Rubios wrote...
>fictional videogame characters with magical aptitudes
>realism
Choose one.
Nuloen wrote...
Realmzmaster wrote...
Tarek wrote...
lol dont be silly
the concept of magic is that it comes from within the mage's "mind" and no one can control other people's minds... except mages, that rock aint stoping until it rests nice and easy on the templars face.... and though a templar can resist auras and spells he cant resist gravity, in the game they tend to ignore some stuff for the sake of story, but if they want to apply the lore of the world in DA, templars are just target practice for true mages.
a templar or any other non magical creature is dead meat when facing a TRUE master of the art, a true mage is considered a mini god in most games/storys lore.... gandlaf, saroman, Davith Fur, Alimixela, Jagar thane, Kael thas...etc
true wizards are usually thousands of years old, versed in magic and knowlege and need armies to defeat them
no crack head in a a tin can is gonna beat a mage that can bedn time and space, hell if the mage is REALLY powerful he will just summon a few fade horrors, or just blood magic the templars brain out from his ass.
You really destroyed your own agrument by mentioning mages and wizards from settings that have nothing to do with the DA universe. [/b]The OP is talking about mages and templars in the DA universe.
Templars in the DA universe are walking magic off switches.
Casting magic requires concentration. That boulder will never hit if the casters concentration is broken. This is why mages have to invest in combat training otherwise their spells get interrupted if they take damage like an arrow to the eye. Also considering the point that there is no spell that allows the mage to move a boulder of that size in the DA Universe. No mage in DA has telekinesis.
The closest spell is Fist of the Maker by the force mage that pulls enemies downward. There is no magical equivalent to botics (ME) in DA.
just???? but he!!
1. if you will be hit with arrow in eye you would be probably dead(most of kings that died on battlefield died this way)
2.so what isnt in your spell trees doesnt exist in DA?so invisibity doesnt exist in DA?so using parts of human body to make frankenstein like monster isnt possible in DA? and what was that spell that throw tempar against that metal eagle during Last Straw[b]?
3.i was(my character)shot or hit many times in DA:O and DAII and still didnt got interupted while casting
KC_Prototype wrote...
I like peace but when it comes down to it, mages over Templars! Mages are bad ass and have power to destroy the world. Templars are just typical men, always fearing the unknown and magic is very unknown. Also, those are very good drawings of mages, are those concept art? If not, Bioware should surely use those characters and clothing in DA:I.
St. Victorious wrote...
Actually, lets separate combat mechanics from story mechanics for a minute. Combat is flashy and unrealistic in pretty much all games. I'll agree to there being more spells than those you can put into combat as they can only put so much in. And actually there is an entire tree called "Telekinesis" in DAO.
And as we know cutscene deaths are real deaths. Murderknife can instantly put anyone in the grave, but I need to hack something 37 times with a sword my own body weight to end it in combat. Point is, magic is flashy in game, but the mechanics of the story are another thing.
Modifié par Realmzmaster, 01 février 2014 - 09:02 .
And that's because Meredith was close...I like to see a Templar do that at a distance.St. Victorious wrote...
Nuloen wrote...
yes nobody is able to concentrate on spell when he has sword in his chest:lol:(and soul is slowly going to the Fade)St. Victorious wrote...
Tarek wrote...
a templar or any other non magical creature is dead meat when facing a TRUE master of the art, a true mage is considered a mini god in most games/storys lore.... gandlaf, saroman, Davith Fur, Alimixela, Jagar thane, Kael thas...etc
Well you just ended your own argument. This isn't any of those settings. This is Thedas, where there are walking magic off switches. You can't apply the rules of other fiction and expect the results to come out naturally.
Think about the scene in DA2 when Meredith is introduced. A saarabas has a spell in hand, ready to end Hawke for good, then poof, spell gone and sword through chest. This is how it works in Thedas.
The spell dies before the sword is inserted between the rib cage, not after. There's even a moment of confusion before Meredith finishes him.
Rassler wrote...
Details that can be interpreted. I thought a full patrol of grey wardens and dozens of Templars should reach 100.
Also it was a single spell that killed all those people, what do you think would happen if they were prepared? Stab Anders more?
Quote" I don't see myself when I change, only the reflection in their eyes and the sound of their screams. My arm lashes out and silverite doesn't so much break as explode in a shower of molten metal. The sword melts, running down the templars chest, and I follow up with a wave of flames which scorch the flesh from his face, leaving only bone so hot it smolders. The trees are burning… the tent… everything around us."
This is delibirately making fun of Templars and normal warriors, all they learned throughout whole their did not help even the very least bit. They died like sheep.
St. Victorious wrote...
There's no given range for a Templars abilities. You can say "they have to be close" but its a baseless accusation until the devs give us figures. I suspect that its not football fields in distance, but probably greater than right on top of them.
St. Victorious wrote...
Combat abilities aren't accurate. I've already stated that. You may say that but then in the opening scene of DAI Knight Commander Newvillain might snuff the magic of 6 mages 40 yards off.
St. Victorious wrote...
Its not a literal example. Its the point that until the devs say so about range/abilities, nothing can be assumed. Combat is made to be somewhat balanced and if Templars could shut down all mages anywhere on the battlefield at any time then they'd be rendered useless. So they have effective given ranges that may or not not apply outside of combat.
Indeed. Evangeline did it across from a large ballroom from Asunder. I would say it varies, based on the experience of templar, the situation, and the type of magic being blocked/cleansed, and if it's blood magic.St. Victorious wrote...
There's no given range for a Templars abilities. You can say "they have to be close" but its a baseless accusation until the devs give us figures. I suspect that its not football fields in distance, but probably greater than right on top of them.
Modifié par eluvianix, 02 février 2014 - 12:19 .
Realmzmaster wrote...
St. Victorious wrote...
Its not a literal example. Its the point that until the devs say so about range/abilities, nothing can be assumed. Combat is made to be somewhat balanced and if Templars could shut down all mages anywhere on the battlefield at any time then they'd be rendered useless. So they have effective given ranges that may or not not apply outside of combat.
The numbers I quoted are from the Dragon Age wiki and Bioware has given no inclination that those numbers are wrong. The wiki gives measurements for all the spells and/or abilities. So I can only go by the information given.
can templar even stop blood mage? becouse they are using health instead of manaeluvianix wrote...
Indeed. Evangeline did it across from a large ballroom from Asunder. I would say it varies, based on the experience of templar, the situation, and the type of magic being blocked/cleansed, and if it's blood magic.St. Victorious wrote...
There's no given range for a Templars abilities. You can say "they have to be close" but its a baseless accusation until the devs give us figures. I suspect that its not football fields in distance, but probably greater than right on top of them.
Templars can stop blood magic, but that is MUCH harder to do. Evangeline is able to briefly block blood magic laced fire in Asunder, before it overwhelms her. We have no direct evidence on how upper tier blood magic, like blood boiling, demon summoning, or mind control, directly affects templars in the lore.Nuloen wrote...
can templar even stop blood mage? becouse they are using health instead of manaeluvianix wrote...
Indeed. Evangeline did it across from a large ballroom from Asunder. I would say it varies, based on the experience of templar, the situation, and the type of magic being blocked/cleansed, and if it's blood magic.St. Victorious wrote...
There's no given range for a Templars abilities. You can say "they have to be close" but its a baseless accusation until the devs give us figures. I suspect that its not football fields in distance, but probably greater than right on top of them.
Don't forget they are consumed by the hate of 10,000 suns and would like nothing better then to drown mage child and infants by the hundrands. And they would if the chantry didn't need their weapons...I mean mages.Lotion Soronnar wrote...
Wyh cna tempalrs beat mages?
1) They outnumber the mages
2) They are an elite, specailized anti-mage force. Their training and powers are designed around fighting mages. As Alistair said, "against a non-mage, I'm just a guy with a sword"
3) Swords still kill squishy people
4) They can disspell magic and protect themselves from magic
5) Blood magic isn't special - it's just more powerful, thus harder to defend against, but it doesn't completely ignore templar defenses.
6) Templars are organized and motivated.
The Six Path of Pain wrote...
Control space and time??? Am I missing a few codex entries? Last time I checked the Mages in dragon age are very limited when it comes to magic.
thetinyevil wrote...
Don'tLotion Soronnar wrote...
Wyh cna tempalrs beat mages?
1) They outnumber the mages
2)
They are an elite, specailized anti-mage force. Their training and
powers are designed around fighting mages. As Alistair said, "against a
non-mage, I'm just a guy with a sword"
3) Swords still kill squishy people
4) They can disspell magic and protect themselves from magic
5)
Blood magic isn't special - it's just more powerful, thus harder to
defend against, but it doesn't completely ignore templar defenses.
6) Templars are organized and motivated.
forget they are consumed by the hate of 10,000 suns and would like
nothing better then to drown mage child and infants by the hundrands.
And they would if the chantry didn't need their weapons...I mean mages.
Silfren wrote...
Realmzmaster wrote...
St. Victorious wrote...
Its not a literal example. Its the point that until the devs say so about range/abilities, nothing can be assumed. Combat is made to be somewhat balanced and if Templars could shut down all mages anywhere on the battlefield at any time then they'd be rendered useless. So they have effective given ranges that may or not not apply outside of combat.
The numbers I quoted are from the Dragon Age wiki and Bioware has given no inclination that those numbers are wrong. The wiki gives measurements for all the spells and/or abilities. So I can only go by the information given.
Whether or not Bioware has said those numbers are wrong, if those numbers are not cited, they're basically worthless. Nothing on the wiki can be counted on without a source.
Modifié par Realmzmaster, 02 février 2014 - 04:16 .
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