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[TheKomandorShepard]

Spectre slayer wrote...

I really could just keep going but whether they appear or not they still disappear and that disappearence plot line will be used no matter what, I really don't get this headcanon thing I mean they've said once we're done playing them that's it and they are no longer ours and they don't have the capability to read minds to know what a person considers headcanon so they will disregard those.

It's pretty much a case of you say, this person says, that person says, Gaider says in which case Gaider trumps us, all of those are from him and indicate that they might use the no matter what, might contravene the headcanon thing tthough they might not completely violate the stuff in the epilogues that doesn't include your and other peoples headcanon.

People with specific headcanons are going to be the ones the most angry with this though I'm not sure why people do it since it's not a very good idea for all those reasons.

As for how they might have them appear, who knows but it seems some assume that that won't use them which isn't the case, or assume the worset case scenario when we have no information on how they might handle their physical appearance, they will give them a voice, their personality etc why don't people just wait for more info.

As for Morrigan she has a fairly significant role in DAI and her fate will likely be decided.

Playing your character and choosing isn't headcanon as far i renember there were dialogues to express personality or things that warden will do after... even such thing one warden would stay loyal to grey wardens and work for them my didn't and expressed in every possible dialogue and what he want do in future i could chose that in the end and even epilogue was consistent with that so no headcanon.Warden wasn't npc he/she didn't had own personality it was blank character left to player to fill so as i said trying put "the warden" as npc is guaranteed failure because there is not much we can say about that character...

[KC_Prototype]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

They should do with warden pretty much what other devs mostly do with blank protagonists in rpg games left them alone with open ending so everyone headcanon what is doing their warden... i have little reason to see character that i shaped appeard as alien npc.

Bioware could do a physical appearance if they wanted to and who knows, they might or might not. All I know is that headcanon is useless.

[KC_Prototype]

sylvanaerie wrote...

My warden is either: traveling as a grey warden with Leliana, ruling Ferelden with Anora, at King Alistair's side, traveling with Grey Warden Alistair or dead.  I never romanced Morrigan, and your post doesn't address anyone who isn't in a relationship with her.   What if your warden couldn't stand the **** and told her get the hell out of camp, not even befriending her?  Frankly, I couldn't care less what Morrigan is doing to be honest, my warden has other things going on in his/her life than worrying about her. Once the decision was made, it was made. Domestic duties with the baby mama wasn't on the warden's agenda, even if it's what he wanted.

Origins is a very personal game to me, I don't want 'generic warden #6' popping up in Inquisition gushing over Morrigan's baby. How on earth would they implement this? 1) The original PC had no voice. 2) The original graphics engine won't be used so the warden won't look how he/she was originally created AND suddenly now he/she has a voice that won't be what I envisioned when reading the text of her answers in DA:O.

No, I have no desire for Bioware to attempt to integrate a physical presence of my warden in this game, in any context. I'm content just hearing 'rumors' or reading in a codex somewhere about his/her exploits. This includes Morrigan mentioning him in passing if he is her child's father.

OGB isn't canon, so it may be entirely possible no mention is made at all as it will in all likelihood have little impact other than background for Morrigan on the story. We don't even know what role she will be playing. Early concept art of DA2 showed a white haired witchy woman with horns/horned headdress and people on the boards went speculating it was 1) Future Morrigan 2) Grown up OGB. I said "that's Flemeth" and a lot of people just laughed at me. It did turn out to be Flemeth and she had only a scattering of dialogue lines, amounting to little impact on the overall story aside from getting Hawke out of Ferelden. It may be Morrigan has a similar role in DAI. We already know she's not slated to be a companion, I suspect her role will be small as well.

I'd rather have Bioware devote resources on new content, not rehashing old stuff just for nostalgia's sake.

Your Warden did have a voice, remember in character creation? Let that be their voice in DA:I and if Bioware would let us recreate our Wardens then the problem is solved!

[Spectre slayer]

TheKomandorShepard wrote...

Spectre slayer wrote...
I really could just keep going but whether they appear or not they still disappear and that disappearence plot line will be used no matter what, I really don't get this headcanon thing I mean they've said once we're done playing them that's it and they are no longer ours and they don't have the capability to read minds to know what a person considers headcanon so they will disregard those.

It's pretty much a case of you say, this person says, that person says, Gaider says in which case Gaider trumps us, all of those are from him and indicate that they might use the no matter what, might contravene the headcanon thing tthough they might not completely violate the stuff in the epilogues that doesn't include your and other peoples headcanon.

People with specific headcanons are going to be the ones the most angry with this though I'm not sure why people do it since it's not a very good idea for all those reasons.

As for how they might have them appear, who knows but it seems some assume that that won't use them which isn't the case, or assume the worset case scenario when we have no information on how they might handle their physical appearance, they will give them a voice, their personality etc why don't people just wait for more info.

As for Morrigan she has a fairly significant role in DAI and her fate will likely be decided.

Playing your character and choosing isn't headcanon as far i renember there were dialogues to express personality or things that warden will do after... even such thing one warden would stay loyal to grey wardens and work for them my didn't and expressed in every possible dialogue and what he want do in future i could chose that in the end and even epilogue was consistent with that so no headcanon.Warden wasn't npc he/she didn't had own personality it was blank character left to player to fill so as i said trying put "the warden" as npc is guaranteed failure because there is not much we can say about that character... 

I never said it was, headcanoning is when someone takes everything in the epilogues at absolute face value and create very specific scenarios and things that they're doing that's basically fuled by their imaginationls after all of the content stops and thinks bioware is somehow supposed to take it out of their heads or something or give complete control over their future's to them and anything that doesn't follow that then they don't want it or saying that they shouldn't use them because of reason x or y or that they don't want it or think their wardens won't do that.

Like the person I replied to who has something very specific in mind that bioware already contraindicated by saying they disappear, to be honest with you it's pretty useless. Gaider gave an example of this by saying that if we romanced Isabella they traveled together forever never being an option, same goes with the rest of them we were together doing what for how long until we were forced to leave for plot reasons.

A consort or mistress or queen will still vanish but after differing time frames, a warden traveling with their LI will still vanish and be separated from them, a warden helping the wardens rebuild will vanish after a certain point and every single warden whose alive by the interrogation has vanished no matter what without exception.

Some we loose track of sooner than other's, if you romanced Morrigan and did the ritual and went through the Eluvian the last person saw of you was in 9:32 dragon, a queen or mistress was in Fereldan waiting for Alistair's return in 9:37 dragon and Alistair went on his quest in 9:38 dragon so it's likely they separated before that, others are vague or nonexistent hintd or rumors.

Once the content for that character stops and we put the controllers down they become theirs, and everything in between the game's and their future's is up to bioware whether they appear or not, we know what they think of headcanoning and they may violate them of contravene them for plot reasons.

Modifié par Spectre slayer, 01 février 2014 - 05:57 .

[Dargon Affected]

KC_Prototype wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

/snip/

Your Warden did have a voice, remember in character creation? Let that be their voice in DA:I and if Bioware would let us recreate our Wardens then the problem is solved!

Too bad half of them are annoying as balls. after hearing "can I get you a ladder so you can get of my back?" for the hundredth time I got pretty sick of my wardens voice. they could include it in the Keep but that might be considered a major spoiler.

[KC_Prototype]

Dragon Effected wrote...

KC_Prototype wrote...

sylvanaerie wrote...

/snip/

Your Warden did have a voice, remember in character creation? Let that be their voice in DA:I and if Bioware would let us recreate our Wardens then the problem is solved!

Too bad half of them are annoying as balls. after hearing "can I get you a ladder so you can get of my back?" for the hundredth time I got pretty sick of my wardens voice. they could include it in the Keep but that might be considered a major spoiler.

Yeah but it would work and that would be great for the Keep even though it would be a spoiler, it would let us know the Warden will make at least a cameo and if they gave a separate character creator, then we could recreate the Warden.

[wolfsite]

David Gaider wrote...

MevenSelas wrote...

David Gaider: “Yes. The various states that Morrigan can be in – of which there can be quite a few, because we don’t know when to stop when it comes to making decisions – they’re all recognized. Whether or not they have the ultimate effect like the kind of reactivity someone imagines, that depends on the person. But we do recognize them and it does play a role of varying degrees depending on the surroundings.”

This is true. I should point out as well, however, that Inquisition is not "Dragon Age: Origins - the Warden's Continued Adventures". If one's question begins with "Will my Warden be able to...?" the answer is very likely, "no."

We need to frame this statement somewhere.

[KaiserShep]

I'm pretty much hoping that neither the Warden or Hawke ever show up. Hawke would likely be easier to implement, being a voiced protagonist, but I'd probably be pretty irked to see them return in any capacity. I'd much rather they disappear into my imagination than be cast off with a cameo.

[sylvanaerie]

KC_Prototype wrote...

Your Warden did have a voice, remember in character creation? Let that be their voice in DA:I and if Bioware would let us recreate our Wardens then the problem is solved!

You missed the point of my post.  Okay say they DO hunt down the actors who did the original snippets of dialogue for the 'wardens' voices'.  I don't know about anyone else, but while I enjoyed hearing Teagan's VA say he was "cloaking his naked villiany" 90% of those voices I found too annoying to even use.  Even assuming some are repeated actors used on other voices (I know for one that Tim Watson did Male Human Violent, and the same guy who did Jowan did MH Suave), you're looking at approximately 20-25 actors (they would have to be used for each gender/race/personality).  That means getting them to the studio, recording however few lines they have to deliver, paying them for content that (may or may not) even be included and possibly only about 5 minutes of actual air time in specific scenarios that (we'll go with a generous estimation here) 75% of people would actually see.  (I get the figure assuming that at least 3 out of every 4 wardens is still alive at the end of origins since we got 4 resolutions to the blight, one of them being the US).  

Making the warden up in the CC for Inquisition is even more horrifying.  Getting the players to design a SECOND character in the middle of the game (if they do it prior then hey, cat's out of the bag then, and there goes the surprise of YAY we see a character we played in Origins) would be extremely disruptive to immersion (for me at least).  Bad enough they pulled that crap with the beginning of DA2.  The other downside to that is, it's a new engine so he/she won't look like the original (especially if you were someone who used a lot of mods, I know I wasn't the only one).   So it becomes generic red haired elf woman-warden #6 showing up as 'my warden' in the game for all of a single encounter probably lasting as little as 5 minutes.  Because this isn't the warden's story, its the Inquisitor's.  Why should they? Inquisitor would have no reason to know the warden or any of the companions with the warden unless reintroduced in the context of someone they met and interacted with.  

And what of those who didn't play origins or DA2, and DAI is their first encounter with the franchise?  They would be making up a character in CC they feel zero connection to, but will be 'required' to because they need to make a warden to show up in their game.

The point I was trying to make (and this is my opinion, not emphatic truth or anything) is: No, better I hear only rumors or encounter a codex somewhere and let the warden slip away into legend, moving the story forward, not taking a huge step back to play a character who isn't pertinent to the ongoing tale.  Which, as I said is the inquisitor's story NOT the warden's.

Modifié par sylvanaerie, 01 février 2014 - 10:06 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

Spectre slayer wrote...


I never said it was, headcanoning is when someone takes everything in the epilogues at absolute face value and create very specific scenarios and things that they're doing that's basically fuled by their imaginationls after all of the content stops and thinks bioware is somehow supposed to take it out of their heads or something or give complete control over their future's to them and anything that doesn't follow that then they don't want it or saying that they shouldn't use them because of reason x or y or that they don't want it or think their wardens won't do that.

Like the person I replied to who has something very specific in mind that bioware already contraindicated by saying they disappear, to be honest with you it's pretty useless. Gaider gave an example of this by saying that if we romanced Isabella they traveled together forever never being an option, same goes with the rest of them we were together doing what for how long until we were forced to leave for plot reasons.

A consort or mistress or queen will still vanish but after differing time frames, a warden traveling with their LI will still vanish and be separated from them, a warden helping the wardens rebuild will vanish after a certain point and every single warden whose alive by the interrogation has vanished no matter what without exception.

Some we loose track of sooner than other's, if you romanced Morrigan and did the ritual and went through the Eluvian the last person saw of you was in 9:32 dragon, a queen or mistress was in Fereldan waiting for Alistair's return in 9:37 dragon and Alistair went on his quest in 9:38 dragon so it's likely they separated before that, others are vague or nonexistent hintd or rumors.

Once the content for that character stops and we put the controllers down they become theirs, and everything in between the game's and their future's is up to bioware whether they appear or not, we know what they think of headcanoning and they may violate them of contravene them for plot reasons.

As far i renember what warden was doing isn't headcanon we can choose that and it is up to us as well by choosing dialogue options we shape personality and point of view of our character bio can't copy that so thats why i don't want them back as every warden is different so only my character will be destroyed to get random npc.

About leliana romance , isabela or others i care little they were defined characters with single personality that i never could control or shape their personality at best affect that.So i don't have any problem with them leaving or break up with our pc or anything that li will do. I chosed my warden to travel and i many time supported this by dialogue options is he doing that with li or without couldn't care less i never controled li but i know that i could warden and choose that option. 

And not rly theirs as far i don't renember DG or others devs playing game instead me creating "my" warden because as far that i shaped that character and decided how s/he was and no one beyond me know that as well many other players.Sure they can put grey warden into game but that will serve nothing more than simple destroying pc and ignoring our choices as it , if you want to do that they should stop bother with import and "choices matter" and make game canonical.   

[SgtSteel91]

One, highly unlikely, way to have the Warden intractable is by giving the Warden a dialogue wheel of his/her own.

So you end up with having to choose what the Inquisitor and Warden says in a conversation.

[TheKomandorShepard]

SgtSteel91 wrote...

One, highly unlikely, way to have the Warden intractable is by giving the Warden a dialogue wheel of his/her own.

So you end up with having to choose what the Inquisitor and Warden says in a conversation.

They said already if warden will appear we won't able control him/her it will be npc like any other with own personality... one reason why i don't warden

[masster blaster]

They said already if warden will appear we won't able control him/her it will be npc like any other with own personality... one reason why i don't warden

it is bad, yet hopeful. I rather have that then the Warden doing nothing while everything is in chaos. This can go for Hawke as well i guess.

[SofaJockey]

@x-aizen-x: if you're asking about the Warden, I highly doubt he'll give you an answer.

 

Mike Laidlaw already gave two answers about the warden.

 

To paraphrase the slogan:

 

"BioWare can only reveal to one person per day (maximum)

Today is not your day.

Tomorrow doesn't look good either"

 

 

I'm sure it will all be fine, we are still more than three months out...

[The Elder King]

Mike Laidlaw already gave two answers about the warden.
 
To paraphrase the slogan:
 
"BioWare can only reveal to one person per day (maximum)
Today is not your day.
Tomorrow doesn't look good either"
 

 
I'm sure it will all be fine, we are still more than three months out...

Already? Over six months passed .

[SofaJockey]

And on the Hawke/warden cameos.

 

I would be expecting simple plot driven exposition:

 

"It a ****ing huge dragon, let's hit it with all we have...

<<splat!!>>"

 

not

 

"It a ****ing huge dragon, let's hit it with all we have..."

"and tell <insert love interest> if I don't make it back he/she must leave Ferelden (with all those gifts we shared [list]) or he/she will regret it.

Maybe not today. Maybe not tomorrow, but soon and for the rest of his/her life.

And about us? We’ll always have the Pearl..."

<<splat!!>>"

[Kantr]

Why did you bump this post? :S

[Fishy]

I just want to have an hint of why two of the most powerful warrior of Thedas (If not the  most powerful) just ''vanished''. I get it. Thedas is big and vast and they could be on some island playing hide and seek with a giant turtle or prisoner in the black city. But just ''hey they're busy somewhere. Doing something not so much important while the world is at war''. Especially weird if you romanced either Leliana or Morrigan. Even Varric has the time to help the Inquisition.

 

Just make sense. Killing them off is too easy. It's too lazy. My Warden was basically a god by the end of Awakening. If he's dead they better make sense ;p.

[BloodyTalon]

I personally can't wait to see M's state if you stabbed her and didn't weaken her mother by slaying her in the wilds.

The Warden commander's story is over so doubt it matters if the two seek each other out again.