni is unkillable. Together, these two
remnant parties, I'm sure, could progress the Architect's work. Resolving continuity issues.

As well:

This could potentially fill in who exactly provides the Grey Wardens with the information (and
perhaps aid) used by Nathaniel Howe's party in the Dragon Age 2 quest, Finding Nathaniel-
when in such a universe, the Warden had killed The Architect (creating hypothetical ambiguity).



So what are peoples' thoughts about the Disciples perhaps returning in Dragon Age: Inquisition?
Were you friend to these morose monstrosities? Did you find their bitterly naive brutality, creepy at all?
If they come back, would you be their enemy? And notably, how do you think they could have evolved, lorewise?

(Just for note, I was inspired to make this thread after mistaking the second guy on the top left here, as a Disciple).

[Hrungr]

I hope the Disciples return in DA:I, I was a little disappointed we didn't see any in DA2.

As far as the Architect goes... I torn. He's an interesting character, and on that merit I've spared him in some playthroughs, despite what we know of his goals in the Calling. That said, I usually spare the Architect's Disciple and let him roam around as a "wandering hero".

On a somewhat related note, the dwarves of Kal-Sharok may be tainted, but have found a way to retain their sanity. How that might factor in is anyone's guess...

"...As curious as I was, there was an undercurrent I found unsettling. I must stress that he and his helpers were professional and honest throughout. But there was something I can't describe. While he remained hooded the entire time, he looked me square in the eye when our deal was struck, unashamed.

I lived through a time of Blight. I've felt the gaze of a Grey Warden and seen the corruption of his prey. Why I remembered both in that moment, I still can't explain."
—On meeting Novas Sturhald in Kal-Sharok, excerpted from the journals of Ser Evrain Abernache, noble merchant-scholar

[Spectre slayer]

I think it's unlikely we'll see them in DAI, given the fact that they've said the darkspawn won't really be active or pro active in DAI though they'll be a presence and a threat but that's about it.

There's already a ton of stuff going on in DAI and I think they'll save it for another game in this story arc with no limited amount of games, I'm really wondering just how long this series will continue for and when they'll have another blight planned, what they'll do with the darkspawn including the disciples, the architect, corypheues, and a bunch of other things like the Qunari invasion.

[St. Victorious]

I do believe tying up some of the many loose ends is a stated goals for DAI. If the plot allows(and we do seem to be getting a Warden companion) then I wouldn't mind a return.

[thetinyevil]

I hope not. Those damn things along with the Children gave me nightmares for a month.

[Spectre slayer]

Yes but they didn't say they would be able to get them all and that some of them they'll let hang for a little longer but yes they'll tie up some loose ends and create new ones in DAI.

The wardens do have a role in the game and are up to something really suspicious, and yes we might be gettinga grey warden companion but that doesn't necessarily mean they'll be able to fit the darkspawn in it or that whatever the wardens are doing involves them, especially with Laidlaws statement that they'll neither be active or pro active and as much as I want to see it continued I think they'll save it for latter, possibly next game which could be very interesting.

[Maiden Crowe]

I know! Why not have an Awakened Darkspawn as a companion and LI? I bet nobody has ever suggested that before.

[Angarma]

Excuse me for the late reply, had to get some shut eye after I made this thread.

Now I find this thought about the Grey Warden companion interesting.
For it's definitely an avenue to introduce the Disciples into Dragon Age: Inquisition.
Not to mention that the Abyssal Rift should be an easy way to draw them in, plot wise.

That's if it is in the game, mind, but I don't see why not.
After all, we have seen gameplay featured in the Western Approach.
It's also known the Veil is exceptionally thin there, giving interest to it.

To state, I'm easily imagining a plot here for the Inquisitor to perhaps team up with the Disciples
to investigate the Veil in the area. If somehow closed, it would provide the Disciples with an
open connection to the desolate land above- and give them a limitless supply of Darkspawn.

[Anvos]

Trusting talky spawn is a bad idea, plus they still spread the blight so no.

[Knight of Dane]

Hope we never see them again

[Aren]

Disciples are awesome by far more than the mindless archdemon.

Each enemy of DAA was more interesting than the most of DAO (aside from Loghain,but he is not even an enemy to me) each of them is unique and precious i want to see the Disciples again,if sparing the Architect means to have more disciples than i will do it immediately.

[X Equestris]

There have been hints about the Deep Roads and Darkspawn possibly being involved in the next story dlc, so I wouldn't rule it out.

[Orian Tabris]

When I first read the title, I thought it was referring to the Disciples of Andraste. Therefore, the Disciples of Andraste must have been turned into darkspawn known as "disciples" by The Architect, save for the Guardian. Half-Life 3 confirmed! Oh, wait... wrong franchise.

[DarkKnightHolmes]

 

Disciples are awesome by far more than the mindless archdemon.

Each enemy of DAA was more interesting than the most of DAO (aside from Loghain,but he is not even an enemy to me) each of them is unique and precious i want to see the Disciples again,if sparing the Architect means to have more disciples than i will do it immediately.

 

You forgot this man from DAO.

 

[leaguer of one]

You forgot this man from DAO.

 

you mean choke purple guy..because i want to do that till he is will Purple..

[Daerog]

Their very nature opposes life-as-it-is in Thedas.

 

They can not coexist with other people. At best, they can stay deep in the world and never bother the surface, but that still leaves the dwarves having to deal with them.

 

My Warden knew well enough to listen to the Messenger and then execute him, and then proceed to kill the Architect and Mother. Once the darkspawn are all gone, then the GWs will have to end.

 

It's sad since they are aware of themselves, but that doesn't change their nature.

 

Edit: Still, they are a good element to the drama of the world. I really liked the Architect (moreso in the novel, Awakening was meh), but no way a reasonable Warden (imo) would let him/it go.

[Orian Tabris]

I thought this was going to be about the Disciples of Andraste

 

Mm. Me too. I figured it was to be more conjecture on the lore/history behind them. Unfortunately, unless we get to go back to the Gauntlet, I doubt the Disciples will make any return.

 

When I first read the title, I thought it was referring to the Disciples of Andraste.

 

If the darkspawn disciples do return, we're likely to see them in a minor quest, or else, maybe a main quest where their lack of an appearance isn't going to stick out in any way. At best, we'll get DLC that has two different versions: 1 where the Architect and "his" disciples are at its centre, and 1 where the Grey Wardens are at its centre.

[sylvanaerie]

My Surana left the Messenger alive but killed the Architect and all the other other darkspawn, disciples included whenever she had a chance.  My King Cousland killed them all, and burned Amaranthine to the ground to boot (he was a bit of a hard-ass).  I don't see Nathaniel as having anything to do with them but Bioware has done stranger things so I won't discount those as the 'source of information', and at one point, his encounter dialogue was bugged in that he referred to even a dead Architect as alive.  I'm thinking more it was Seranni than any of the disciples themselves since she at least would have ties through her sister to the GWs, IF Velanna was recruited.

 

Aside from the Messenger, I haven't left any of them alive on any playthrough, even my keep with the 'as screwed up as I could get it' story didn't have much impact on Inquisition.

 

We may hear more but since the focus of the story seems to be leaving southern Thedas and going north, I don't think we will get much.  A side quest or codex entry I'm thinking at most.

[xPez]

Personally I think the Architect will be back regardless of whether or not you killed him.

 

He's confirmed as an Ancient Magister, so it's not a stretch to imagine that he has the same body hopping powers as Cory.

 

Also, as with Leliana, they bring back dead characters when it suits the story anyway.

[Antergaton]

Checking the wikia, one of the Architect's Disciples is still alive, The Seeker. It's only mentioned in writing, you never get the chance to kill it. Of course if I'm going that far, The Prankster from DA:Legends is too.

 

It would be really interesting to see one of these guys as a companion in a new game. They'd hide their true nature though with a suit of armour most the game. Their entire story could revolve around trying to 'fit in' while not being able to actually fit in. Then a Grey Warden shows up, can sense them and their cover blown etc.

[Daerog]

Why would they try/want to fit in?

They will likely go Archie's route of saying they want peace, but knowing that's impossible without blighting the whole world, and so they fool people or get others to go with the blighting idea.

Or, they'll just gather their own army and broodmothers to carve out their own underground kingdoms, raiding the surface strategically for more broodmothers.

[Swaggerjking]

[quote name="Daerog" post="19046107" timestamp="

Or, they'll just gather their own army and broodmothers to carve out their own underground kingdoms, raiding the surface strategically for more broodmothers.[/quote]This is why I never understand why people want to have peace with the darkspawn. We have no idea of the life span of a broodmother but if they aren't immortal they are going have do horrible things to some random women. I am not ok with that. I rather kill them and hope they die out
Tbh if anyone is going to be stealing our women it better be the guy from the city elf origin or crazy blood or us playing a horrible villain

[turuzzusapatuttu]

I thought this was going to be about the Disciples of Andraste

 

Honestly, I thought it was going to be about the Disciples as a romance option for DA4...