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[x-aizen-x]

Ok one thing I never understood was how mages were surpressed so long. Were talking about beings who have acees to an almost unlimited amount of power good or bad. I mean come if were being real about it. 1 templar cannot be a adept lvl mage 1 on 1. Mages can learns spells that basicly allows them to control space and time. Read the codex on some of the legendary mages of thedas. The furthess a templar can go is being is be a freakin hurrican in combat. But pit that sword, mace, greatsword, axe, sword and sheild, duel weilding templar againts mage who can sumon thunderstorms and earthquakes...you see my point.

Its like Darth sidious vs bobba fett. One is a master of the Dark side the other has a gun. So how HOW were the templars able to surpress the mages like that. An army of 100 templars cannot be an army of 10 Super powerful Master mages. now unless were nurfing them then of course the templars will stand a chance.

OK now before you start pulling meradith out your *bleep* let me ask you this. would meradith have been able to do any of that fullmetal alchimest stuff if she did not have a >>>>>>>MAGICAL<<<<<< red lyrium sword. Plus she could not even weild it for long. Mages can create brand new spells just by experamenting.



Now somthing like an arishock vs a master mage... mabey if the arishock got close. But come on please tell.


You have a Master mage standing 50 yards away from a knight commander templar weilding a sword and a sheild. Unless the mage just stands there i dont see the templar wining. By the time he gets to the mage the mage will have shot waves of fire,lighting,ice, mabey some illusions and OMG if the mage is a blood mage.
This is the reason im pro-mage all the way 100%. Its because the templars are not match for the mages.
We are clearly surperrior. It true that magic exsit to serve men and not to rule over the,. but it doe snot mean that mages have to be ruled over. We LET the templars hold use in towers. There were just to scared of their own power to fight back. There is nothing wrong with blood magic because its a natural power we mages have acess to. The only true threat is that we need a way to over come the demons possesing us. Then there will be no problem.  For peaks sake they have to resort injecting themselves with lyrium just to have a chance. I think these red templars are doing what meradith did by using red lyrium to give themselves powers in fact im going to call it.


RED TEMPLARS ARE USING RED LYRIUM TO GIVE THEMSELVES ENHANCHED STRENGHT SPEED AND STUFF. AND IN DAI THE LEADERS OF THE RED TEMPLARS WILL HAVE POWERS JUST LIKE MERADITH AND MABEY EVEN STRONGER. EITHER WAY I PREDICT AN ARMY OF SUPER POWERFUL STONE MOVING TEMPLARS. THEY MUST BE COPYING MERADITH. X-AIZEN-X CALLED IT.

HAHAHaHAA at least then they will increases their chances by 2%


We WILL crush the templars!!!!!!!!!!


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[Hanako Ikezawa]

From the Codex: Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic in addition to their formidable combat talents, the templars are uniquely qualified to act as both a foil for apostates - mages who refuse to submit to the authority of the Circle - and a first line of defense against the dark powers of blood mages and abominations.

So answer is yes, the average Templar can beat the average mage 1 on 1.

As a side note, we all know Boba Fett would beat Darth Sidious. And Meredith did nothing even close to Fullmetal Alchemist stuff. 

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 31 janvier 2014 - 06:44 .

[x-aizen-x]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

From the Codex: Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic in addition to their formidable combat talents, the templars are uniquely qualified to act as both a foil for apostates - mages who refuse to submit to the authority of the Circle - and a first line of defense against the dark powers of blood mages and abominations.

So answer is yes, the average Templar can beat the average mage 1 on 1.

As a side note, we all know Boba Fett would beat Darth Sidious. And Meredith did nothing even close to Fullmetal Alchemist stuff. 

Boba fett would beat sidious? lol u must be a little kid. what would he do if sidious used the force or force lighting.


Dispel magic what templar have u seen that can stop fire balls falling from the sky. all you did was post the purpose of the templars. other than that u have no argument

[Hanako Ikezawa]

x-aizen-x wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

From the Codex: Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic in addition to their formidable combat talents, the templars are uniquely qualified to act as both a foil for apostates - mages who refuse to submit to the authority of the Circle - and a first line of defense against the dark powers of blood mages and abominations.

So answer is yes, the average Templar can beat the average mage 1 on 1.

As a side note, we all know Boba Fett would beat Darth Sidious. And Meredith did nothing even close to Fullmetal Alchemist stuff. 

Boba fett would beat sidious? lol u must be a little kid. what would he do if sidious used the force or force lighting.


Dispel magic what templar have u seen that can stop fire balls falling from the sky. all you did was post the purpose of the templars. other than that u have no argument

Boba would be smart and bring a Ysalamir with him, thus making the Emperor unable to use the Force and just making him an old man.

The Templar are "Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic". The Templar specialty evenhas a move that does that.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 31 janvier 2014 - 06:53 .

[darkchief10]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

From the Codex: Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic in addition to their formidable combat talents, the templars are uniquely qualified to act as both a foil for apostates - mages who refuse to submit to the authority of the Circle - and a first line of defense against the dark powers of blood mages and abominations.

So answer is yes, the average Templar can beat the average mage 1 on 1.

As a side note, we all know Boba Fett would beat Darth Sidious. And Meredith did nothing even close to Fullmetal Alchemist stuff. 

Bobba fett was able to go toe to toe with darth vader and would have killed him if hadn't felt it would have been inconvenient to become enemies with sidious. so yeah:whistle:

on topic, spells take time to cast, and their mana runs out, a  templar can kill two mages, before the third completes casting, only to notice his/her magic has been cut off.

[KiwiQuiche]

'Cause having a bunch of drug-addled religions goons round them up as children, indoctrinating them to how terrible and gross they are and watching them 24/7 seemed like a legit plan for the ****** Chantry.

Modifié par KiwiQuiche, 31 janvier 2014 - 06:55 .

[TheKomandorShepard]

If we are realistic most mages are just guys in robes that can use weaker version of lamethrower not move
continents or do that. I think that many see mages in dragon age as reality wrapers that control reality and no one can chalange them when in reality most can do nothing more than throw piece of ice at you some can't even do that.   

[Hanako Ikezawa]

darkchief10 wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

From the Codex: Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic in addition to their formidable combat talents, the templars are uniquely qualified to act as both a foil for apostates - mages who refuse to submit to the authority of the Circle - and a first line of defense against the dark powers of blood mages and abominations.

So answer is yes, the average Templar can beat the average mage 1 on 1.

As a side note, we all know Boba Fett would beat Darth Sidious. And Meredith did nothing even close to Fullmetal Alchemist stuff. 

Bobba fett was able to go toe to toe with darth vader and would have killed him if hadn't felt it would have been inconvenient to become enemies with sidious. so yeah:whistle:

on topic, spells take time to cast, and their mana runs out, a  templar can kill two mages, before the third completes casting, only to notice his/her magic has been cut off.

Exactly. He took on and defeated Starkiller, who was stronger than Vader who was stronger than Sidious. Boba just played it smart since he is a bounty hunter and the Empire has the fattest wallet.

Also yes, Templars can strike immediately while mages need a prep time per attack.

Modifié par LDS Darth Revan, 31 janvier 2014 - 08:08 .

[Iron Fist]

x-aizen-x wrote...

Boba fett would beat sidious? lol u must be a little kid. what would he do if sidious used the force or force lighting.

Palpatine wouldn't have time to use the Force. The thermal detonators already killed him.  

Modifié par MevenSelas, 31 janvier 2014 - 06:58 .

[Trav-O]

I've been a mage in both released versions of DA (fire and lightning are good friends). I've never been a fan of the Circle of Magi and the Templars idea, since it never imposed on my will of the player. By making mage selectable, it warped my perspective and pulls from the tension narrative wishes to create. Repressed? Locked in a tower? Nope, player mage is out living their life, deciding which side to help or not. No Templar too tough to put the fear of the Chantry in me.

Modifié par Trav-O, 31 janvier 2014 - 07:07 .

[HiroVoid]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

'Cause having a bunch of drug-addled religions goons round them up as children, indoctrinating them to how terrible and gross they are and watching them 24/7 seemed like a legit plan for the ****** Chantry.

Smarter than you think apparently since it worked for about a millenium which is longer than a lot of organizations can say.

[The Hierophant]

Not all mages are equally talented or are limitless in their ability to draw mana.

Mana is that which defines a mage. It is potential that dwells within a person but does not always manifest itself. All men are connected to the Fade; we go there to dream. But only those with this potential may draw upon its power.

Mana is, then, a measurement of one's ability to draw power from the Fade, and it is this power that is expended in magic.

As in all other things, it has limits. Just as a man has the strength to lift only so much weight and no more, a mage cannot work more magic at one time than his mana allows. If he wishes to work magic that would be beyond his strength, a mage must bolster his mana with lyrium. Without lyrium, it is possible for the reckless to expend their own life-force in the working of magic, and occasionally, ambitious apprentices injure or even kill themselves by over-exertion.

http://dragonage.wik...he_Use_of_Magic

[Grieving Natashina]

KiwiQuiche wrote...

'Cause having a bunch of drug-addled religions goons round them up as children, indoctrinating them to how terrible and gross they are and watching them 24/7 seemed like a legit plan for the ****** Chantry.

This made me laugh harder than it should've.   I'll add my serious thoughts regarding the thread later, but thanks Kiwi for the giggle! 

[thats1evildude]

x-aizen-x wrote...

Mages can learns spells that basicly allows them to control space and time.

Mages in Thedas have very strict limitations on their power. They can't, as you put it, control space and time. They can't teleport. They can't bring back the dead (jamming spirits into corpses notwithstanding).

And while some mages are indeed very powerful, not all mages were created equal. There are some who struggle to cast even minor spells; those tend to be the mages who become Tranquil or die during their Harrowing.

[Maria Caliban]

Mages are powerful, but an experienced warrior can shrug off a fireball to the face while an experienced rogue can sneak behind a mage and slice them open before they know to cast a spell.

[Realmzmaster]

If mages are so powerful why hasn't Tevinter beaten the Qunari and turn them into slaves? Why haven't the mages taken out the dwarves? Could it be that dwarves have a resistance to magic and have a high tolerance to lyrium?
The problem that a mage has is that any spell requires time to cast. In that time a templar will close any distance between the templar and the mage which can mean one dead mage. Or an archer will loose an arrow. So who will be faster the archer or the mage? My bet is on the archer.

What about the rogue templar who can hide in the shadows? How will the mage detect his/her presence before he/she strikes?

[Orian Tabris]

Mages? Realistic? If you wanna talk realism, mages don't exist.

As far as realism in Dragon Age goes, apparently, mages are about as powerful as templars, but their power is actually noted. I say apparently, because in the cutscene where the templars attack the Kirkwall mages, the templars seem to do as well fighting as the mages do. However, when you look at it, I mean really look at it, you have to wonder why some of the mages let the templars get so close to them. Is it because they are scared and not prepared to fight them? Is it because they have poor aim? Yes. Is it because the templars used their own "magic" to prevent them from fighting? No.

Are templars meant to be powerful? That's what we're meant to believe. The only time we've ever seen a templar be powerful, is when Meredith dispels the magic that Saarebas was about to use on Hawke and co. All she did was dispel him behind his back, then used non-templar training to kill him. The cast time for mages, is about the only thing that templars have over them, besides dispel magic.

I haven't seen templars anymore useful in non-scene based combat than any other warrior. Granted, I usually play Reaver (and never Templar) when I play a warrior, and in scene based combat, being hit is a lot more serious.

@darkchief10. You make it sound like templars are ninja(s?). If there were 3 mages vs. 1 templar, the templar would have less than 5% (83.5% of all statistics are made up on the spot) chance of killing all 3. If 1 is busy casting a spell, the other two could very well be casting spells with almost no cast time, thus, the templar would need to avoid both of their attacks, AND reach them and swing whatever. In ranged combat, the aiming would mean they're a sitting duck for the 2 mages' spells

OP, I'm not sure what your actual point of this thread is, besides, "mages are powerful, templars are weaksh!t." You are clearly pro-mage, and possibly even anti-templar, especially by the fact that you referred to mages as "we" rather than "they." If you want to talk realism with spells, you'd have to be hit by one first. For all you know (well, for all people with a brain know) an arishok could be powerful enough to survive a mage's spell, and still keep fighting.

[HiroVoid]

Orian Tabris wrote...
OP, I'm not sure what your actual point of this thread is, besides, "mages are powerful, templars are weaksh!t." You are clearly pro-mage, and possibly even anti-templar, especially by the fact that you referred to mages as "we" rather than "they." If you want to talk realism with spells, you'd have to be hit by one first. For all you know (well, for all people with a brain know) an arishok could be powerful enough to survive a mage's spell, and still keep fighting.

Can't remember the details, but I think there was that time Maric defeated the first enchanter in one of the novels by beheading him after getting through a lightning spell.....and he wasn't even a templar.

[Conduit0]

darkchief10 wrote...

Bobba fett was able to go toe to toe with darth vader and would have killed him if hadn't felt it would have been inconvenient to become enemies with sidious. so yeah:whistle:

No he didn't, and no he could not. The expanded universe isn't canon and anyone who references it in an attempt to prove a point should be slapped silly.


On topic: Though a Templar's abilities make them better suited to fighting mages then a normal person, they still have limitations, they can resist magic, but they can't out right stop it, a fireball to the face will kill a Templar same as anyone else. The Chantry kept the Mages inline through indoctrination, the mages are raised from young children to believe that challenging a Templar is suicide, so most won't even try to fight back, even when in reality they are significantly more powerful than their oppressors.

Modifié par Conduit0, 31 janvier 2014 - 07:51 .

[Orian Tabris]

Realmzmaster wrote...

If mages are so powerful why hasn't Tevinter beaten the Qunari and turn them into slaves? Why haven't the mages taken out the dwarves? Could it be that dwarves have a resistance to magic and have a high tolerance to lyrium?
The problem that a mage has is that any spell requires time to cast. In that time a templar will close any distance between the templar and the mage which can mean one dead mage. Or an archer will loose an arrow. So who will be faster the archer or the mage? My bet is on the archer.

What about the rogue templar who can hide in the shadows? How will the mage detect his/her presence before he/she strikes?

I'd like to point out that not all spells have an actual cast time. My bet is on the mage - assuming it is a spell without a cast time, and they know which spell they're casting - because there's no wait time. As for the archer, they'd have to be extremely powerful, able to pull an arrow out of the quiver, put it to the wire/string, and pull on that wire/string. I'm guessing that a properly pulled arrow would be faster than a spell, but not enough to bridge the gap.

[Orian Tabris]

HiroVoid wrote...

Orian Tabris wrote...
OP, I'm not sure what your actual point of this thread is, besides, "mages are powerful, templars are weaksh!t." You are clearly pro-mage, and possibly even anti-templar, especially by the fact that you referred to mages as "we" rather than "they." If you want to talk realism with spells, you'd have to be hit by one first. For all you know (well, for all people with a brain know) an arishok could be powerful enough to survive a mage's spell, and still keep fighting.

Can't remember the details, but I think there was that time Maric defeated the first enchanter in one of the novels by beheading him after getting through a lightning spell.....and he wasn't even a templar.

Indeed. A templar specialises in combatting mages, but any skilled fighter (even another mage), could take a mage down by themself. Otherwise, non-templar Wardens and Hawkes - and party - might end up dead. Loghain is an experienced fighter, and he knows that you don't need a grey warden to kill a darkspawn (though he initially missed the lesson on how an archdemon is defeated).

[HiroVoid]

Conduit0 wrote...

darkchief10 wrote...

Bobba fett was able to go toe to toe with darth vader and would have killed him if hadn't felt it would have been inconvenient to become enemies with sidious. so yeah:whistle:

No he didn't, and no he could not. The expanded universe isn't canon and anyone who references it in an attempt to prove a point should be slapped silly.


On topic: Though a Templar's abilities make them better suited to fighting mages then a normal person, they still have limitations, they can resist magic, but they can't out right stop it, a fireball to the face will kill a Templar same as anyone else. The Chantry kept the Mages inline through indoctrination, the mages are raised from young children to believe that challenging a Templar is suicide, so most won't even try to fight back, even when in reality they are significantly more powerful than their oppressors.

My character survived a fireball to the face.

[x-aizen-x]

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

From the Codex: Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic in addition to their formidable combat talents, the templars are uniquely qualified to act as both a foil for apostates - mages who refuse to submit to the authority of the Circle - and a first line of defense against the dark powers of blood mages and abominations.

So answer is yes, the average Templar can beat the average mage 1 on 1.

As a side note, we all know Boba Fett would beat Darth Sidious. And Meredith did nothing even close to Fullmetal Alchemist stuff. 

lol boba fett could beat sidious? ok kid. But all u did here was simply post the purpose of the templar.

[Allan Schumacher]

Could also be a numbers thing.

Probably important to remember that there's a degree of dissonance due to the game being a game and us going with the idea that "getting stabbed with a sword once and dying" wasn't what we were looking for from it.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

x-aizen-x wrote...

LDS Darth Revan wrote...

From the Codex: Armed with the ability to dispel and resist magic in addition to their formidable combat talents, the templars are uniquely qualified to act as both a foil for apostates - mages who refuse to submit to the authority of the Circle - and a first line of defense against the dark powers of blood mages and abominations.

So answer is yes, the average Templar can beat the average mage 1 on 1.

As a side note, we all know Boba Fett would beat Darth Sidious. And Meredith did nothing even close to Fullmetal Alchemist stuff. 

lol boba fett could beat sidious? ok kid. But all u did here was simply post the purpose of the templar.

Why did you repost this, aizen? I answered this already.