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[Lulupab]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

KiwiQuiche wrote...

'Cause having a bunch of drug-addled religions goons round them up as children, indoctrinating them to how terrible and gross they are and watching them 24/7 seemed like a legit plan for the ****** Chantry.

that's abotu as accurate as calling all mages "evil, immoral sub-humans who delight in suffering and cutting themselves, willingly givie themselves over to demons for power"

That can never be the same for obvious reason. Templars are a faction, they can stop being one at any given time and people can stop joining their ranks. Mages are born mages and they cannot stop being one and more and more people will born mages without any sort of control.

If you need to use a drug that always has a chance to make you go insane even if "cleansed" in safest condition to do something then there has to be something wrong. Remember that templar in front of chantry in Denerim?completely lost it by consuming safe lyrium that others do. Lyrium is a drug, deal with it.

[Lotion Soronarr]

Wyh cna tempalrs beat mages?


1) They outnumber the mages

2) They are an elite, specailized anti-mage force. Their training and powers are designed around fighting mages. As Alistair said, "against a non-mage, I'm just a guy with a sword"

3) Swords still kill squishy people

4) They can disspell magic and protect themselves from magic

5) Blood magic isn't special - it's just more powerful, thus harder to defend against, but it doesn't completely ignore templar defenses.

6) Templars are organized and motivated.

[CybAnt1]

Magic? Realism? Can those two words go together?

Magic realism. Well, I guess they do, as a literary genre.

I guess we could invite Gabriel Garcia Marquez to help out the DA writing team.

[Lulupab]

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Modifié par Rassler, 31 janvier 2014 - 01:39 .

[Anvos]

DA2 actually answered this somewhere I think,

In the White Divine the chantry was oppressing a mostly civilian group who had no power beyond being mages and then convinced them and the rest of the mob that magic is dangerous and outside the tower you'd face persecution just for being a mage.

Also Templars seem stronger than they are since mages in the white divine unlike Tevintar have forgotten there is a slurry of hybrid abilities they can learn such as the arcane warrior that make them less squishy and able to do magic with a weapon instead of staff.  Plus a lot of the trees that were banned from teaching include ones like shape shifting which allows mages to turn themselves into beings more suited for melee.

Modifié par Anvos, 31 janvier 2014 - 01:48 .

[Lulupab]

Lotion Soronnar wrote...

Wyh cna tempalrs beat mages?


1) They outnumber the mages

2) They are an elite, specailized anti-mage force. Their training and powers are designed around fighting mages. As Alistair said, "against a non-mage, I'm just a guy with a sword"

3) Swords still kill squishy people

4) They can disspell magic and protect themselves from magic

5) Blood magic isn't special - it's just more powerful, thus harder to defend against, but it doesn't completely ignore templar defenses.

6) Templars are organized and motivated.

Anders' short story should Answer all your questions. A full patrol of templars and greywardens, all organized and motivated, trained to defeat abominations and brood mothers, equipped to the teeth got obliterated and turned into blood and bone in a single spell that Anders cast. War can change people and except to see more like Anders in coming war. If a rebel moody mage with a help of a spirit can kill 100 people with single spell I shudder to think what'll happen if 200 mages do the same.

[KaiserShep]

Starsyn wrote...

I'll just let my favorite dwarf say it for me:

If only more of them were like Varric. Thedas would be a much better place.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Anders was an Abomination, which we already know a single one is powerful enough to kill entire squads of Templars, or take over a tower full of mages...

[Lulupab]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Anders was an Abomination, which we already know a single one is powerful enough to kill entire squads of Templars, or take over a tower full of mages...

More importantly he did not mindlessly plotted to kill Templars, Anders was merely defending himself. "Abominations" like Anders are much more dangerous and useful for the war as they are not mindlessly looking for more power for themselves and are more focused on the cause. Also they can strategize and engage in activities that are otherwise possible for other abominations.

Modifié par Rassler, 31 janvier 2014 - 01:53 .

[Jaison1986]

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Anders was an Abomination, which we already know a single one is powerful enough to kill entire squads of Templars, or take over a tower full of mages...

You are oversimplifying Anders. An abomination is an mindless monster of flesh that goes on killing sprees and will never recover, while Anders can regain his mind if his will is strong enough.

[The Elder King]

Rassler wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Anders was an Abomination, which we already know a single one is powerful enough to kill entire squads of Templars, or take over a tower full of mages...

More importantly he did not mindlessly plotted to kill Templars, Anders was merely defending himself. "Abominations" like Anders are much more dangerous and useful for the war as they are not mindlessly looking for more power for themselves and are more focused on the cause. Also they can strategize and engage in activities that are otherwise possible for other abominations.

You're assuming that there'll be mages (in your example, hundreds of them) who would merge with spirits. You have no way to know that. 
Other than the fact that it's extremely dangerous, since the spirits can be corrupted (and I really doubt that during the war they'll have the same chances of Anders to control themselves, not to mention that Anders needed the help of another person to have a chance to control it), you're assuming that mages know what Anders was and that they'll try it.

[Veruin]

Jaison1986 wrote...

You are oversimplifying Anders. An abomination is an mindless monster of flesh that goes on killing sprees and will never recover, while Anders can regain his mind if his will is strong enough.

If you're possessed by a spirit, you're technically an abomination.  That goes for Wynne too.

[Br3admax]

Veruin wrote...

Jaison1986 wrote...

You are oversimplifying Anders. An abomination is an mindless monster of flesh that goes on killing sprees and will never recover, while Anders can regain his mind if his will is strong enough.

If you're possessed by a spirit, you're technically an abomination.  That goes for Wynne too.

Proof that Wynne was possessed. Having a spirit inside you doesn't make you possessed. As to the definition of an abomination, this is true however, but only if you're a mage. 

[The Elder King]

Jaison1986 wrote...

EmperorSahlertz wrote...

Anders was an Abomination, which we already know a single one is powerful enough to kill entire squads of Templars, or take over a tower full of mages...

You are oversimplifying Anders. An abomination is an mindless monster of flesh that goes on killing sprees and will never recover, while Anders can regain his mind if his will is strong enough.

Not true. Anders didn't regain control when he was about to kill Ella because of his will, but because of Hawke. And ultimately he was able to control Justice (which we actually don't know if it's actual control. Justice could be willing to let Anders be in control because he came to agree to its extreme methods) on friendship path thanks to Hawke. Without Hawke, he could've likely lose.

[Lulupab]

Its safe to assume with veil tear more spirits are willing to aid mages, especially spirits of Justice who may think like the justice we know did. Mages are in injustice.

[Veruin]

Br3ad wrote...

Proof that Wynne was possessed. Having a spirit inside you doesn't make you possessed. As to the definition of an abomination, this is true however, but only if you're a mage. 

Well, she isn't possessed, in the typical fashion, but I'm not really sure what to label her.

Rassler wrote...

Its safe to assume with veil tear more spirits are willing to aid mages, especially spirits of Justice who may think like the justice we know did. Mages are in injustice.

In your opinion.  Also, considering that Justice said that spirits have no interest in the mortal world, what makes you think they would even cross over/make contact in the first place?  Did mages get Aquaman's powers and can summon them with thoughts now?

Modifié par Veruin, 31 janvier 2014 - 02:45 .

[General TSAR]

Rassler wrote...

Its safe to assume with veil tear more spirits are willing to aid mages, especially spirits of Justice who may think like the justice we know did. Mages are in injustice.

And spirits of Duty will aid the Templars.

Duty always triumphs over Justice. 

But of course, this won't happen because most spirits don't care about mortals.

Modifié par General TSAR, 31 janvier 2014 - 02:45 .

[Lulupab]

General TSAR wrote...

Rassler wrote...

Its safe to assume with veil tear more spirits are willing to aid mages, especially spirits of Justice who may think like the justice we know did. Mages are in injustice.

And spirits of Duty will aid the Templars.

Duty always triumphs over Justice. 

There is no evidence (yet) that spirits of duty exist, nor if duty is a good enough emotion to have its own spirit.

Modifié par Rassler, 31 janvier 2014 - 02:45 .

[Hellion Rex]

Oi vei. I leave for one night, and this is what I come back too...

[Hellion Rex]

Allan Schumacher wrote...

Could also be a numbers thing.

Probably important to remember that there's a degree of dissonance due to the game being a game and us going with the idea that "getting stabbed with a sword once and dying" wasn't what we were looking for from it.

Holy hell, Allan still lives!!!!! We missed you!!!!

[Lulupab]

Veruin wrote...
In your opinion.  Also, considering that Justice said that spirits have no interest in the mortal world, what makes you think they would even cross over/make contact in the first place?  Did mages get Aquaman's powers and can summon them with thoughts now?

Almost global veil tear is reason enough for spirits to start caring. It is all speculation of course but its as good as any until something is revealed. DA2 has a spirit as major character, DAA has a spirit as a major character, Asunder deals with spirits both major and minor. I'm guessing we will hear/see a lot about spirits in DA:I. Spirits will play a determining role just as demons will.

[General TSAR]

Rassler wrote...

There is no evidence (yet) that spirits of duty exist, nor if duty is a good enough emotion to have its own spirit.

Good enough emotion?

Valor is a adequate enough emotion to have its own spirit (one that even looks like a Templar), I don't see why Duty can't. 

Modifié par General TSAR, 31 janvier 2014 - 02:51 .

[Wothen]

 Sure mages are powerful, afterall if they weren't there wouldn't be a need for control
But they are not gods walking among mere man either, they can die from a wound, a stab, exhaustion not to mention that tapping into that godly powers you mention would kill most mages in the process 
Not to mention that, being an anomaly in society, mages are much less numerous than dirty peasants

Anyway, im just tired of these mages vs templar posts, I just want to kill both

[CybAnt1]

They've said they are adding more types of demons, and the Fade seems to be oddly balanced, so if there are going to be more than 5 types of demons, there will be more than 5 types of spirits. 

We know what kinds of demons they're thinking of adding, we WILL see a new type in Inquisition, no word on spirits. 

[Veruin]

Rassler wrote...
Almost global veil tear is reason enough for spirits to start caring. It is all speculation of course but its as good as any until something is revealed. DA2 has a spirit as major character, DAA has a spirit as a major character, Asunder deals with spirits both major and minor. I'm guessing we will hear/see a lot about spirits in DA:I. Spirits will play a determining role just as demons will.

If they don't care about the mortal world, why would they care what happens to the veil?

DA2 and DAA "major" spirit characters are the same character..so not sure what you're trying to accomplush.